Can India invade and conquer Pakistan?

Is India powerful enough to invade and conquer Pakistan

lancelot wrote:

Cinderblock108 wrote:Is India powerful enough to invade and conquer Pakistan

Even if they did how would they pacify the riots which would happen afterwards? The whole reason Pakistan broke off from India in the first place was because it had a Muslim majority vs Hindu majority India. You would get funding to dissidents from all sorts of Arab nations everywhere. Plus Pakistan has nukes, and China is basically their ally. China shares a border with both and could easily come to Pakistan's aid if it really came to it. Although I think they would stick to material support unless it became really dire.

Besides the Kashmir region conflict, why do they hate each other, again?

This whole thing goes back to the times of the Mughals and whatever. When the British left the Indian subcontinent, things went back to the times they were before them. Or tried to. Because before the British, it was the Muslim Mughals who dominated India

Pakistan is a nation which defines itself according to Islam and as a defender of Muslims, not according to its ethnic makeup. India is always worried that Pakistan can incite discontent and separatism within it, with Kashmir being the frontier, but if Kashmir is given up, then Pakistani influence can extend further, and inevitably will attempt to.

I don't think Pakistan itself is purposefully expansionist as such, it's just a consequence of how it defines itself as a nation. Which in turn is also unavoidable otherwise it could itself break up according to ethnic lines. More than anything in regard to the Pashtuns. The Pashtuns in the north were never happy about the Durand line defining the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan as it divided them as a people. Pakistan in turn has always tried to export Islamism to Afghanistan since the later's king was deposed so that that country has a unifying ideology with Pakistan itself and there won't be any problems for it.

So everyone is kind of a hostage of circumstances.

flamming_python wrote:This whole thing goes back to the times of the Mughals and whatever. When the British left the Indian subcontinent, things went back to the times they were before them. Or tried to. Because before the British, it was the Muslim Mughals who dominated India

Pakistan is a nation which defines itself according to Islam and as a defender of Muslims, not according to its ethnic makeup. India is always worried that Pakistan can incite discontent and separatism within it, with Kashmir being the frontier, but if Kashmir is given up, then Pakistani influence can extend further, and inevitably will attempt to.

I don't think Pakistan itself is purposefully expansionist as such, it's just a consequence of how it defines itself as a nation. Which in turn is also unavoidable otherwise it could itself break up according to ethnic lines. More than anything in regard to the Pashtuns. The Pashtuns in the north were never happy about the Durand line defining the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan as it divided them as a people. Pakistan in turn has always tried to export Islamism to Afghanistan since the later's king was deposed so that that country has a unifying ideology with Pakistan itself and there won't be any problems for it.

So everyone is kind of a hostage of circumstances.

I'm assuming you don't have much experience working Pakistanis. Most of them are diehard fanatics. All you read is calling Hindus "piss drinkers" regarding how cow pee is drank (not often).

Muslims were not native to Hindustan/Bharat. That all came from Muslim conquest. Add in the "mountain of skulls" and burying non Muslims in the walls they built, I would say the Indians (Hindus and Sikhs) have every right not to trust them. Pakistan consists of what is more or less rape babies and forced converted.

When Ghandi gave up ancestral land to make a "land for muslims", he willing let others stay which later started to make more problems. Give an inch, take a mile.

You can even see how former Hindu land becomes Muslim and its forced. Indonesia is such an example. Fears in India is well justified as they fear their culture will be wiped out entirely - a culture over 6k years old.

Pakistan is definitely expansionist. They tried with Iranian territory, they successfully done it to Afghanista territory and Belochistan is fighting for independence. Just look at East Pakistan (Bangladesh). That was rather very recent when it became a country. They fought for independence against Pakistan. Yet these same people (Bangladeshies) try their luck in Myanmar and cry foul when the Bhuddists fought back.

Theoretically if they really commit to the project it would be doable

But it would be costly as hell and definitely not worth the blood and treasure

Pakistan has nuks so no.

Cinderblock108 wrote:Is India powerful enough to invade and conquer Pakistan

No! If India tries to do that then Arab nations will support Pakistan and more importantly China will get directly involved. India can't fight against China. China's economy is 5x that of India's.

Already China has drawn up plans to carve out several smaller countries out of India.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-should-disintegrate-india-strategist-399631

Why would India want Pakistan? Pakistan is a bigger shithole than India.

The Pakistani economy is in the gutter.

jhelb wrote:

Cinderblock108 wrote:Is India powerful enough to invade and conquer Pakistan

No! If India tries to do that then Arab nations will support Pakistan and more importantly China will get directly involved. India can't fight against China. China's economy is 5x that of India's.

Already China has drawn up plans to carve out several smaller countries out of India.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-should-disintegrate-india-strategist-399631

That's like, an article from 2009

No-one's demented enough to seriously consider such a plan in Beijing

I will judge this.
India is a shithole big enough, to have no need for another shithole.

All these white western people casting judgements on India... I have friends who visited India and had a good time... had a friend who visited London and got her throat cut in the street outside her apartment.

Obviously you people are heathens if you like to throw stones so much...

The fundamental premise is totally ignorant of the situation anyway... Pakistan and Bangledesh (East Pakistan) and India are separate countries for lots of very clear and concrete reasons.... creating chaos in all three countries to join them up makes no sense at all and would be like the British demanding direct rule over all her former colonies like New Zealand and Australia and Canada and the US of A... to which we would all tell them to **** off.

India mopped the floor with Pakistan in the couple of wars they fought so my money's on India. Doubly so, because India also gave us a surprisingly excellent Yennefer. Jai Hind!

flamming_python wrote:That's like, an article from 2009

No-one's demented enough to seriously consider such a plan in Beijing

The Chinese do long time planning. Last year they invaded India and India couldn't do a thing.

So if they have said that in 2009 that's what they are planning. This would be a good thing. Pakistan needs to be disintegrated too.

miketheterrible wrote:

flamming_python wrote:This whole thing goes back to the times of the Mughals and whatever. When the British left the Indian subcontinent, things went back to the times they were before them. Or tried to. Because before the British, it was the Muslim Mughals who dominated India

Pakistan is a nation which defines itself according to Islam and as a defender of Muslims, not according to its ethnic makeup. India is always worried that Pakistan can incite discontent and separatism within it, with Kashmir being the frontier, but if Kashmir is given up, then Pakistani influence can extend further, and inevitably will attempt to.

I don't think Pakistan itself is purposefully expansionist as such, it's just a consequence of how it defines itself as a nation. Which in turn is also unavoidable otherwise it could itself break up according to ethnic lines. More than anything in regard to the Pashtuns. The Pashtuns in the north were never happy about the Durand line defining the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan as it divided them as a people. Pakistan in turn has always tried to export Islamism to Afghanistan since the later's king was deposed so that that country has a unifying ideology with Pakistan itself and there won't be any problems for it.

So everyone is kind of a hostage of circumstances.

I'm assuming you don't have much experience working Pakistanis.  Most of them are diehard fanatics.  All you read is calling Hindus "piss drinkers" regarding how cow pee is drank (not often).

Muslims were not native to Hindustan/Bharat. That all came from Muslim conquest. Add in the "mountain of skulls" and burying non Muslims in the walls they built, I would say the Indians (Hindus and Sikhs) have every right not to trust them. Pakistan consists of what is more or less rape babies and forced converted.

When Ghandi gave up ancestral land to make a "land for muslims", he willing let others stay which later started to make more problems.  Give an inch, take a mile.

You can even see how former Hindu land becomes Muslim and its forced. Indonesia is such an example.  Fears in India is well justified as they fear their culture will be wiped out entirely - a culture over 6k years old.

Pakistan is definitely expansionist. They tried with Iranian territory, they successfully done it to Afghanista  territory and Belochistan is fighting for independence.  Just look at East Pakistan (Bangladesh). That was rather very recent when it became a country. They fought for independence against Pakistan. Yet these same people (Bangladeshies) try their luck in Myanmar and cry foul when the Bhuddists fought back.

Muslims are cowards and hypocrites. They have been hating on Israel and delegitimizing it for 70 years, yet aren't saying a peep when it comes to China's treatment of its Uighurs. Egypt is even aiding and abetting China in repatriating Uighurs back to China.

lancelot wrote:

Cinderblock108 wrote:Is India powerful enough to invade and conquer Pakistan

Even if they did how would they pacify the riots which would happen afterwards? The whole reason Pakistan broke off from India in the first place was because it had a Muslim majority vs Hindu majority India. You would get funding to dissidents from all sorts of Arab nations everywhere. Plus Pakistan has nukes, and China is basically their ally. China shares a border with both and could easily come to Pakistan's aid if it really came to it. Although I think they would stick to material support unless it became really dire.

India's military is much larger than that of Pakistan and it has almost 5 times as many people, though

Moose wrote:

lancelot wrote:

Cinderblock108 wrote:Is India powerful enough to invade and conquer Pakistan

Even if they did how would they pacify the riots which would happen afterwards? The whole reason Pakistan broke off from India in the first place was because it had a Muslim majority vs Hindu majority India. You would get funding to dissidents from all sorts of Arab nations everywhere. Plus Pakistan has nukes, and China is basically their ally. China shares a border with both and could easily come to Pakistan's aid if it really came to it. Although I think they would stick to material support unless it became really dire.

India's military is much larger than that of Pakistan and it has almost 5 times as many people, though

During the Kargil war, India kept losing outposts due to running out of ammunition and having to retreat. Issue was bad then with different guns taking different ammunition. Situation is worst now with all different types of guns in service with different calibers.