Project 885: Yasen class #2

Arrow wrote:Why do you think Tgey don't want to?  Every country would like to dominate.  There is simply no strength or resources to do it.

Dominating is very unwise and anti-economical. It drains power without limits, it forces to fight everyone everywhere instead of picking your fights. The goal is deterrence of potential enemies, not their submission. At least by now that is the case, if they reach a de facto dominant military position, the temptation to use it will grow, of course.

Because the financial burden of having to build and operate 12 aircraft carrier groups with 12 CVNs and probably 3-4 cruisers per CVN and another 4-6 destroyers for each carrier group plus extra SSNs and SSGNs to operate with those carrier groups would bankrupt most countries... but even if they managed to achieve this level of production and operational performance... what do they do?

Just sail around doing fuck all to help Russia and just look big and powerful.

Not every country would want to dominate because the costs are too high and the return is pride... while your people are living like a third world country to pay for all these new ships you don't really need.

Pissing away too much money on your military leads to what America has become... having to create wars to justify your existence... dirty.

Arrow wrote:

GarryB wrote:

Russia does not need to dominate... they don't .

Why do you think Tgey don't want to?  Every country would like to dominate.  There is simply no strength or resources to do it.

It is more complex than that.

The top dog get the cream of profit of all global transaction, means he get money for little effort.

This worth lot to keep.

In the past 80 years the USA played "whos the chicken" with everyone, when there was a confrontation he signaled the will to obliterate big part of the manking (and third of all USA citizen) in a global nuclear war.

Soon a country will call this bluff.

Source: the first serial submarine of the project 885m "Novosibirsk" will be handed over to the Navy at the end of 2021

Before that, the submarine must complete factory sea trials and pass state tests.

MOSCOW, March 9. /TASS/. The first serial nuclear submarine of project 885m code Yasen-M Novosibirsk will be delivered to the Russian Navy at the end of 2021. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.

"The nuclear submarine will be handed over to the fleet in the fourth quarter of 2021. Before that, Novosibirsk must complete its factory sea trials and pass state tests, " the source said. According to him, during the state tests, the submarine will perform launches of onyx and Kalibr-PL missiles.

TASS has no official confirmation of this information.

Thus, this year the shipbuilders of Sevmash (part of the United shipbuilding Corporation) are preparing to transfer the lead submarine of project 885m Kazan and the first serial submarine Novosibirsk to the Russian Navy. The company has six more submarines of this project in various stages of construction.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/10857839

Russian shipbuilders to float out 2nd Yasen-M-class nuclear-powered sub in August

https://tass.com/defense/1265251

George1 wrote:Russian shipbuilders to float out 2nd Yasen-M-class nuclear-powered sub in August

https://tass.com/defense/1265251

3rd 885M, not 2nd. Novisibirsk was 2nd 885M, Kazan was 1st.

https://flotprom.ru/2021/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%8813/

owais.usmani wrote:

George1 wrote:Russian shipbuilders to float out 2nd Yasen-M-class nuclear-powered sub in August

https://tass.com/defense/1265251

3rd 885M, not 2nd. Novisibirsk was 2nd 885M, Kazan was 1st.

https://flotprom.ru/2021/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%8813/

Correct, but it's the second serially produced 885M unit.

It is more complex than that.

The top dog get the cream of profit of all global transaction, means he get money for little effort.

This worth lot to keep.

Lets be honest... the US and the west have dominated a lot of markets and the fluid you call cream is more accurately described as blood.

Russia does not need to destroy the west and steal her resource markets.... she just needs to present herself as a viable and much safer alternative trade partner that wont brutalise you when it suits.

Russia doesn't need to dominate the entire world at once... just open and free trade... for which the west is no longer competitive, which is why they needed the monopoly to start with.

GarryB wrote:
Russia does not need to destroy the west and steal her resource markets.... she just needs to present herself as a viable and much safer alternative trade partner that wont brutalise you when it suits.

And just what do you think that will do?

Like it or not the west is essentially the international economy... if it breaks and the rules are totally ignored then you have chaos for everyone... which is a nightmare for small countries and instability for bigger ones which is not good for growth and development.

Russia can play by western rules without playing with the west... the system is broken in favour of the US and EU but that only matters if you have a lot of trade with them and thanks to sanctions and attempts at isolation Russia does not have a lot of trade with the west now.

Russia trading with the rest of the world will allow development and growth for both parties... better standard of living and improvements all round... but Russia needs to be strong and mobile enough to ensure the west can't or wont do anything to stop them.

Russia is not the worlds police and is not obliged to save any country from anyone or anything.

Yasen is part of a military system that can go most places and have an impact if needed, but they also need to show the flag... the Yasen is an assassin... they either sit and observe or kill and disappear. A group of ships that can turn up carrying the equivalent of dozens of S-400 and S-500 and S-350 batteries as well as hundreds of TOR and Pantsir batteries as well as A-100 and 50 x Su-57 fighters then that is something everyone has to respect and be wary of... especially with Kh-101 and Zircon etc weapons as well.

Russia’s latest Yasen-M subs to get capability to salvo-launch cruise missiles

The nuclear-powered submarine Kazan made a salvo launch of two missiles from a vertical launcher and a torpedo tube during state trials, according to a source

https://tass.com/defense/1280259

George1 wrote:Russia’s latest Yasen-M subs to get capability to salvo-launch cruise missiles

The nuclear-powered submarine Kazan made a salvo launch of two missiles from a vertical launcher and a torpedo tube during state trials, according to a source

https://tass.com/defense/1280259

A Kalibr-PL cruise missile was fired from a vertical launcher against a coastal target while an Oniks missile was launched from a torpedo tube against a surface target.

Interesting. If true, this is a confirmation that Yasen-M has torp tubes larger than 533mm. Oniks however has a 0.7m dia, so would be too large for even 650mm tubes.

Either TASS is wrong (again) or else the Yasen-M has larger torpedo tubes that can handle UKSK-standard ordnance. IMHO its another stuff-up by some idiot TASS journo.

The lead Project 885M Kazan nuclear-powered submarine will be provisionally turned over to the Russian Navy on May 7, a source in the defense industry told TASS.

https://tass.com/defense/1286007

Provisionally?

Kazan on tour

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Singular_Transform wrote:

Isos wrote:You should stop drugs.

And why do you use 2 accounts ?

re much smaller than the Yasen:

Displacement: Submerged: 7,900 metric tons (8,700 short tons)

Complement: 135 (15 officers; 120 enlisted)

The Yasen specs are:

Displacement:

Surfaced: 8,600 tons


Complement:

  Yasen: 85
  Yasen-M: 64

The Yasen is clearly more automated than the smaller Virginia.   Using the Virginia pricing, a proper model built by the USA
would cost more than $5 billion per unit.

Wow. The Yasen is a bigger sub and it has an 85 person crew. The Vergina has a 135 person crew. 

That is just shit for the Verginia. Just imagine it was the other way around. Everyone would say that Russia is a generation behind. 

So let's say the US is a generation behind. They still dont have auto loaders. Russian subs had them 2 generations ago. 

A smaller crew is less complications. Less human error. Less work for the air system.And food is the limiting range factor. How could there not be a noise dividend for having a smaller crew too ? Less meals to cook. Less dishes to wash. Less toilet flushes.

Backman wrote:
Wow. The Yasen is a bigger sub and it has an 85 person crew. The Vergina has a 135 person crew. 

That is just shit for the Verginia. Just imagine it was the other way around. Everyone would say that Russia is a generation behind. 

So let's say the US is a generation behind. They still dont have auto loaders. Russian subs had them 2 generations ago. 

A smaller crew is less complications. Less human error. Less work for the air system.And food is the limiting range factor. How could there not be a noise dividend for having a smaller crew too ? Less meals to cook. Less dishes to wash. Less toilet flushes.

Everyone missing the biggest point: if the crew is minimal, and everything is automated, then you can close down and overpresurise the egnineering sections, decrease the hull thicknes in those sections, and increase around the crew section.
It means the sub can dive way deeper than could be calculated from the average hull thickness.

Yasen M has only 64 crew.

Submarine missile cruiser "Kazan" joined the Navy

The Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov, expressed confidence that the crew of the Kazan will strengthen Russia's defense capability with dignity and high quality.

MOSCOW, May 7. /TASS/. The nuclear-powered submarine missile cruiser Kazan (project Yasen-M) has been accepted into the Russian Navy. This was reported to journalists on Friday in the Russian Defense Ministry.

"Today in Severodvinsk at the Sevmash enterprise under the leadership of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov, a solemn ceremony of accepting the fourth-generation nuclear-powered submarine cruiser (APC) Kazan of the Yasen-M project was held. On the flagpole of the submarine, the St. Andrew's flag was raised, which the commander-in - chief handed to the commander of the Kazan agro-industrial complex, Captain of the 1st rank Alexander Beketov in a solemn atmosphere, "the military department said.

At the ceremony, the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy expressed confidence that the crew of the Kazan will strengthen Russia's defense capability with dignity and high quality.

The lead submarine of Project 885M (Yasen-M) Kazan was launched on March 31, 2017. On September 25, 2018, it entered factory sea trials. The main strike armament of the Project 885 / 885M submarines is Onyx and Kalibr cruise missiles, and in the future, hypersonic Zircons.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11321447

The most potent SSGN/SSN on the planet is finally in service! Ура!

Now we just need another 6-8 laid down, and metal bent for the 1st hull of the Husky class, with another 14-19 to follow

Arrow wrote:Yasen M has only 64 crew.

I seen that. Wasn't sure if I was reading it right. That's half the men of a Verginia.

Hole wrote:

What is the that ship in the 2nd pic in the right corner behind the sub?