Talking bollocks thread #3

Arrow wrote:The US has been printing the dollar for many years and is still the largest military power in the world. They keep superpower status all the time.

All currencies are printed but there is a way to do that. You don't print 300 trillions for a virus when your country is in quarantine and most of people don't work.

Isos wrote:

Arrow wrote:The US has been printing the dollar for many years and is still the largest military power in the world. They keep superpower status all the time.

All currencies are printed but there is a way to do that. You don't print 300 trillions for a virus when your country is in quarantine and most of people don't work.

Correct, you do it when you want an excuse to print money and throw it at (your campaign donors in) Wall Street for near zero interest so the top 0.01% can continue to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else.  It's a massive (and transparent) scam but the stupid peons of the US public bend and take it up the arse every... single... time...  and never get wiser.

Anyhow, we are way

Mods suck at holding this site. I've been suspended for lot less worst shit than arrows blatant trolling. And if he isn't trolling, he is a good representation of an American - retarded.

You were suspended from memory for your bad language and after being told to stop it by a mod you continued.

Arrow is asking questions and making statements. Stupid questions and stupid statements, but neither is against the rules and when told by a mod to stop doing something he does it... that is why he hasn't been given any breaks to my knowledge.

And that is how it works here... do as you are told by a mod and you wont get banned... temporary or longer term.

Do you think it would be better if everyone posted something and everyone else agreed... no discussion, no disagreement, no problems... you'd leave because it was boring.

So there you go... if you don't approve of what he says and can't be bothered discussing it then just think of him as the entertainment and put him on your ignore list.

COVID19 tread is now is nothing but Vann and Tsavo sucking each other off with their conspiracy spam walls and mods don't even give a shit

Well I have not been reading it, but then I stopped reading Vanns stuff a while ago, what do you expect me to do... tell them to only post stuff I agree with? Don't discuss anything or post evidence to support it? Which rule should I be quoting when giving them their temporary bans?

You might not believe it but I don't like giving bans... I only do it when forced and they are no where near forcing me.

I've been wanting to post news about pandemic for several days now but it's pointless to waste effort on that digital rectum

Create your own thread that says no conspiracy theories about the origin of the virus being discussed in the new thread... any so called spam from these two or anyone else and you can ask me to move it to the other thread... which I will do with warnings to those not following the thread scope. Send a PM to George the reason for the new thread so he doesn't merge your new thread with the old one... Corona is a big deal... I think we can stretch to two threads about it...


Or PD and Mike you can just bitch and moan in other threads hoping it might happen by accident?

Perhaps you would be happier with Mod performance if you followed normal procedure and instead of posting bitchy comments about the mods not magically knowing what sand is in your vaginas at the moment and solving the problem... perhaps you could send a quick PM to me and we could discuss it in private.

Instead you say all mods don't give a shit or we suck...

Makes it pretty clear who actually isn't following the rules and behaving... perhaps that explains why you both eventually got time outs...

In future for your reference, Mods respond to direct requests and direct complaints via PM preferably, not littered through the thousands of posts on this forum.

We are not lazy and do care about this forum, and if I wanted to I could simply say Mike and PD... both disrespecting Mods by saying we are lazy and we such 5 day break from the forum. I have a choice and I choose not to do that. Push me like you did last time and you did last time and it will happen.

That is how it works here... I think I am being reasonable and would prefer this discussion went on via PM but I guess it does not hurt for everyone to see my views on bans. I remember MP.net where you could get a ban for saying not very nice things about president bush jnr. On Keypub forums I was banned for reporting someone for trolling.  I don't think it is bad here in comparison.

Enough off topic.

GarryB

Printing trillions of dollars is the best way to kill the dollar. The currency has no value if everyone has his pockets full of 100$ in cash. No one will work anymore and the economy will collapse.

Arrow thinks it is a strength, but any normal person knows it is a weakness, and could destroy their economy...

Either way... these ships will be built... I am quite looking forward to what they look like and what their balance is.

Arrow wrote:The US has been printing the dollar for many years and is still the largest military power in the world. They keep superpower status all the time.

It is not the "U.S." that prints the money - it is the Federal Reserve, a private banking cartel only subject in theory to congressional oversight. The U.S. constitution explicitly reserves such rights to the U.S. government, but way back in 1913 the London bankers and their pals in the U.S. pulled a fast one - calling a vote during Christmas recess to ram through enabling legislation for a scheme finalized at the infamous conference on Jekyll Island. The U.S. imperial system is simply the continuation of the British system post-WWII without all the overt 19th century trappings of Empire. It is at its heart a monetary system of control.

This is a good read about US geography in its rise as a world power as well as its foreign policy goals in preventing another power to challenge it.

https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/geopolitics-united-states-part-1-inevitable-empire

Australia and Antarctica r the 5th & 6th continents, not islands.

They are both.

If they were islands, geography text books wouldn't call Australia & Antarctica "continents". They sit on continental plates & were once part of Gondwana. India was also part of it & now Indostan is a subcontinent attached to Eurasia- which is the so-called World Island, but not a real island:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History#The_World-Island_and_the_Heartland

Likewise, the double continent of America is on 2 continental plates & is surrounded by water, but it's too big to be called an island.
Greenland is surrounded by water & shares a continental plate with N. America.
Therefore, it's an island.

It's a entirely artificial and clumsy distinction. Australia and Antarctica are clearly islands in a morphological sense. A landmass doesn't cease to be completely surrounded by water simply because it is large. I think this arbitrary caveat has been imposed simply because EVERY continent is in fact an island given that the Earths Oceans are wholly contiguous and unbounded by land masses.

Its fair say we are well into territory now

Hole wrote:Something sinister is going on down there! VVP wants to annex Antarctica!
   

No, Tom Cotton says Evil Vlad the Impaler wants to subjugate the Eskimos, steal their oil & lithium, and build listening posts and nuclear weapon bases, and we all know that unhinged Neo-con water-boys are never wrong....

Yes, I know that the Inuit don't live in Antartica, but shhhhh... don't tell Tom. It will only confuse him.

Any continent has several climatic & time zones, has shores on different oceans & big differences in elevation levels.  
Africa & Eurasia were connected before being separated by the Suez Canal- so they were not islands even in the conventional sense.
The rest of continents can be called "island continents" but that doesn't make them true islands like Tasmania, Iceland, Greenland, Cuba, Madagaskar, Taiwan, etc.
W/o its ice sheet, Antarctica would be 2 large islands:
https://www.nsf.gov/pubs/1997/antpanel/3enviro.htm

The Caspian & Aral seas r in fact lakes; the Azov Sea was called Meotian Lake in ancient times.
The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name ~ Confucius

You have to look at the tectonic plate morphology. Think of the crust as scum on top of the water of a relatively slowly boiling
pot. There are upwelling regions and downwelling regions that order the scum such that it accumulates over the descending
regions. Continents are accumulation of crustal material in this fashion over the two-layer boiling mantle. The mantle is
in a state of convection driven both by the core-mantle boundary temperature (several thousand degrees) and raidio-active
decay heating inside the mantle rock itself. This convection is happening on the timescale of millions of years, but is real
convection with warmer and colder rock regions actually flowing in plumes. This convection is one of the ways that lighter
rock ("scum") is slowly differentiated to the surface of the Earth to give us the crust.

The tectonic plates roughly reflect the location of the major cold descending plumes in the upper mantle (there is a rock crystal
structure transition at around 670 km below the surface which results into fluid layers). Australia happens to be sitting on its own
plate and is thus a continent. Greenland is part of the North American plate so is an island.

The two layer fluid mantle we have is believed to be responsible for the super-continent cycle. The slow differential convection
in the two layers results in accumulation of cold mantle rock over hot mantle rock with the interface at 670 km below the surface.
This build up results in a massive convective instability roughly every 500 million years. So the upper mantle convection is
what drives the crust into one pile and also drives the instability at its base. The buoyancy driven adjustment results in
the break up of the super-continent as the heat energy breaks through into the upper mantle.

I think the process is plausible since you can sort of see it in a boiling pot. At full boil there are numerous plumes churning the
water (soup) but as the heat is dialed to minimum one gets one plume that is less vigorous. This cooling off and the subsequent
reheating takes 500 million years for the upper mantle rock.

Any continent has several climatic & time zones, has shores on different oceans & big differences in elevation levels.

Rubbish... continents are arbitrarily defined based on exploration... otherwise europe and asia should be the same continent, and north america and south america are only separate continents to separate the first world from the third world... the same reason for the separation of europe and asia.

Besides, the fact that Antarctica and Australia are continents does not mean they are not ALSO islands.

The Age of Explorations is over & the theory of continental plates drift been proven by geology & geophysics.  
Europe and Asia r subcontinents of Eurasia. North America includes Mexico, a 3rd world country; South America includes well developed Chile, Uruguay & Argentina.
Although Australia is sometimes called an “island continent,” most geographers consider islands and continents to be separate things. According to Britannica, an island is a mass of land that is both “entirely surrounded by water” and also “smaller than a continent.” By that definition, Australia can’t be an island because it’s already a continent. https://www.britannica.com/story/is-australia-an-island

Australia is about 3.6 times bigger than Greenland:
http://www.comparea.org/AUS+GRL
https://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/australia/greenland

Antarctica is 6.5x larger than Greenland & 81% larger than Australia:
http://www.comparea.org/ATA+GRL
https://mapfight.appspot.com/gl-vs-antarctica/greenland-antarctica-size-comparison
http://www.comparea.org/ATA+AUS

Finally, if it was defined as an island, it would be easier for some nation to claim all of it. The Antarctic Treaty prohibits that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System

Just like the Caspian littoral states want to keep all outsiders out, the Americans want to keep China out of the Arctic & N. Atlantic. Greenland has a native population that can be bribed to switch its allegiance to the US. It can become another US territory like Guam, PR, & American Samoa.

most geographers consider islands and continents to be separate things. According to Britannica, an island is a mass of land that is both “entirely surrounded by water” and also “smaller than a continent.

Of course Islands and continents are separate things, but that does not mean an Island cannot also be a continent and therefore a continent also an island.

Although Australia is sometimes called an “island continent,

I agree.

Why does it need to be smaller than a continent?

When all the land masses were together in one lump... how many continents were there?

If it is based on techtonic plates and the ethnicity of its inhabitants then Australia and Antarctica were one continent that broke apart, so being smaller than they were they can now be islands...

Finally, if it was defined as an island, it would be easier for some nation to claim all of it. The Antarctic Treaty prohibits that.

So this is the crux of it... the agenda is to make definitions that suit us... it suits us to call it a continent to ensure we get a slice of it... piss off.

Just like the Caspian littoral states want to keep all outsiders out, the Americans want to keep China out of the Arctic & N. Atlantic.

If that were the case how can the US justify their pieces of Antarctica? They have a base there... they operate out of Christchurch Airport with a base to support it.

Of course Islands are continents are separate things, but that does not mean an Island can be a continent and therefore also an island.

true, an island isn't & can't be a continent!

Why does it need to be smaller than a continent?

Any  continent, incl. Australia, is bigger than the biggest of islands.

When all the land masses were together in one lump... how many continents were there?

1, a super continent Gondwanaland.

If it is based on tectonic plates and the ethnicity of its inhabitants..

it's not based on ethnicity of its inhabitants.

..then Australia and Antarctica were one continent that broke apart, so being smaller than they were they can now be islands...

each part that broke of is smaller but still bigger than islands. All geographical features must be classified- if there is no distinction between continents & islands, confusion will result.

the agenda is to make definitions that suit us... it suits us to call it a continent to ensure we get a slice of it...

not true, but historically, islands were claimed more often than entire continents as their discoverers &/ claimants didn't know their true size & extent of those pieces of land.

If that were the case how can the US justify their pieces of Antarctica?

The US doesn't have formal territorial claims there, but maintains presence on the S. Pole to have a good arbiter/bargaining position among other claimants, in case there's a conflict & economic/mil. activity starts. They wouldn't want to allow a single claimant or group of nations to control most/all of it.
Other US stations & rotating personnel in Antarctica r among many of other countries.

true, an island isn't & can't be a continent!

Why... it is an Island, and it is a continent.

Any  continent, incl. Australia, is bigger than the biggest of islands.

There is no size limit on an island.

1, a super continent Gondwanaland.

Which was also one big island.

it's not based on ethnicity of its inhabitants.

Please... early white people had no idea what the actual world map looked like or where the techtonic plates were but when they saw ethnically asian people they defined them as being Asian and from a region called Asia... can you explain what major land mark defines the boundary between Europe and Asia... is it temperature, or elevation, or ethnicity... and surprise it is ethnicity... european one side and asian the other and europeans are very particular about who is what and what is where.

It doesn't matter if you were born in Beijing or London if you are ethnically Asian then that is what you are... don't try to fight it...

You are labelled as coming from a place you may never have been to...

each part that broke of is smaller but still bigger than islands.

Bullshit... Tasmania is smaller than New Zealand... the UK is an Island nation made up of many islands... Indonesia would need a whole book to list all its islands...

You sound like the idiots trying to suggest our moon is not really a moon but a planetary double planet system...

There is no reason to say Australia is not an Island but instead a continent... it is OK for it to be both.

What is not OK is to say Canada is an Island because it is attached to the US and Alaska so it clearly is not an Island despite it including an enormous number of Islands within its territory.

All geographical features must be classified- if there is no distinction between continents & islands, confusion will result.

The world will not end if Australia and Antarctica are both Islands and continents... in a couple of million years Africa and South America might separate and become islands too...  

not true, but historically, islands were claimed more often than entire continents as their discoverers &/ claimants didn't know their true size & extent of those pieces of land.

Yeah, when most people claimed territory they had no idea what they were claiming... they were claiming as much as they could take and hold by force... ask the Mexicans and the American Indians...

The US doesn't have formal territorial claims there, but maintains presence on the S. Pole to have a good arbiter/bargaining position among other claimants, in case there's a conflict & economic/mil. activity starts. They wouldn't want to allow a single claimant or group of nations to control most/all of it.

Translation... if there is a fight we want to be part of it because we will take it all if we get the chance, and if there is money to be made then we want to be there too...[/quote]

Why... it is an Island, and it is a continent.

All continents r big islands, but since all other islands r smaller than the 7 continents, there must be a differentiation.
Definition of a continent:
one of the main landmasses of the globe, usually reckoned as seven in number (Europe, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Australia, and Antarctica). (Europe and Asia are sometimes considered a single continent, Eurasia.)
the mainland, as distinguished from islands or peninsulas.
the Continent, the mainland of Europe, as distinguished from the British Isles. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/continent
https://www.britannica.com/science/continent

There is no size limit on an island.

That's in ur subjective opinion. When a landmass surrounded by water fits the above definition, it's not a regular "island".

Which was also one big island.

with no other islands elsewhere in the ocean, it doesn't matter how it's defined, & it has no bearing on the present day geographical names/semantics.

when they saw ethnically asian people they defined them as being Asian and from a region called Asia...

true, but continents were not named after any natives- it's the other way around.

can you explain what major landmark defines the boundary between Europe and Asia...

The boundary between Asia and Europe is often defined to follow the Aegean Sea, the Caspian Sea, the Turkish Strait, the Black Sea, the Greater Caucasus, and the Ural River and Mountains.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-physical-and-political-features-delineate-the-border-between-europe-and-asia.html

It doesn't matter if you were born in Beijing or London if you are ethnically Asian then that is what you are...

The Samis of Scandinavia r not Whites:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A1mi_people

In 2019, a study based on genetics, archaeology and linguistics found that Uralic speakers arrived in the Baltic region from the East, specifically from Siberia, at the beginning of the Iron Age some 2,500 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages#Genetic_evidence

You are labelled as coming from a place you may never have been to...

i.e., after the name of continents/islands/countries.

Bullshit... Tasmania is smaller than New Zealand...

Smaller sizes of pieces of Gondwana have nothing to do with the fact that those resulting land masses, although smaller, r still continents.

You sound like the idiots trying to suggest our moon is not really a moon but a planetary double planet system...

i.e. they view both as part of a bigger whole.

There is no reason to say Australia is not an Island but instead a continent... it is OK for it to be both. ..
The world will not end if Australia and Antarctica are both Islands and continents...

Fine, if the Royal Geographical Society renames it as Australian Isles like the British Isles, I won't be bothered. But I think the Aussies won't feel proud to be called islanders.
Antarctica has no native population & can be called "an icebox" like Alaska was, for all I care- I don't plan to do business & settle there.

Translation... if there is a fight we want to be part of it because we will take it all if we get the chance,..

not unless they decide to colonize it, which is unlikely. For Antarctica, they'll need a lot more investments & a fleet of iceships/breakers they don't have even for the Arctic. In the best case, they'll build up mil. bases to keep on eye on others; Alaska & Greenland r much closer & have enough natural resources to last decades.
Details on RF AD in the North:
http://nvo.ng.ru/realty/2020-04-24/1_1091_arctic.html?print=Y

Bering Strait issues: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2929063.html

What the hell does any of this nonsense have to do with Arctic?

If it's nonsense to u & it has nothing to do with Arctic, even though we discussed Greenland being the biggest island, ignore it.
Don't bother to reply.

George1 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

George1 wrote:

Russia to spend $1.3 bln to construct two helicopter carriers — source

Any chance they will grace us with official image soon?

we have to wiat until 9th of May

Not gonna happen with low oil price and especially the coronavirus hype. Yes. Read hype. Hell, flu kills hundreds of times more people than COVID-19 does.

Arrow wrote:The keel for these ships was supposed to be yesterday.There is no information

It was only a plan. As plans go in Russia, they go nowhere. Russia takes years to build a puny 5,000 ton frigate. How long do you think it takes Russia to lay keel for a 25,000 ton ship? Years. Russia is slow these days. Not like Chinese. Zuk zuk zuk. Another carrier. Zuk zuk zuk. Another carrier.

Arrow wrote:In the current situation, when a powerful economic crisis arrives that will hit Russia hard, the construction of many ships will be even slower. There is no way about a helicopter carrier. And the ships currently under construction will be completed for quite some time. The crisis has changed all plans.

Meh. It's all hype. Russian flu in the 1920s killed millions. Says who Russian can't build an aircraft carrier? China building 3 carriers. Flu is nothing. Flu is no excuse to lie around doing nothing.