Russian Civil Aviation: News #4

Kiko wrote:The Russian aviation industry challenged the success of the USSR, by Olga Samofalova for VZGLYAD. 09.08.2022.


Aeroflot's portfolio of orders includes 40 Tu-214 aircraft. However, this aircraft is rather an intermediate stage. “This aircraft also has no flight restrictions and can fly all over the world. But it is unlikely to become massive. This is an aircraft with outdated technologies, in a number of characteristics it is inferior to Western counterparts a

https://vz.ru/economy/2022/9/8/1176428.html

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

Also because the current 737 max is nothing but the third modernisation of the original 737 introduced in 1968 (the first modernisation with CFM engines was done in the 80s (737 "classic") and the 737 next gen with improved CFM engines, glass cockpit and  winglets entered into service in December 1997.

GarryB wrote:There is no such thing as obsolete avionics.... the core of the business is engines... if you put decent Russian made engines like PS-90A3s or which ever is the all Russian version they should be fine for now.

In the longer term when better engines and domestic avionics can be installed then install them... until then they will still be better than any aircraft type they are not allowed to operate.

Kiko wrote:Another 15 billion rubles will be given to the MS-21 aircraft project, by Arina Litova for Viedomosti. 09.12.2022.

Money is needed to expand production capacity, experts say.

The project of the domestic medium-haul aircraft MS-21 will receive an additional 15 billion rubles. to the expansion of production. This was announced by Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin during an operational meeting with deputy prime ministers on September 12 (the transcript is available on the website of the Cabinet of Ministers).

The funds will be allocated as part of a strategy to support the Russian economy in the face of sanctions pressure, Mishustin said. The government as a whole will allocate more than 100 billion rubles for these purposes.

Additional comments were not provided to Vedomosti at the time of publication in the Ministry of Industry and Trade, as well as in the manufacturer of the MS-21 and other Russian aircraft - the United Aircraft Corporation ( UAC , part of Rostec) - were not provided.

At the meeting, Mishustin also said that state support of 25 billion rubles. will receive an "air traffic management system". On September 1, Vedomosti wrote about plans to allocate such an amount in the form of subsidies to the main Russian provider of air navigation services - the State Corporation for Air Traffic Management (State Air Traffic Management Corporation; subordinate to Rosaviatsia).

This is not the first time that budget funds have been allocated to support the MS-21 project. In January 2019, the government allocated 10.5 billion rubles. for the creation, production and maintenance of these aircraft. The money had to be received within three years: in 2019 - 1.58 billion rubles, in 2020 and 2021. - 4.11 and 4.81 billion rubles. respectively. Director General of Roscosmos Yuri Borisov, who in 2018 held the post of Deputy Prime Minister in charge of industry, then estimated the cost of creating MS-21 at 465 billion rubles. until 2025.

According to the program for the development of the aviation industry until 2030, domestic carriers should receive 270 MS-21 aircraft. At the same time, 210 of these aircraft will be bought by Aeroflot , the airline's CEO Sergei Aleksandrovsky said at a meeting with President Vladimir Putin (Vedomosti wrote about this on August 26). At the EEF-2022 in Vladivostok, on September 7, Aeroflot signed a contract with UAC for almost 1 trillion rubles. for the purchase of 339 domestic aircraft, including 210 MS-21, which will be leased from 2023 to 2030. Firm orders for the MS-21 in 2018 were also made by the Red Wings airlines (16 aircraft) and Iraero (10 aircraft), as well as the leasing companies VEB-Leasing, Sberbank Leasing and Ilyushin Finance.

In 2022, the Russian aviation industry received an unprecedented amount of state support due to sanctions imposed against it by unfriendly countries after the start of a special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine. 100 billion rubles were allocated to domestic airlines. for the organization of transportation within the country. In June, the Federal Air Transport Agency distributed these funds, and the Aeroflot group received half of the subsidies.

Carriers also received 19.4 billion rubles. for the return of tickets for flights canceled due to external restrictions. Russian cargo airlines received 2.9 billion rubles. subsidies. State support of 3.79 billion rubles. 11 airports in the south and center of Russia that were closed after the start of the NWO were also received.

The state has also invested in selected Russian airlines. Aeroflot was recapitalized by 52.5 billion rubles, after which the state's share in the airline increased to 73.77%. 17 billion rubles were allocated for the restructuring of the debt obligations of Ural Airlines, Aurora and S7. from the National Wealth Fund (NWF).

The anti-Russian sanctions imposed against the Russian Federation after the start of the NWO effectively cut off the access of Russian airlines to new imported equipment (including the most common Boeing and Airbus in their fleets), as well as to maintenance and insurance of these aircraft (AC).

The editor-in-chief of the portal Avia.ru Roman Gusarov suggests that the allocated 15 billion rubles. for the MS-21 will be aimed at accelerating the serial production of aircraft. He added that under the sanctions and blocking the supply of imported aircraft, the MS-21 aircraft are “very much needed by airlines.”

HSE expert Fyodor Borisov also connects the need to expand the production of MS-21 liners with the need to increase production capacity for this aircraft. “If earlier this airliner was supposed to become a competitor to Airbus, now the MS-21 is generally one of the few aircraft available for Russian airlines,” the expert explains.

According to Borisov, the amount allocated for MS-21 "is not excessive." “Moreover, additional investments in MS-21 are beneficial for the state, since the money will return to the budget through the fiscal system in a few years,” adds Gusarov.

https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2022/09/12/940428-samoleta-ms-21-15-mlrd

ludovicense wrote:If Russia had invested massively in its aeronautical industry from 2014 until now, it would be in another stage and would not be experiencing this "squeeze". They should never have given up their own development independently of cooperation with the West. In any case, investing in the MC 21 as a reference aircraft to replace Boeing and Airbus is a wise decision. The potential of this aircraft is enormous. Even the success of this aircraft is a guarantee of security not only for Russia, but for everyone who wants to get out of the USA/EU blackmail, since everyone depends on them in this segment.

If Russia had invested massively in its aeronautical industry from 2014 until now, it would be in another stage and would not be experiencing this "squeeze".

lancelot wrote:

ludovicense wrote:If Russia had invested massively in its aeronautical industry from 2014 until now, it would be in another stage and would not be experiencing this "squeeze". They should never have given up their own development independently of cooperation with the West. In any case, investing in the MC 21 as a reference aircraft to replace Boeing and Airbus is a wise decision. The potential of this aircraft is enormous. Even the success of this aircraft is a guarantee of security not only for Russia, but for everyone who wants to get out of the USA/EU blackmail, since everyone depends on them in this segment.

Russia should license produce this aircraft in India and/or China.

GarryB wrote:

If Russia had invested massively in its aeronautical industry from 2014 until now, it would be in another stage and would not be experiencing this "squeeze".

The problem was there was no market for these Russian planes at the time because western planes leased were in place as the solution to the problem and as long as western airline companies didn't have Russian airlines and Russian airspace under sanctions then there was nothing to push those Russian airlines to shift from what they were already using.

International organisations like the WTO demand free and fair trade so Russian airlines could just stop using western aircraft for no reason, and an all Russian aircraft policy goes against those rules even though that sort of thing is practised everywhere behind closed doors.

The funding by the government of civilian airliners is considered bad too... western companies get away with it by their militaries simply buying lots of Boeings and Airbuses when airlines don't buy so many... most military forces have an enormous range of roles modified civilian airine aircraft can do with a little modification... from VIP transport with almost no modification to ELINT and MPA and transport and inflight refuelling  and AWACS and plenty of other missions... all paying top dollar to Boeing and Airbus to keep their bottom lines nice and healthy even in difficult times.

Interestingly in the case of Russia there are enormous numbers of planes that need to be replaced from Il-20/22 aircraft, through the Il-38 Mays, Tu-134 transports , Tu-154Ms etc etc.

There is a Tupolev design called Tu-330 that is a transport plane based on the Tu-204/214 that is in the 35 ton payload class that would sit nicely between the An-12 and old Il-76 in performance, but it was never built because the orcs saw it as a threat to the An-70, and the Tu-204 and Tu-214 were not in mass production so the commonality didn't matter so much.

Well now the Tu-204 and Tu-214 are going to be produced for the airlines in very significant numbers it just makes sense to say... well the military did buy a few Tu-214s... how about making some more and looking at that transport again in a payload category that is going to be very empty soon as old Il-76s are upgraded or scrapped and the An-12s are getting very worn out and will be scrapped too soon.

Some might argue that this is not relevant because these are civilian aircraft, but combining the investment for civilian and military products is part of the reason Russia gets such value for money...

In the west the US Navy does not have the same fighters or SAMs as the Army or the airforce... even their F-35s are special versions... the F-4 showed it didn't have to be like that... and the ESSM is actually an ancient Sparrow missile the Air Force no longer uses.

Even the 20mm vulcan is slightly different in the Phalanx.

My life experience shows that when the state is determined to direct any action in any segment, that action will be taken. As much as it can be explained, there are no acceptable justifications. There was clearly strategic negligence. Civil aviation (aircraft and air traffic control systems) is an instrument of Western blackmail against the world.

Russia should know this. Even because, incidents like the turbines of Siemiens that ended up in Crimea should have served as a yellow warning of how the West acts against those who are not aligned with its interests.

They do not like to play on a level field

Russia just need the name and the IP. The infrastructure already exist in Russia.

Antonov is an extremely important name for Russia and for the Soviet Union. It is Soviet and Russian legacy, not Ukrainian one.

GarryB wrote:They have made a mistake I think... the Ladoga is a 50 plus seat aircraft... there is no way it could operate with two 800-900hp engines.

The Ladoga is supposed to get a decent helicopter like engine, something like the Klimov TV7-117ST-01 in the 2,400hp power range.

This new engine they are talking about is definitely for the Baikal and the L-410 modification they are working on... both are much smaller than the l-610 which is more like the Il-114 level of engine.

As far as Ansat and Ka-226, apparently a turboshaft version of VK-800 will not be used, but Klimov is working on a new VK-650 turboshaft engine.