Russian Civil Aviation: News #4

Scorpius wrote:
IL-96 cannot be produced in an amount of more than 3-5 units per year in the current state of the plant in Voronezh.

Firebird wrote:There's one thing I just don't get with CR929.
Its this. China thinks its Mr Billy Big Bollocks.
China thinks it can  do everything on its own.
But in reality, China's real skill is in breeding like rabbits and working like sweatshop slaves.
And not much else.

Why does Russia deal with the one country that thinks it can catch up with or even "overtake" Russia?
I've nothing against China-Russia work, even a strong China-Russia partnership.

What I don't get is that Russia has plenty of other countries it can approach too.
Countries that will be grateful and not opportunist or resentful.

Russia could approach India,the ASEAN bloc, certain CIS parties, even certain EU countries like Italy.
It could approach Middle Eastern countries like Iran, or Latin countries outside of Brazil. But for some reason it doesn't. I would imagine India could be a good partner, provided they don't do the same nonsense as during the PAK-FA episode. ASEAN nations would also be promising I would think. And they would be interested in  good relations with Russia for various reasons.

kvs wrote:

Scorpius wrote:
IL-96 cannot be produced in an amount of more than 3-5 units per year in the current state of the plant in Voronezh.

And some new design would be produced in higher volumes?   At what plant?

They can increase the capacity of the production if they want.   This is not some show stopper.

Scorpius wrote:

kvs wrote:

Scorpius wrote:
IL-96 cannot be produced in an amount of more than 3-5 units per year in the current state of the plant in Voronezh.

And some new design would be produced in higher volumes?   At what plant?

They can increase the capacity of the production if they want.   This is not some show stopper.

The plant in Voronezh is almost completely unviable. Large-scale modernization is needed there, and it is easier to build a new plant in a different place, not in a city with a million people. In general, the plant in Voronezh is actually a dying asset, as a maximum it can be used as a pilot and experimental production. I say this as a person who has worked at this plant for five years and has seen the situation from the inside.

flamming_python wrote:

Firebird wrote:There's one thing I just don't get with CR929.
Its this. China thinks its Mr Billy Big Bollocks.
China thinks it can  do everything on its own.
But in reality, China's real skill is in breeding like rabbits and working like sweatshop slaves.
And not much else.

Why does Russia deal with the one country that thinks it can catch up with or even "overtake" Russia?
I've nothing against China-Russia work, even a strong China-Russia partnership.

What I don't get is that Russia has plenty of other countries it can approach too.
Countries that will be grateful and not opportunist or resentful.

Russia could approach India,the ASEAN bloc, certain CIS parties, even certain EU countries like Italy.
It could approach Middle Eastern countries like Iran, or Latin countries outside of Brazil. But for some reason it doesn't. I would imagine India could be a good partner, provided they don't do the same nonsense as during the PAK-FA episode. ASEAN nations would also be promising I would think. And they would be interested in  good relations with Russia for various reasons.

What you mean "thinks it can catch up with or even overtake Russia"?

Give it 5 more years and they'll equal Russia in GDP PPP per capita, another 5 years and they will equal Russians in actual living standards

And by then they'll certainly have a lot more of their own technology too

Best thing for Russia to do? Trade, and make some tidy profit from their demand and market.

Firebird wrote:There's one thing I just don't get with CR929.
Its this. China thinks its Mr Billy Big Bollocks.
China thinks it can  do everything on its own.
But in reality, China's real skill is in breeding like rabbits and working like sweatshop slaves.
And not much else.

Why does Russia deal with the one country that thinks it can catch up with or even "overtake" Russia?
I've nothing against China-Russia work, even a strong China-Russia partnership.

What I don't get is that Russia has plenty of other countries it can approach too.
Countries that will be grateful and not opportunist or resentful.

Russia could approach India,the ASEAN bloc, certain CIS parties, even certain EU countries like Italy.
It could approach Middle Eastern countries like Iran, or Latin countries outside of Brazil. But for some reason it doesn't. I would imagine India could be a good partner, provided they don't do the same nonsense as during the PAK-FA episode. ASEAN nations would also be promising I would think. And they would be interested in  good relations with Russia for various reasons.

flamming_python wrote:

Firebird wrote:There's one thing I just don't get with CR929.
Its this. China thinks its Mr Billy Big Bollocks.
China thinks it can  do everything on its own.
But in reality, China's real skill is in breeding like rabbits and working like sweatshop slaves.
And not much else.

Why does Russia deal with the one country that thinks it can catch up with or even "overtake" Russia?
I've nothing against China-Russia work, even a strong China-Russia partnership.

What I don't get is that Russia has plenty of other countries it can approach too.
Countries that will be grateful and not opportunist or resentful.

Russia could approach India,the ASEAN bloc, certain CIS parties, even certain EU countries like Italy.
It could approach Middle Eastern countries like Iran, or Latin countries outside of Brazil. But for some reason it doesn't. I would imagine India could be a good partner, provided they don't do the same nonsense as during the PAK-FA episode. ASEAN nations would also be promising I would think. And they would be interested in  good relations with Russia for various reasons.

What you mean "thinks it can catch up with or even overtake Russia"?

Give it 5 more years and they'll equal Russia in GDP PPP per capita, another 5 years and they will equal Russians in actual living standards

And by then they'll certainly have a lot more of their own technology too

Best thing for Russia to do? Trade, and make some tidy profit from their demand and market.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

Hole wrote:Let belongs to a russian company.

yes but several components are still imported from Czech Republic, as far as I know. And what about the intellectual property?

Anyway it would be probably safer (and more patriotic) to change the product names (as Airbus or Boeing did when they acquired other companies)

Backman wrote:

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

Hole wrote:Let belongs to a russian company.

yes but several components are still imported from Czech Republic, as far as I know. And what about the intellectual property?

Anyway it would be probably safer (and more patriotic) to change the product names (as Airbus or Boeing did when they acquired other companies)

So far there has been some opposition from Czech ppl to this anti Russia binge. Business ppl and former presidents have made statements denouncing it. Czech is not a lost cause. Not yet anyway.

The dates for the start of tests of the LMS-2 "Baikal" aircraft developed to replace the An-901 have been announced


Tests of a prototype of the new light aircraft "Baikal", created to replace the An-2, will begin at the end of 2021. The aircraft is being developed by the "Baikal-Engineering" company.

A prototype aircraft LMS-901 "Baikal" will be shown in July at the International Aviation and Space Salon. It will begin testing at the end of 2021. So far nothing has been announced about further plans, but the aircraft should go into serial production in 2024, replacing the legendary An-2 "Kukuruznik". At least this is the task set by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In the summer of 2019, the Ministry of Industry and Trade announced a tender for the development of a light multi-functional aircraft for nine passengers to replace the An-2. The winner was LLC "Baikal-engineering" - a subsidiary of the Ural plant of civil aviation... At the same time, the Ministry of Industry and Trade abandoned the single-engine TVS-2021DTS "Baikal" aircraft, which was planned for serial production from 2, the development of which went to the creation of the LMS-901 "Baikal".

The new aircraft LMS-901, being developed to replace the An-2, has a length of 12,2 meters, a height of 3,7 meters and a wingspan of 16,5 meters. Maximum take-off weight - 4,8 tons, speed - up to 300 km / h. The maximum flight range is 3 thousand km. The aircraft is created according to a modular scheme, which will allow it to be converted into a cargo or passenger version.

https://en.topwar.ru/182456-nazvany-sroki-nachala-ispytanij-razrabotannogo-na-smenu-an-2-samoleta-lms-901-bajkal.html

PapaDragon wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:......
The new aircraft's max range would be 3,000km while the old An-2's max range in 845 km, so that's a max range increase of 3.6 times that of the antiquated An-2. Adding coaxial propellers and a SuperOx electric engine could further improve the max range, and with graphene batteries the max range could even be further improved.

3000km is more than enough for this type of plane, nobody wants to be stuck inside something that small for too long

Get it done and send it into production, leave fancy stuff for bigger planes

magnumcromagnon wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:......
The new aircraft's max range would be 3,000km while the old An-2's max range in 845 km, so that's a max range increase of 3.6 times that of the antiquated An-2. Adding coaxial propellers and a SuperOx electric engine could further improve the max range, and with graphene batteries the max range could even be further improved.

3000km is more than enough for this type of plane, nobody wants to be stuck inside something that small for too long

Get it done and send it into production, leave fancy stuff for bigger planes

Who said 'someone' has to be stuck in the airplane, an extended range UAV variant would be a cost effective patrol aircraft, the same variant could even be weaponized to fight other UAV/UCAV's.