North Korea's Nuclear Program

Werewolf wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:A 5.1 earthquake translate to some megatons of yield, at least. So if the information is true, it was quite massive.

Na. 10 Kilotons its been calculated as, AFAIK. Making it a not-quite H-bomb; they're still missing something. Which is good, last thing anyone needs is these nutjobs with nuclear weapons. Hope China piles on the pressure.

So far there are only two nutjobs with nukes. US and Israel, one has used it and the other constantly mentions to use it if their superiority is ever being touched. I am glad NK has nukes and i hope they get ballistic missile technology to actually be capable to deliver such nukes to US east coast that will make the country free from this illegal sanctions while the scum regime of Israel has never faced any sanctions despite having done billion times illegal actions aswell broke international law all North Korea couldn't do through its entire existence along with Korea before that.

flamming_python wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:A 5.1 earthquake translate to some megatons of yield, at least. So if the information is true, it was quite massive.

Na. 10 Kilotons its been calculated as, AFAIK. Making it a not-quite H-bomb; they're still missing something. Which is good, last thing anyone needs is these nutjobs with nuclear weapons. Hope China piles on the pressure.

So far there are only two nutjobs with nukes. US and Israel, one has used it and the other constantly mentions to use it if their superiority is ever being touched. I am glad NK has nukes and i hope they get ballistic missile technology to actually be capable to deliver such nukes to US east coast that will make the country free from this illegal sanctions while the scum regime of Israel has never faced any sanctions despite having done billion times illegal actions aswell broke international law all North Korea couldn't do through its entire existence along with Korea before that.

BTW, the USSR itself threatened to nuke Britain, France and Israel during the Suez Crisis, just so you know (albeit it was but a bluff)

Werewolf wrote:The North Koreans never threatend to nuke anyone as a threat or aggression. The US constantly does and that is why North Korea reacted! They obtained nukes for self defense not to conquer or intimidate anyone for some expansionist ambitions.

higurashihougi wrote:

Werewolf wrote:The North Koreans never threatend to nuke anyone as a threat or aggression. The US constantly does and that is why North Korea reacted! They obtained nukes for self defense not to conquer or intimidate anyone for some expansionist ambitions.

Correct me if I am wrong but the nuke of NK caused some shocks in the stock market and gold price. I heard that gold price rise and stock fall significantly.

Some people claimed that the nuke is used to crush U.S. stock market and to send a message to the White House, that you cannot bully me.

flamming_python wrote:

mack8 wrote:I can't but fully agree with Werewolf here. I'm dejected by the apparent russian and chinese reaction though, don't know if it's just for show or they mean it.

Kinda both

Anything that makes the scumbags in Washington sh*t their pants is good for Russia and China. As opposed to the painful list of victims of US imperialism, NK could really bite back even if that's the last thing they'll do.

I suppose it might be good if it means that NK reduces their huge army and military spending and spends that money on economic development and raising living standards instead.. as they say they'll do. Time will tell.

However, I just view it all as too risky, NK with nukes. It's proliferation and proliferation is never good - it would push neighbours into more armament and possibly their own nuclear capabilities (unlikely with the US presence, but who knows).
Also, there's the possibility for nuclear brinkmanship and threats. NK is a real hard-liner - sure they may not be out to conquer anyone, but they're ridiculously paranoid and fiercely territorial, they view anything and everything the US/South Korea/Japan does as an affront, and always raise the military option and promise retaliation. Think of them as a cornered rat. They might not be the aggressor, or the instigator - but they are the most unpredictable. Russia has more political influence over Iran than China does over NK; despite the Chinese all but control their purse strings. One of these days this whole thing might escalate and if it does; I'd rather not that nukes come into the equation. Better that both sides keep to conventional arms in that case.

nomadski wrote:So what if Japan builds nukes ? Will yanks impose sanctions ? Will Russia and China go along with maintaining sanctions ? Will Russia or China declare war against Japan ?  I can not imagine that they will . So why should north Korea be punished ?  It is about time for Russia and China to at least not give the yanks a blank cheque at the security council . Purely based on possession of nukes by a state . Enough of this double standard . If nukes are good for them . Then they are good for most others .

Second , the logical approach for Korea , is to use actual force , in defence of it's trade . Securing land and sea routes . If any nation blocks the safe passage  , then  it is justifiable and right to defend at that time . Sending missiles over territory of other states ( not directly and immediately involved )  is not a good option . Why not send a ship full of exports to Iran ? If ship stopped , then logical to defend .

The lawlessness that is talked about is false thinking . A law is not simply a law because it is dictated by the powerful  or the wicked . A law has to satisfy many conditions before it can be considered to  be a law . Most important of which is it's morality and universality  . It is immoral to subject a peaceful ( non - invading ) nation to starvation . The UNSC " law " is nothing of the sort .