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    Post  Atmosphere 23/02/22, 07:18 am

    JohninMK wrote:Can anyone answer this question for me that was posted on another site?

    Can someone explain to me the kinematics involved with the Kinzhal missile? From what I can see from Wikipedia et al. it is a gross 1000kg mass missile with a 500kg war head, that is supposed to travel at Mach 10 for 2000 miles. Wikipedia states on cruise kinetic energy of 17.2GJ. I don’t see that – I calculate terminal KE ~3.9GJ (I assume no significant propellant left at max range) and warhead to be 3GJ. Nowhere near the quoted value.

    Looking at it this the warhead seems to be roughly the same warhead size as a 1000kg bomb, give or take a bit; so the deposited energy (max) of the missile is ~2x a 1000kg bomb or somewhat more than a 16″ gun shell depending on the explosive amount in the shell.

    Whilst this will cause a lot of damage, it isn’t the devastation that I had expected, it seems like the damage from a hypersonic weapon is somewhat “hyped”


    Everything about this question is wrong. And that is the reason why weapon analysis and what is considered "hyped" or not is up to actual experts.

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    Post  JohninMK 23/02/22, 07:44 am

    Atmosphere wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Can anyone answer this question for me that was posted on another site?

    Can someone explain to me the kinematics involved with the Kinzhal missile? From what I can see from Wikipedia et al. it is a gross 1000kg mass missile with a 500kg war head, that is supposed to travel at Mach 10 for 2000 miles. Wikipedia states on cruise kinetic energy of 17.2GJ. I don’t see that – I calculate terminal KE ~3.9GJ (I assume no significant propellant left at max range) and warhead to be 3GJ. Nowhere near the quoted value.

    Looking at it this the warhead seems to be roughly the same warhead size as a 1000kg bomb, give or take a bit; so the deposited energy (max) of the missile is ~2x a 1000kg bomb or somewhat more than a 16″ gun shell depending on the explosive amount in the shell.

    Whilst this will cause a lot of damage, it isn’t the devastation that I had expected, it seems like the damage from a hypersonic weapon is somewhat “hyped”


    Everything about this question is wrong. And that is the reason why weapon analysis and what is considered "hyped" or not is up to actual experts.

    Thanks but is there something I can say in a technical response?
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    Post  Atmosphere 23/02/22, 07:59 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Atmosphere wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Can anyone answer this question for me that was posted on another site?

    Can someone explain to me the kinematics involved with the Kinzhal missile? From what I can see from Wikipedia et al. it is a gross 1000kg mass missile with a 500kg war head, that is supposed to travel at Mach 10 for 2000 miles. Wikipedia states on cruise kinetic energy of 17.2GJ. I don’t see that – I calculate terminal KE ~3.9GJ (I assume no significant propellant left at max range) and warhead to be 3GJ. Nowhere near the quoted value.

    Looking at it this the warhead seems to be roughly the same warhead size as a 1000kg bomb, give or take a bit; so the deposited energy (max) of the missile is ~2x a 1000kg bomb or somewhat more than a 16″ gun shell depending on the explosive amount in the shell.

    Whilst this will cause a lot of damage, it isn’t the devastation that I had expected, it seems like the damage from a hypersonic weapon is somewhat “hyped”


    Everything about this question is wrong. And that is the reason why weapon analysis and what is considered "hyped" or not is up to actual experts.

    Thanks but is there something I can say in a technical response?

    sure thing mate. Without any offense to the author of the question, here are the misconceptions:
    -Max speed is mach 10-12 not mach 10
    -Terminal speed is mach 6 or above
    -There is no guessing, terminal speed based on the fact that there is no fuel left, its a very complicated task and needs specialists with appropriate equipment. The value given above is given by official sources but can be softballed for secrecy.
    - Weighing 4 tons empty, and moving at mach 6, terminal energy is 8.5 GJ, nowhere near the 3.9 GJ.
    -Cruising at mach 10 obviously leads to that colossally high energy
    -There is no guessing warhead power without knowing the mixture
    -there is no guessing terminal effect by adding up KE with explosive power, it does not work that way.

    Now to the hype part.
    The "hype", comes from evading sophisticated air defense, not the raw power, thats easily solvable, but the complicated task is evading air defence, this is where maneuvering at mach 6 is extremely dangerous. Hitting "really hard"is a second advantage to that.

    The comparison with a WW2 16 inch gun mounted on battleships and weighing 120 tons is incoherent, out of place, and leads to nowhere.
    Of course a 120 tube that lobs very large masses of HE is going to have lots of energy, what do you expect? But why is it being brought up here? Can this WW2 gun penetrate air defense? Can it give you 1m CEP at 2000 km? Can it ensure you fire while being out of retaliation zones?
    And even the hype about hitting power is deserved. You have a weapon weighing thirty times less than a massive WW2 battleship gun delivering way more energy at a target at 50 times the range. This is comparing the incomparable. It's like saying The S400's radar is overhyped because the AK74 has more chances of killing someone than someone dying by being hit by the rotating antenna of the S400's radar. Totally out of place.

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    Post  JohninMK 23/02/22, 08:54 am

    Atmosphere wrote:
    Thanks but is there something I can say in a technical response?

    sure thing mate. Without any offense to the author of the question, here are the misconceptions:
    -Max speed is mach 10-12 not mach 10
    -Terminal speed is mach 6 or above
    -There is no guessing, terminal speed based on the fact that there is no fuel left, its a very complicated task and needs specialists with appropriate equipment. The value given above is given by official sources but can be softballed for secrecy.
    - Weighing 4 tons empty, and moving at mach 6, terminal energy is 8.5 GJ, nowhere near the 3.9 GJ.
    -Cruising at mach 10 obviously leads to that colossally high energy
    -There is no guessing warhead power without knowing the mixture
    -there is no guessing terminal effect by adding up KE with explosive power, it does not work that way.

    Now to the hype part.
    The "hype", comes from evading sophisticated air defense, not the raw power, thats easily solvable, but the complicated task is evading air defence, this is where maneuvering at mach 6 is extremely dangerous. Hitting "really hard"is a second advantage to that.

    The comparison with a WW2 16 inch gun mounted on battleships and weighing 120 tons is incoherent, out of place, and leads to nowhere.
    Of course a 120 tube that lobs very large masses of HE is going to have lots of energy, what do you expect? But why is it being brought up here? Can this WW2 gun penetrate air defense? Can it give you 1m CEP at 2000 km? Can it ensure you fire while being out of retaliation zones?
    And even the hype about hitting power is deserved. You have a weapon weighing thirty times less than a massive WW2 battleship gun delivering way more energy at a target at 50 times the range. This is comparing the incomparable. It's like saying The S400's radar is overhyped because the AK74 has more chances of killing someone than someone dying by being hit by the rotating antenna of the S400's radar. Totally out of place.[/quote]

    Brilliant, mucho thanks.

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    Post  GarryB 23/02/22, 05:18 pm

    Can someone explain to me the kinematics involved with the Kinzhal missile? From what I can see from Wikipedia et al. it is a gross 1000kg mass missile with a 500kg war head, that is supposed to travel at Mach 10 for 2000 miles. Wikipedia states on cruise kinetic energy of 17.2GJ. I don’t see that – I calculate terminal KE ~3.9GJ (I assume no significant propellant left at max range) and warhead to be 3GJ. Nowhere near the quoted value.

    The Kinzhal is an air launched Iskander missile.

    Iskander is a ground launched missile with a range of 480km that is powered and manouvers all the way to the target... it does not go up and come down like a stone that has been thrown... it climbs to an altitude and levels off and flys towards the target area and then as it approaches it performs evasive manouvers to make it hard to target and then it dives down on the target... it is not a ballistic missile and does not follow a ballistic path, which makes it rather hard to intercept.

    The flight range of only 500km is because of all the manouvering. The flight speed is mach 6-7 and is largely because it is sitting on the ground and has to overcome its own weight and climb to altitude and then fly to the target area through the thickest air at ground level.

    The Iskander weighs 3.8 tons and the Kinzhal wont be any lighter.

    Kinzhal is launched at a speed of mach 2.2-2.4 and probably at an altitude of 16-18km so its rocket motor does not have to get the missile moving and climb through the thickest part of the atmosphere, which means it can climb rather higher to the thinner higher altitudes and it can accelerate to a much higher speed because when launched it is already moving at supersonic speeds.

    Being launched mid flight is the equivalent of having an extra rocket booster stage which increases flight speed and also range... speed given is mach 9-10 and the flight range is about 2,000km (not miles).... this is a Russian missile so descriptions are generally metric.

    Whilst this will cause a lot of damage, it isn’t the devastation that I had expected, it seems like the damage from a hypersonic weapon is somewhat “hyped”

    I am guessing he is describing something he has watched like a video.

    During an explosion basically essentially fuel is burned at supersonic speed... any conventional plastic explosive is going to explode at about 2-3km/s which is teh flight speed of this missile... so you could fill this warhead section with chunks of concrete and metal and the impact speed would scatter these fragments around like a bomb had exploded.

    In terms of sinking a ship a mach 10 vertical dive on a flight deck with a 100kg chunk of pointed metal with a rear open cone shape with 400kgs of HE with a delay fuse so the warhead punches through the flight deck and all the decks below that till it reaches water and then explodes would be the equivalent of punching a hole through someone... and when the tip or your pointed spear gets right through them extending spikes at every angle and then wrenching the spear back out through the wound.

    In practical terms punching a hole through the decks wont do critical damage to the ship as the damage would be quite localised as long as it doesn't go through fuel or ammo supplies or the nuclear reactors on the ships, but when the warhead hits the water and the HE charge explodes and creates an enormous air bubble that then lifts the ship at that weakened point and breaks its back then that ship is going to sink.

    The speed of the missile is about evading defences, and not so much about increasing damage, but obviously it is a useful feature against ships and also runways I would think as well as hardened bunkers too.

    Against soft targets like buildings you could use the same warhead design but explode the warhead above the target so the 100kg penetrator is shattered into fragments being driven forward by the explosion as well as the flight speed of the missile, which would be fairly devastating too.

    I honestly dont think this was the actual impact video of a kinzhal. I could be wrong.

    I agree... I don't think they are ready to reveal its shape just yet... why help those currently struggling to work out a shape that works?

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    Post  Atmosphere 23/02/22, 06:37 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Atmosphere wrote:
    Thanks but is there something I can say in a technical response?

    sure thing mate. Without any offense to the author of the question, here are the misconceptions:
    -Max speed is mach 10-12 not mach 10
    -Terminal speed is mach 6 or above
    -There is no guessing, terminal speed based on the fact that there is no fuel left, its a very complicated task and needs specialists with appropriate equipment. The value given above is given by official sources but can be softballed for secrecy.
    - Weighing 4 tons empty, and moving at mach 6, terminal energy is 8.5 GJ, nowhere near the 3.9 GJ.
    -Cruising at mach 10 obviously leads to that colossally high energy
    -There is no guessing warhead power without knowing the mixture
    -there is no guessing terminal effect by adding up KE with explosive power, it does not work that way.

    Now to the hype part.
    The "hype", comes from evading sophisticated air defense, not the raw power, thats easily solvable, but the complicated task is evading air defence, this is where maneuvering at mach 6 is extremely dangerous. Hitting "really hard"is a second advantage to that.

    The comparison with a WW2 16 inch gun mounted on battleships and weighing 120 tons is incoherent, out of place, and leads to nowhere.
    Of course a 120 tube that lobs very large masses of HE is going to have lots of energy, what do you expect? But why is it being brought up here? Can this WW2 gun penetrate air defense? Can it give you 1m CEP at 2000 km? Can it ensure you fire while being out of retaliation zones?
    And even the hype about hitting power is deserved. You have a weapon weighing thirty times less than a massive WW2 battleship gun delivering way more energy at a target at 50 times the range. This is comparing the incomparable. It's like saying The S400's radar is overhyped because the AK74 has more chances of killing someone than someone dying by being hit by the rotating antenna of the S400's radar. Totally out of place.

    Brilliant, mucho thanks.[/quote]


    you're welcome mate!

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    Post  lyle6 24/02/22, 01:14 am

    Beyond physical effects the Kinzhal also provides the Russian military one very valuable capability that is near unmatched by anything except ICBMs:
    Anything within 2000 km of a MiG-31K on station is mere ~20 minutes away from being vaporized. Twisted Evil

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    Post  JohninMK 20/03/22, 01:17 am

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    BREAKING: Russia has fired hypersonic Kinzhal ("dagger") missiles in Ukraine.

    Officially, the weapons were used to destroy a munitions depot in Ivano-Frankivsk. In reality, this is a MAJOR deterrent signal to NATO.

    Today, Putin has also taken one step closer to the nuclear threshold. He just demoed Russia's premier tactical-nuke delivery system in Ukraine.

    The message to NATO could not be clearer: If you intervene in the conflict, I will use this system against you.

    By firing Kinzhals in Ukraine, Putin is sending a major "do not F with us" message to the West.

    He is reminding the world that, whatever logistics challenges his military faces, it retains an edge in absolute bleeding-edge nuclear and conventional weaponry.

    Due to its extreme range, it is a "carrier killer" – capable of wiping out an entire U.S. Carrier Strike Group.

    Russia's use of the Kinzhal in Ukraine is similar to Trump's use of the MOAB (Mother of All Bombs) in Afghanistan in 2017. Putin's decision to use the Kinzhal is more escalatory than Trump's use of the MOAB, because the Kinzhal is nuclear capable.

    In both instances, the point of the weapons deployment was not the immediate combat effect. The goal is to menace other adversaries by demoing a system.


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    Post  lyle6 20/03/22, 06:03 am

    Hopefully the next time it malfunctions and lands wherever bunker that bitch zelensky is hiding in.
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    Post  flamming_python 20/03/22, 06:30 am

    lyle6 wrote:Hopefully the next time it malfunctions and lands wherever bunker that bitch zelensky is hiding in.

    He's in Poland somewhere. Maximum Lvov, but then that's Poland too or soon will be.

    Unless you buy that line about the Slovak, Polish and whoever else it was PM's traveling to Kiev by train a few days ago to meet him
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    Post  Hole 20/03/22, 08:41 am

    lyle6 wrote:Hopefully the next time it malfunctions and lands wherever bunker that bitch zelensky is hiding in.

    Well, that would be in Poland.
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    Post  GarryB 20/03/22, 05:41 pm

    -Terminal speed is mach 6 or above
    -There is no guessing, terminal speed based on the fact that there is no fuel left, its a very complicated task and needs specialists with appropriate equipment. The value given above is given by official sources but can be softballed for secrecy.

    Actually the external fins on the Iskander and Kinzhal are fixed and its only method of manouvering is the control surfaces inside its rocket exhaust so in effect it can only turn and manouver while the rocket motor is running... which it does from launch to impact... which is why its flight range is so short for a 4 ton missile...

    Today, Putin has also taken one step closer to the nuclear threshold. He just demoed Russia's premier tactical-nuke delivery system in Ukraine.

    There is no evidence of a nuclear armed Kinzhal missile... for all we know the vast majority will be conventionally armed... its key feature is high speed for evading air defence systems and also like good target penetration performance so carriers and bunkers...
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    Post  JohninMK 20/04/22, 11:42 pm

    A song "Anything you can do I can do better" or bigger in this case Laughing

    Cum-on America, you're lagging behind  Mad

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    Post  Sujoy 18/08/22, 04:22 am

    GarryB wrote: A scramjet motor is much more efficient and clever, but a rocket powered Kinzhal does the job and because it was based on an existing weapon it is practically already in production and is now in service.
    I think what adds it a little more something to the Kinzhal is that it speeds laterally making it much harder to try and target with air defense. Maybe this allows for preservation of its speed and the kinetic energy can increase the yield of the warhead



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    Post  RTN 19/08/22, 05:20 am

    A Zircon launched from a MIG-31 will serve the same purpose as the Kinzhal.

    The only reason Kinzhal exists is because too many Iskanders have been produced and so someone came up with this idea of strapping it to an aircraft. The U.S toyed with this idea of an air launched ballistic missile back in the 70s but dropped it in favor of ALCMs.

    Kinzhal might carry a few decoys but it is in no way better than a Zircon. In other words, there is no need for a Kinzhal when the Zircon already exists.

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    Post  GarryB 19/08/22, 04:40 pm

    I think what adds it a little more something to the Kinzhal is that it speeds laterally making it much harder to try and target with air defense. Maybe this allows for preservation of its speed and the kinetic energy can increase the yield of the warhead

    Iskander was based from the outset to detect enemy radar sources... whether it is SAM search radars or SAM tracking radars or ARH radars in missiles like AMRAAM or Patriot, and it is intended to release jammers and decoys and chaff and also manouver around such threats that it detects on its way to its target.

    Minor manouvers to evade incoming threats will cost in speed but it does not matter how fast you fly, if you fly a predictable course you can be intercepted, but even flying at half that speed but manouvering... and I am not talking 90 degree turns... just a few degrees one way and then a few degrees another way means the new shifted intercept point for the outgoing missiles is not moved dozens of kilometres in a fraction of a second with no chance of manouvering to compensate by the time you work out the new intercept point.

    Basing the Kinzhal on the Iskander was easy and obvious because it is already designed for that role, and was already very accurate... by making it air launched from a MIG-31 it is like putting a very large solid rocket booster motor stage to get it up into the air and moving very fast before the normal motor even lights up.

    Iskanders can carry tactical nuclear warheads so I would think Kinzhal could easily be nuclear armed if they wanted powerful effects on target too.

    Most shipping targets would not require a nuke though... even the super carriers.

    A Zircon launched from a MIG-31 will serve the same purpose as the Kinzhal.

    Zircon is a combined rocket and scramjet powered missile... a ramjet or scramjet engine has a lot of empty space inside and on their normal rocket ramjet missiles like the SA-6 and Kh-31 and Onyx and Brahmos, that empty space is filled with a solid rocket motor to get the missile airborne and moving at speed so the air intakes can be opened and the ramjet motor started... it is a very simple type of jet engine.

    Releasing such a weapon at 18km altitude and mach 2.4 flight speed would mean the solid rocket booster... instead of getting the missile moving and through the thickest air at sea level to where the jet engine can be started to accelerate it to higher altitude and higher speed... it can accelerate the missile to even higher altitudes and even higher flight speeds.

    The Kinzhal is a solid rocket so power is fixed... it can't throttle up or down... when it reaches its top speed any extra thrust is wasted, but with Kinzhal when it gets to its top speed it can throttle back and reduce fuel use and therefore travel much further.

    Being launched from an aircraft boosted the Iskanders speed from mach 6-7 to mach 9-10, and its range from 500km to 2,000km.

    The Zircon wont get as much range advantage but it will probably boost speed to mach 11 or 12 perhaps which will likely at 500-1,000km to its ground launched range of 1,500km...

    The only reason Kinzhal exists is because too many Iskanders have been produced and so someone came up with this idea of strapping it to an aircraft. The U.S toyed with this idea of an air launched ballistic missile back in the 70s but dropped it in favor of ALCMs.

    Iskander is much better designed to evade enemy air defences... it does not climb and accelerate to speed and then burn out and then just fall back down to hit the target... it levels off and flys to the target like a plane and its flight is powered all the way like a plane so you can't just calculate its trajectory like a rocket, you have to track it and chase it like a plane... but it is much faster than any plane.

    An air launched version was a very quick and easy way to get an effective weapon in service quickly and cheaply.

    A US ballistic missile would not have been as useful because it would be as easy to shoot down as their ground launched missiles at the time... or for that matter a Soviet Scud missile or FROG-7 rocket...

    Kinzhal might carry a few decoys but it is in no way better than a Zircon. In other words, there is no need for a Kinzhal when the Zircon already exists.

    Kinzhal is available and cheap and already in mass production... they can keep using it for quite some time.

    Zircon is more sophisticated and faster and could be launched at lower altitudes and lower speeds and still be very very capable... and being longer and slimmer rather than short and fat it would be easier to carry on weapon pylons or internal rotary launchers in large numbers.

    Zircon is designed with decoys and sensors and to evade enemy air defences too, but optimised for naval defences... which ironically are the strongest the west has in service and the only air defences that approach the performance of Russian AD.

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    Post  RTN 21/08/22, 04:25 am

    GarryB wrote:Kinzhal is available and cheap and already in mass production... they can keep using it for quite some time.
    Zircon is also available. Just mass produce it. Economies of scale will ensure cost will go down.

    The material used to produce the airframe/body of the Kinzhal is the same material used to produce the Zircon.
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    Post  LMFS 21/08/22, 10:17 am

    Sharpness of the "Dagger": how the hypersonic complex project developed

    The unique Russian missile has become a crucial component of NATO's deterrence
    Dmitry Kornev

    Russian hypersonic missiles "Dagger" for the first time took up permanent combat duty in Kaliningrad. On August 18, the military department distributed a video of the flight of three MiG-31 carrier fighters that landed at the Chkalovsky airfield in the Kaliningrad Region. According to the Defense Ministry, this deployment was carried out "as part of the implementation of additional strategic deterrence measures." Although the Dagger has already taken part in a special military operation, it still remains one of the most closed systems in the arsenal of the Russian army. Izvestia examined how this project developed, what are the prospects for the development of Kinzhal, and why the X-47M2 index, which the system allegedly carries, is fake.

    The road to the West
    The Russian Defense Ministry announced on August 18, 2022 that three MiG-31 supersonic aircraft with Kinzhal hypersonic missiles were relocated to the Chkalovsk airfield in the Kaliningrad Region. This is the first time that the latest hypersonic weapons complex has appeared in the westernmost point of the Russian Federation.

    "Dagger" today remains one of the most secret developments of the Russian rocket and aviation industry. Nevertheless, after its premiere in the memorable speech of Russian President Vladimir Putin to the Federal Assembly on March 1, 2018, some details about the latest weapons system have already become known.

    The 9-A-7660 Kinzhal complex with a hypersonic missile and a MiG-31 carrier aircraft was developed in the 2000s and 2010s by the Kolomna Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering together with the RAC MiG. The choice of the aircraft is not accidental: it is precisely such a machine as the MiG-31 that can perform the role of not only the carrier and launch platform, but also the first upper stage. KB Mashinostroyeniya is widely known for its ground-based multifunctional complex Iskander-M with a solid-fuel 9M723 aeroballistic missile, and, apparently,it served as the prototype of the Kinzhal . This is a very compact rocket, it carries different types of warheads and can be launched at any height and at any initial speed of the carrier. It only remained to refine the control system and learn how to aim a missile suspended under the plane. As a result, an air missile system was created that has no analogues in the world.

    The exact performance characteristics of the system were not published in the open press. However, it is known that the range of the complex is about 2 thousand km, and the maximum speed of the rocket can reach 10 speeds of sound. At the time of launch from such a carrier as the MiG-31, the rocket already has a flight altitude of about 20 km and a speed of at least 1500 km/h. Due to such starting conditions, the Dagger ammunition gets a record flight speed and range, which is several times greater than the range of the ground-based prototype.

    Blow with a guarantee
    "Dagger" flies along an aeroballistic trajectory — that is, in dense layers of the atmosphere, the ammunition moves using the lifting force of the streamlined body, and in the discharged upper layers of the atmosphere — just like all other ballistic missiles, like a thrown stone. This combination allows you to get the maximum range and unique anti-missile capabilities. After all, the warhead is controlled along the entire flight path using both aerodynamic rudders and maneuvering micro-motors. This ensures high accuracy and creates maximum difficulties for the defense system of a potential enemy — after all, a missile that performs unpredictable maneuvers during flight is extremely difficult to shoot down. But that's not all. After installing the radar guidance head, the missile also becomes homing.

    Most likely, the missiles of the complex are equipped with a radar guidance system and can hit not only stationary targets with pre-known coordinates, but also deliver targeted strikes on moving objects such as an aircraft carrier or other ship. Any large radio-contrast target will be found by such a missile, singled out among others, and destroyed on the first hit.

    The "Dagger" complex can be guaranteed to hit any ground and even protected target — the speed of the ammunition at the time of falling exceeds 1 km / sec. No ground-based object can be protected from such a threat, even if it does not carry a nuclear charge. And with a penetrating nuclear warhead, it will be able to "uproot" any buried object such as a silo-type ballistic missile launcher or a stationary underground command post with a single hit.

    In terms of their capabilities, the Dagger complexes belong to strategic weapons systems, and it is not for nothing that the MiG-31 carrier aircraft, which arrived in Kaliningrad on August 18, show the emblems of Long-range aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces. According to information from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, "Daggers" are included in the composition of Long-range aviation. And today in the ranks of the Russian Aerospace Forces there is already a whole regiment of MiG-31 carrier aircraft, squadrons of which can be quickly transferred to any remote airfield and go to the targets with a jump.

    Thus, "Dagger" today is the latest means of rapid and high-precision response to almost any challenge from an arbitrarily strong opponent. This type of missile system is currently not in service in any army in the world. By the way, from the base near Kaliningrad, "Daggers" can hit targets in Europe, including the entire territory of France and Great Britain. From the Kola Peninsula, you can control the entire North Atlantic to Iceland. From Chukotka — all of Alaska, and from the Crimea-the central and eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea.

    The legend of the Dagger
    Not having had time to appear in the public media space, the Dagger missile system immediately began to acquire legends. One of them is its supposedly official name "X-47M2". It is interesting that the index in the system of designations of equipment of the Armed Forces of Russia in reality never existed.

    The history of its appearance is as follows: in 2014, by mistake, in the retelling of the speech of the head of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation, the designation "promising rocket for the 5th generation PAK FA X-74M2 aircraft" appeared in the media. And indeed, the head of the KTRV was talking about the air–to-air missile for the K-74M2 PAK FA, which was being worked on at that time. The "K" index is usually air–to–air ammunition, but the index of air-to-ground missiles usually begins with the letter "X". Because of this confusion, an even stranger index "X-47M2" appeared a little later. It turned out to be so similar to the truth that it remained in the masses and still lives in the media space.

    https://iz.ru/1382270/dmitrii-kornev/ostrota-kinzhala-kak-razvivalsia-proekt-giperzvukovogo-kompleksa

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    Post  JohninMK 03/11/22, 12:16 am

    I put this in the Ukraine thread but I thought it would fit here as well. A realistic and "bitter" analysis by an enemy.

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    Post  GarryB 03/11/22, 05:36 pm

    But their air defence was shooting down 44 out of 50 launched weapons right up until just recently...

    The fact of the matter is that their air defence is fragmented and all over the place and its performance would range from bad to useless.

    Network it all together with management and control and of course good quality sensor coverage and even their air defences would be a problem for many countries, but Kinzhal and Iskander and Kh-32 and even Onyx and quite a few other weapons like Kh-101 and Kh-555 and LMUR and Kh-69 and Kh-59 they are having real problems with... and that does not take into account drones.


    The US could transfer several of their fleets worth of ships and they would be gone before the week was over if they deployed to the Black Sea.

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    Post  Kiko 19/02/23, 11:07 pm

    Rostec has increased the production of hypersonic missiles "Dagger", 02.19.2023.

    Chemezov: "Rostec" increases the volume of mass production of hypersonic missiles "Dagger".

    PETROPAVLOVSK-KAMCHATSKY, February 19 - RIA Novosti. Rostec has increased the production of the Kinzhal hypersonic missile systems, the head of the state corporation, Sergei Chemezov, said on the air of the Military Acceptance program on the Zvezda TV channel.

    “I got into the stream a long time ago, it’s just that initially we didn’t need such a quantity. Therefore, we are now increasing,” he said.

    Chemezov added that Rostec produces a large number of products for the Defense Ministry.
    "The volume of production of military products has grown significantly, in some cases more than 50 times," the head of the state corporation added, noting that the big growth primarily concerns ammunition.

    The missile of the Kinzhal hypersonic complex, according to the developers, is guaranteed to overcome all existing air and missile defense systems, delivering nuclear and conventional warheads to a distance of up to two thousand kilometers. They are equipped with MiG-31K fighter-interceptors.

    https://ria.ru/20230219/kinzhal-1852925022.html

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    Post  Kiko 20/02/23, 08:53 am

    Irresistible and hits without a miss: What is the advantage of Russian hypersonic missiles "Dagger", by Sergey Ptichkin for Rossiskaya Gazeta. 02.19.2023.

    This year, the defense industry has significantly increased the production of military products, said the head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov.

    In an interview with the Zvezda TV channel, he said that "since February, the volume of production of military products has increased in some cases by more than 50 times. This primarily concerns ammunition." The increase in the production of hypersonic missile systems "Kinzhal" was especially highlighted. As Chemezov explained, the missiles "became on stream a long time ago," but "initially, the number that is needed now was not required."

    So what is the peculiarity of these missiles and what are they capable of?

    It is no longer a secret that the Kh-47M2 airborne hypersonic missile of the Kinzhal complex was developed on the basis of the Iskander ground-based missile at the Kolomna Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering under the guidance of General Designer V.M. Kashin. And quite complex work on adapting a land-based missile to air-based on the MiG-31K was carried out at the OKB. A.I. Mikoyan under the direction of V.I. Barkovsky.

    For the first time, these hypersonic missiles were used at the very beginning of the NWO. The results were stunning not only for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but also for NATO military analysts.

    The loudest was the first strike of the "Dagger" on a large underground warehouse of missiles and aviation ammunition of Ukrainian troops in the village of Delyatyn, Ivano-Frankivsk region. The attack took place on March 18, 2022. Recall that then conventional ammunition destroyed not just a warehouse, but one of the central storage bases for nuclear weapons, known as "Object 711", or "Ivano-Frankivsk-16". This object was built in 1955 and strengthened so that in those years it could withstand the impact of an atomic bomb. And the blow of the Russian hypersonic missile did not survive.

    The exact characteristics of the Kinzhal complex are, of course, strictly secret, but it is known that the Kh-47M2 missile can fly at a speed 12 times greater than sound. And hit at a distance of 1500 km. And the accuracy of hitting the target, one might say, is in the top ten. The missile is designed to destroy well-defended command posts, underground arsenals and even aircraft carriers. Hitting a moving target for the X-47M2 is not a problem. The missiles have perhaps the best homing system in the world, developed by Russian specialists and assembled only from domestic components. After the attack on the arsenal in Delyatino, "Daggers" were used repeatedly, not a single missile was shot down by the air defense forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and they themselves always reached their goal. And their blow was irresistible.

    It is impossible to intercept the missile, and the target will be hit with the maximum probability. And the goals can be anything. If we talk about European missile defense, then all systems located in European NATO countries can be destroyed without even having time to react to the threat of a strike. Given the capabilities of the MiG-31, there will be no chance for missile defense systems even in distant Greenland. And the entire US carrier fleet will lose its meaning. As soon as the aircraft carriers approach the borders of our country at the range of their aviation, they will be under the guns of the MiG-31K and their "Daggers". The launch of one missile, even without a nuclear warhead, and the floating airfield will sink.

    By the way, the arsenal destroyed in March last year in the Ivano-Frankivsk region was only 80 kilometers from the Romanian border. And back in 2016, Romania deployed the Aegis Ashore stationary missile defense system with American RIM-161 Standard Missile 3 (SM-3) missile interceptors on its territory. In total, according to media reports, 3 batteries of 8 SM-3 Block IB missiles are deployed at the Deveselu military base. They, as the Americans assure, are designed to intercept intercontinental ballistic missiles and warheads at atmospheric altitudes and at long ranges. However, the Kinzhal strike very clearly showed that the NATO Aegis Ashore missile defense system, in case of military necessity, will be swept away by our hypersonic missiles, even with non-nuclear warheads, before it can be put on alert.

    "Dagger" is indeed our real strength, which is not yet found anywhere in the world. By the way, in the light of the increasing activity of NATO in the Baltic region, several MiG-31Ks with their "Daggers" were reportedly deployed to the Kaliningrad region. We saw such missile carriers in the Republic of Belarus.

    https://rg.ru/2023/02/19/neotrazim-i-bet-bez-promaha-v-chem-preimushchestvo-rossijskih-giperzvukovyh-raket-kinzhal.html

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    Post  ALAMO 20/02/23, 09:34 am

    "Hypersonic are just as normal missiles, only cant be intercepted"
    lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  GarryB 20/02/23, 04:05 pm

    When was the last time they had a president that dumb?

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    Don't misunderestimate GWB jnr...

    It seems the bar just gets lower and lower...

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