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    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:16 am

    The advantages of the ZU-23 is that it is cheap and in service, yet with an upgrade, its performance is increased significantly without making it a lot more expensive.

    The thing is that the Sosna is a new missile that is much faster and much longer ranged than MANPADS... 10km vs 6km, which makes it more effective against aircraft that might be armed with 6-8km range weapons like Hellfire etc.

    Also the 23mm cannon shell is probably cheaper than the 30mm, but only the Shilka and ZU-23 use that round. The 23mm shell used in the Hind and other aircraft is a smaller shorter cartridge, though the HE heavy projectile is the same.

    Eliminating a calibre from the inventory (23x152mm) would be a good thing and certainly the extra range and performance in missiles and gun ammo would be valuable, but not as much as commonality as BMP-2/3 units and of course air defence units with Tunguska and Pantsir using the same 2A38M cannon would be useful too.

    Personally I would modify the design to allow perhaps more missiles to be carried... say 8 Pine missiles and two Verba and two Igla or older missiles like SA-9 or SA-13 for simpler targets.

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    I would also probably put the ball turret up higher and to the rear to give it a full 360 degree FOV.
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    Post  dino00 on Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:23 pm

    One at all: the Pantsir air defense missile system will destroy the enemy without a crew

    The new machine does not need artillery operators

    Armed forces of Russia will receive anti-aircraft robot machine. It will be created on the basis of the Pantsir missile-cannon complex. The machine will be able to automatically, without the participation of military operators, find targets, identify and destroy them, which will not put soldiers and officers at risk. Also, the installation will be ready to work in areas with ultra-low temperatures or chemical contamination. According to experts, such a robot will radically increase the combat capabilities of Russian air defense.

    Maximum automation

    The Ministry of Defense made a fundamental decision on the development of an anti-aircraft robot, the tactical and technical requirements for the machine have already been determined, sources in the military department told Izvestia. Only the driver of the car will enter into the calculation of the installation; the vehicle will not need a combat crew - the electronics will take over all the control and conduct of the battle. To this end, its “brains” will be connected with automatic troop control systems using the so-called military Internet - a closed data transmission segment.

    Thanks to this, sources in the military department noted, the new anti-aircraft gun will be able to receive information about the air situation in the area of ​​responsibility both from its regular radar and from more powerful third-parties. And not only ground-based, but also mounted on helicopters, ships, drones or long-range radar detection and control aircraft such as A-50.

    Anti-aircraft robot electronics will allow you to analyze the entire amount of incoming information and, comparing the data, create a single picture of the battle. Then she identifies the most dangerous and valuable aircraft, selects the type of weapon (missiles or cannons) and gives a command to kill, Izvestia’s interlocutors noted. The exact date for completing work on the new anti-aircraft missile-cannon complex (SAM) in the Ministry of Defense could not be named.


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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:40 am

    That is a natural progression from an IADS where each vehicle or aircraft or unit is just a node within a network that supplies information (for A-100 and A-50 aircraft and radar and optical stations) and provides "kill" services like manned and unmanned anti aircraft platforms.

    Vehicles and aircraft with sensors and weapons provide information to the network with their sensors and kill options with their weapons... the problem with a robotic platform is the ability to scan for targets and be able to identify them as friend or foe or mother nature and to pass that information to the centralised control... decisions to engage or not to engage depending on the situation and condition... the platform detecting the target might not be the ideal platform to engage the target for instance... say a Shilka detects a Apache helicopter 15km away so it cannot engage it itself, but when it passes the targets information to HQ it might have a Verba battalion 3km from where the Apache is currently operating so they will be contacted and given target information and instructed to engage...

    It is also interesting... that part about operating in a chemically contaminated area made me think... with a near fully robotic force you could add chem grenades to your smoke grenades and call in chem strikes on your own position if the enemy is infiltrating or attacking your position...
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    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:59 pm

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