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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  coolieno99 on Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:09 pm

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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Austin on Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:37 am

    The Russian Navy Chief confirmed the range of Kalbir/klub missile system is 2000 km far cry from export version of 220 and less then 300 km.

    http://vpk.name/news/54672_gosti_morskogo_salona_v_peterburge_uvideli_korabli_budushego.html

    The next object of attention of the guests was a small patrol corvette project 20 382 "Tiger", who enjoys well-deserved attention from foreign customers. Project 20380 corvettes same type of "quick-witted" and "Guarding" successfully introduced into the Russian Navy, said of the next commander in chief of the layout of the Navy Vladimir Vysotsky. Now fifth ship of this series, but the project 20385, is now being built, and it will be found not only tactical nuclear weapons, and antiaircraft complex long-range strike system "Caliber" range of up to two thousand kilometers, he added.

    "Also, it established an integrated opto-mast. It will be entirely on the active phase shifter, with the scanning signal and the vertical and horizontal, and the primary processing of approximately 500 targets and the order of several tens to a secondary treatment target designation for other ships.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:39 pm

    That is very interesting...

    The thing is that the Kalibr or sometimes Calibr system the 3M14 or land attack subsonic missile in the Club family.

    A range of 2,000km is no great surprise for this system as that particular missile is the same size as the SS-N-21 before it.

    This weapon makes the ships fitted with the USUK launchers that much more flexible and powerful.

    The thing is if the subsonic land attack model Club has a range of 2,000km in the domestic model then you have to wonder if the range of the subsonic anti ship and supersonic anti ship models also have much longer range in their domestic versions.

    Equally you might wonder about the difference in range performance between Brahmos and Yakhont and the domestic Onix.
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    Air Launched Klub

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:38 pm

    Three Russian companies' Morinformsystem-Agat, NPP Radar MMS and Ilyushin, signed an agreement on establishing air launched missile system with the  IL-76 as the carrier reports "Interfax". The missile mentioned is the Klub-K which will be modified into an air launched version. This is a private initiative of the mentioned companies who hope later to attract interest from the Min. of Defence

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/6889/?PHPSESSID=7139fc2cd199df14721fc86a1319a605

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    found a report in English

    Russia to Offer Klub Air-Launched Missile Version
    http://www.forecastinternational.com/abstract.cfm?recno=190229
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:01 pm

    They have shown a mockup of a missile with a Mig-35 I believe...

    Will have a look.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Viktor on Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:05 pm

    MIG-35 and Su-35 too. I thought it was a done thing.

    Missile like that not having air-launch capabilities has severally degraded export potential.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:11 pm



    The 3M14AE weapon depicted above.



    And the large weapon on the inner pylon above.

    Now I realise these are a drawing and a model, but I have photos from an airshow somewhere with the 3M14AE sitting near the Mig-35, and I also remember seeing a video about the mig-35 or the Club showing a Mig-35 launching the weapon... I remember because it was strange because the missile itself is inside a very large launch tube and on release the missile flys out of the falling tube.
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    Air Launched Klub

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:13 pm

    There are ship and submarine launched versions. It's too heavy to be carried by a fighter.

    The K version is the camouflaged container version which they want to mount onto a Il-76

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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:40 pm

    In fact here is a mockup in front of a Mig-29SMT.



    Now I know it would be more impressive if I have a picture of a 3M54AE... like this:



    Of course the article you posted is worth all the mockups in the world... I could make a mockup.

    Knowing they are going to flight test them in the next few years is interesting and more useful than all the photos of mockups I can find... Smile
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:11 am

    It is quit a bit smaller than Brahmos so its size doesn't preclude it from air launch. MoD doesn't like them because they are unreliable and inaccurate.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:40 pm

    Yes, but we're talking about the Club-K which is larger and much heavier than the Club-A (air launched version).

    The Brahmos is yet to be integrated on the Su-30MKI. It will require some strengthening of the airframe and a special launcher. Not all MKI's will be modified to this standard, so you can't really strap on a Brahmos on just any fighter....I've also heard rumours (not sure if confirmed) that it might be a safety issue for the Su-30 to land with a Brahmos strapped on.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:44 am

    Have seen a video of the Su-34 launching a Yakhont, which is 2.5 tons... and that is as heavy as any model of Club.
    The Moskit was also designed to be centreline carried and launched from Flanker sized aircraft and it was 4.5 tons in the air launched version.

    The Club-K is the mockup posted above and is intended to be carried by Su-35.

    The Club, or Klub family includes 5 different missiles and they are the:

    3M-54E - Anti-shipping variant, Basic length 8.22 m, with a 200 kg warhead. Range is 200 km. Sea-skimmer with supersonic terminal speed and flight altitude of 15 feet (4.6 m) at final stage(2.9 mach).[2]

    3M-54E1 - Anti-shipping variant, Basic length 6.2 m, with a 400 kg warhead. Range is 300 km. Sea-skimmer with subsonic terminal speed(0.8 mach). Allegedly capable of disabling or even sinking an aircraft carrier.[3]

    3M-14E - Inertial guidance land attack variant. Basic length 6.2 m, with a 400 kg warhead. Range is 275 km. Subsonic terminal speed(0.8 mach).

    91RE1 - Submarine launched anti-submarine variant, with an anti-submarine torpedo. Basic length 8.0 m, with a range of 50 km. Supersonic speed. The torpedo has a warhead weight of 76 kg. This, along with the 91RE2, are similar to the American ASROC/SUBROC missile/torpedo system. Follows a ballistic path into the surface, speed is 2.5 mach.

    91RE2 - Ballistically launched anti-submarine variant, with an anti-submarine torpedo. Basic length 6.5 m, with a range of 40 km Supersonic speed. The torpedo has a warhead weight of 76 kg. For surface ship use only. The lightest of all variants, with a launch weight of 1300 kg. Speed is 2 mach.

    The mockup in my previous post shows the 3M-54AE positioned below a poster of a Su-35, which is a member of the Klub or Club family, as is the 3M14AE in front of the Mig-29SMT.

    The 3M14AE in many ways is just a Harpoon with a much heavier warhead.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:36 am

    The domestic LR Club which BTW is called Kalibr, comes in a version with a 2000km range. I doubt very much that can be launched from a fighter sized aircraft (including the Su-34)
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:46 am

    Moskit is the air launched version of the SS-N-22 Sunburn and was 9 metres long and weighed in at 4.5 tons.

    The Kh-55 had a range of 2,500km and was less than 2 tons, so unless this new missile has a very heavy conventional warhead that takes it up past the weight of Moskit it could be carried by the Su-34.

    The issue of course would be that it would only carry one, and the Su-34s would have other duties than to launch cruise missiles.

    Will be interesting to see what the modification of the Il-76 would be to allow them to carry and launch cruise missiles.

    Rather than hang them under the wings which creates drag and reduces lift, and immediately screams to the world that it is a cruise missile carrier rather than a transport aircraft I wonder if they might have some sort of internal carriage arrangement... either roll the missiles out the rear with parachutes which could be cut a few seconds after they leave the aircraft to ensure they get clear and then fire up a solid rocket booster to regain speed, or if they intend a more radical arrangement with an opening in the floor to allow missiles to be simply dropped and launched with some sort of automated rack missile handling system to manouver the missiles above the open hatch and throw them down into the slipstream clear of the aircraft...
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    Kalibr missile system

    Post  coolieno99 on Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:26 am

    Club-S missile animation

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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  TR1 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:24 pm

    What I want to know is if Clubs with the supersonic final stage are going to be procured, and the range possible with them. Very potent weapon.
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    What I want to know is if Clubs with the supersonic final stage are going to be procured, and the range possible with them. Very potent weapon.

    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:22 pm

    Well if the Klubs for export have a range of 220km and 300km for the subsonic and supersonic versions respectively, and the 300km range Klub in Russian service has a range of 2,000km, then I would suspect that the supersonic missile would have a range on the order of 1,000-1,200km or so.

    The problem of course is the fact that a subsonic missile with a range of that magnitude will have problems with a moving target such as a ship.

    Of course if you give it a satellite link that updates it in real time about the targets location then the problem is solved to a degree, and in terms of a solution having a long range missile with a terminal attack speed of mach 2.9 at low level is quite impressive performance.

    It simply makes a carrier a necessary component of any naval force as long range detection via AWACS and outer ring protection of a combat air patrol become vital in dealing with such a threat.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:34 am

    Have a look at this model:



    On the left side top is a picture of the Klub cruise missile on the Iskander tactical missile vehicle, but if you look on the right hand side you will see the standard UKSK launcher.

    If you look at the top you will see 8 hatch covers (two rows of 4 hatches) but if you look underneath you will see two very large diameter tubes.

    The standard UKSK launcher has 8 missile launch tubes, but each UKSK launcher is made of two modules each with four launch tubes.

    Each of the 8 launch tubes on the UKSK is designed to hold one Klub or Kalibr or Oniks/Yakhont/Brahmos missile.

    All of which are long relatively slim missiles.

    The vertical launch system that causes confusion is the Redut SAM system, which is for SAMs what UKSK is for cruise missiles.

    Being a unified launcher for Russian Naval SAMs means it has to deal with huge missiles like the S-300 Rif-M and the large S-400 missiles as well as smaller missiles like the new Vityaz missiles based on the smaller S-400 missiles.

    This results in the missiles being carried in different capacities as the large missiles need to be accommodated in the launch tubes, while the smaller Vityaz missiles are quite long, but are narrower and can be put in smaller tubes.

    Because the tube size is fixed of course that means they have special adaptor sleeves to allow 4 of the smaller missiles to be fitted in one tube, so a 14 tube launcher of Redut can either carry 14 large long range heavy SAMs or 14 x 4 of the smaller missile or 56 of the smaller missiles.

    With even smaller missiles like Morfei the number that can be fitted is unknown, but obviously with such large tubes using smaller missiles gets very inefficient unless you can stack them on top of each other and use the full length of the tube.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:47 am

    Though this does raise a question, given the actual range of the Kalibr vs Klub, what do we know about the range of the domestic Kalibr with supersonic section?
    Is it even being purchased?
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:44 am

    Western sources like to gloat over the fact that the supersonic Klub had a troubled start... but then Bulava had a problem start too.

    The thing is that the supersonic Klub is genius... there was traditionally the subsonic cruise missile which had advantages like long range and fairly small signature in radar and IR, and there was the supersonic missile which needed to be fairly huge to get any sort of reasonable range, but to fly supersonically for any decent distance it needed a jet engine which meant it was only really fast at high altitude and it would have a large IR signature.

    The Klub combines the virtue of both systems... it can fly low all the way on a subsonic turbojet engine which is efficient at low altitudes, but when it gets to the radar horizon of the target it launches its rocket section which because it only needs to cover tens of kms instead of hundreds can be much smaller and lighter, yet covers those last few vulnerable kms at very high speed because of the rocket propulsion.

    Brilliant.

    Of course the idea is based on the Alpha cruise missile which was a strategic level weapon of the same concept... subsonic several thousand kms and then supersonic close to the target area to breach the close in defences.

    If it is supersonic all the way then it wont be a rocket unless it is huge... a naval extended range Iskander? The INF treaty does not apply to naval weapons so a 2,000km naval Iskander is not impossible.
    Of course a more likely alternative would be a scramjet model of Onyx whose high speed could increase the flight range considerably...

    One would assume that the Yasen class follow the concept the Russian Navy has been following for the last few years and is fitted with UKSK launchers which means the missile should be Yakhont/Onyx/Brahmos like.

    Remember that they could be talking about the Russian equivalent of Brahmos II, because although Brahmos II is restricted to a warhead of less than 500kg and a flight range of less than 300km the Russian version is not.

    Brahmos has land attack capabilities while Onyx... in its original form was an anti ship weapon.

    With Glonass guidance I suspect adding land attack capabilities will be so trivial that they will likely do it even if they never end up using it in that role.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:11 am

    So what they are saying is that the supersonic Klub missile is ready for service on submarines.

    The UKSK launcher is an 8 tube vertical launch system for long heavy missiles.

    It can carry Klub, Kalibre, and Yakhont/Brahmos/Oniks type missiles.

    The missile called Kalibre is a development of the SS-N-21 Sampson, and is a subsonic 2,500km range land attack cruise missile.

    Two of the other Klub missiles are anti ship missiles that in their domestic models should have much greater ranges than the export versions which are restricted to 300km or less by international export agreements.

    One of those other Klub missiles is just a subsonic all the way anti ship missile very similar to Tomahawk.
    It should have a range of about 2,500km in the domestic model.

    The other Klub is a subsonic cruise missile that has a terminal stage with its own rocket motor that carries the guidance system and the warhead, and according to reports about the supersonic or hypersonic Klub with a range of 1,500km I rather suspect that this is the domestic model of this weapon.

    Very simply it is launched like the subsonic models and it flys subsonically most of the way at medium altitude to maximise range and increase flight speed. When it gets to a point that is near the radar horizon of the target it scans for the target and when it detects that target and learns its precise position it will drop down to very near sea level and launch the rocket stage. The rocket stage accelerates the missile from high subsonic to mach 2.9 in the export version and it covers the last 30-40km to the target at very high speed in a few seconds. (note at mach 2.9 it is travelling at about 1km per second so 40km is only 40 seconds of flight time).

    Talking about equipping the Yasen with this weapon perhaps means they have cleared it for underwater launch, but those same launch tubes can be used for the other Klub, Kalibre, as well as the Yakhont/Brahmos/Oniks missiles, and one would assume Brahmos II developments too.

    There are two other Klub missiles, one designed for sub launch from UKSK launch tubes and one designed for surface ship launch from UKSK tubes. Both deliver a homing torpedo by ballistic rocket at mach 2.5 out to 40-50km depending on the model.

    The source said that the Kalibr supersonic high-precision missile is capable of targeting aerial, submarine and coastal targets, and is effective up to an operational range of 375 kilometers.

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_08_14/New-cruise-missiles-for-Russian-Yasen-class-sub/

    Can target aerial and land targets as well as naval targets... interesting!

    Would be interesting to see a Yasen class SSN fighting off P-8s with Kalibrs'.


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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  TR1 on Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:32 am

    From what I have seen, domestic Klub/Kalibr with supersonic stage has 375km range. Export is 220km.

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    Post  Austin on Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:11 am

    TR1 wrote:From what I have seen, domestic Klub/Kalibr with supersonic stage has 375km range. Export is 220km.

    Correct supersonic stage has 375 km and subsonic LACM Kalbir has range of 2600 km as officially disclosed.

    I always wondered why does Russia develop a Klub for Navy and Kh-555/Kh-101 for the Airforce having 2 different cruise missile is really duplication of resource.

    Better to have a single missile and then modify it for Airforce , Navy and Land Forces like US does with Tomahawk
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    Post  TR1 on Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:15 am

    Austin wrote:
    TR1 wrote:From what I have seen, domestic Klub/Kalibr with supersonic stage has 375km range. Export is 220km.

    Correct supersonic stage has 375 km and subsonic LACM Kalbir has range of 2600 km as officially disclosed.

    I always wondered why does Russia develop a Klub for Navy and Kh-555/Kh-101 for the Airforce having 2 different cruise missile is really duplication of resource.

    Better to have a single missile and then modify it for Airforce , Navy and Land Forces like US does with Tomahawk

    The US made a different missile for the Air Force exactly as the USSR did.

    AGM-86 and Tomahawk are different.
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    From what I have seen, domestic Klub/Kalibr with supersonic stage has 375km range. Export is 220km.

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:58 am

    Different requirements.

    Navy needs something that will fit in torpedo tubes, airforce needs something that will fit in existing rotary internal launchers.

    Next generation hypersonic cruise missiles might be developed together perhaps... simply because of the cost being shared...

    I remember reading from a few sources that the Kh-102 and 101 were compatible with the UKSK, but I suspect they meant dimensionally compatible rather than actually integrated into the system.


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