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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  coolieno99 on Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:09 pm

    CGI video showing various cruise missiles.


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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Austin on Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:37 am

    The Russian Navy Chief confirmed the range of Kalbir/klub missile system is 2000 km far cry from export version of 220 and less then 300 km.

    http://vpk.name/news/54672_gosti_morskogo_salona_v_peterburge_uvideli_korabli_budushego.html

    The next object of attention of the guests was a small patrol corvette project 20 382 "Tiger", who enjoys well-deserved attention from foreign customers. Project 20380 corvettes same type of "quick-witted" and "Guarding" successfully introduced into the Russian Navy, said of the next commander in chief of the layout of the Navy Vladimir Vysotsky. Now fifth ship of this series, but the project 20385, is now being built, and it will be found not only tactical nuclear weapons, and antiaircraft complex long-range strike system "Caliber" range of up to two thousand kilometers, he added.

    "Also, it established an integrated opto-mast. It will be entirely on the active phase shifter, with the scanning signal and the vertical and horizontal, and the primary processing of approximately 500 targets and the order of several tens to a secondary treatment target designation for other ships.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:39 pm

    That is very interesting...

    The thing is that the Kalibr or sometimes Calibr system the 3M14 or land attack subsonic missile in the Club family.

    A range of 2,000km is no great surprise for this system as that particular missile is the same size as the SS-N-21 before it.

    This weapon makes the ships fitted with the USUK launchers that much more flexible and powerful.

    The thing is if the subsonic land attack model Club has a range of 2,000km in the domestic model then you have to wonder if the range of the subsonic anti ship and supersonic anti ship models also have much longer range in their domestic versions.

    Equally you might wonder about the difference in range performance between Brahmos and Yakhont and the domestic Onix.
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    Air Launched Klub

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:38 pm

    Three Russian companies' Morinformsystem-Agat, NPP Radar MMS and Ilyushin, signed an agreement on establishing air launched missile system with the  IL-76 as the carrier reports "Interfax". The missile mentioned is the Klub-K which will be modified into an air launched version. This is a private initiative of the mentioned companies who hope later to attract interest from the Min. of Defence

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/6889/?PHPSESSID=7139fc2cd199df14721fc86a1319a605

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    found a report in English

    Russia to Offer Klub Air-Launched Missile Version
    http://www.forecastinternational.com/abstract.cfm?recno=190229
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:01 pm

    They have shown a mockup of a missile with a Mig-35 I believe...

    Will have a look.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:05 pm

    MIG-35 and Su-35 too. I thought it was a done thing.

    Missile like that not having air-launch capabilities has severally degraded export potential.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:11 pm



    The 3M14AE weapon depicted above.



    And the large weapon on the inner pylon above.

    Now I realise these are a drawing and a model, but I have photos from an airshow somewhere with the 3M14AE sitting near the Mig-35, and I also remember seeing a video about the mig-35 or the Club showing a Mig-35 launching the weapon... I remember because it was strange because the missile itself is inside a very large launch tube and on release the missile flys out of the falling tube.
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    Air Launched Klub

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:13 pm

    There are ship and submarine launched versions. It's too heavy to be carried by a fighter.

    The K version is the camouflaged container version which they want to mount onto a Il-76

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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:40 pm

    In fact here is a mockup in front of a Mig-29SMT.



    Now I know it would be more impressive if I have a picture of a 3M54AE... like this:



    Of course the article you posted is worth all the mockups in the world... I could make a mockup.

    Knowing they are going to flight test them in the next few years is interesting and more useful than all the photos of mockups I can find... Smile
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:11 am

    It is quit a bit smaller than Brahmos so its size doesn't preclude it from air launch. MoD doesn't like them because they are unreliable and inaccurate.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:40 pm

    Yes, but we're talking about the Club-K which is larger and much heavier than the Club-A (air launched version).

    The Brahmos is yet to be integrated on the Su-30MKI. It will require some strengthening of the airframe and a special launcher. Not all MKI's will be modified to this standard, so you can't really strap on a Brahmos on just any fighter....I've also heard rumours (not sure if confirmed) that it might be a safety issue for the Su-30 to land with a Brahmos strapped on.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:44 am

    Have seen a video of the Su-34 launching a Yakhont, which is 2.5 tons... and that is as heavy as any model of Club.
    The Moskit was also designed to be centreline carried and launched from Flanker sized aircraft and it was 4.5 tons in the air launched version.

    The Club-K is the mockup posted above and is intended to be carried by Su-35.

    The Club, or Klub family includes 5 different missiles and they are the:

    3M-54E - Anti-shipping variant, Basic length 8.22 m, with a 200 kg warhead. Range is 200 km. Sea-skimmer with supersonic terminal speed and flight altitude of 15 feet (4.6 m) at final stage(2.9 mach).[2]

    3M-54E1 - Anti-shipping variant, Basic length 6.2 m, with a 400 kg warhead. Range is 300 km. Sea-skimmer with subsonic terminal speed(0.8 mach). Allegedly capable of disabling or even sinking an aircraft carrier.[3]

    3M-14E - Inertial guidance land attack variant. Basic length 6.2 m, with a 400 kg warhead. Range is 275 km. Subsonic terminal speed(0.8 mach).

    91RE1 - Submarine launched anti-submarine variant, with an anti-submarine torpedo. Basic length 8.0 m, with a range of 50 km. Supersonic speed. The torpedo has a warhead weight of 76 kg. This, along with the 91RE2, are similar to the American ASROC/SUBROC missile/torpedo system. Follows a ballistic path into the surface, speed is 2.5 mach.

    91RE2 - Ballistically launched anti-submarine variant, with an anti-submarine torpedo. Basic length 6.5 m, with a range of 40 km Supersonic speed. The torpedo has a warhead weight of 76 kg. For surface ship use only. The lightest of all variants, with a launch weight of 1300 kg. Speed is 2 mach.

    The mockup in my previous post shows the 3M-54AE positioned below a poster of a Su-35, which is a member of the Klub or Club family, as is the 3M14AE in front of the Mig-29SMT.

    The 3M14AE in many ways is just a Harpoon with a much heavier warhead.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:36 am

    The domestic LR Club which BTW is called Kalibr, comes in a version with a 2000km range. I doubt very much that can be launched from a fighter sized aircraft (including the Su-34)
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:46 am

    Moskit is the air launched version of the SS-N-22 Sunburn and was 9 metres long and weighed in at 4.5 tons.

    The Kh-55 had a range of 2,500km and was less than 2 tons, so unless this new missile has a very heavy conventional warhead that takes it up past the weight of Moskit it could be carried by the Su-34.

    The issue of course would be that it would only carry one, and the Su-34s would have other duties than to launch cruise missiles.

    Will be interesting to see what the modification of the Il-76 would be to allow them to carry and launch cruise missiles.

    Rather than hang them under the wings which creates drag and reduces lift, and immediately screams to the world that it is a cruise missile carrier rather than a transport aircraft I wonder if they might have some sort of internal carriage arrangement... either roll the missiles out the rear with parachutes which could be cut a few seconds after they leave the aircraft to ensure they get clear and then fire up a solid rocket booster to regain speed, or if they intend a more radical arrangement with an opening in the floor to allow missiles to be simply dropped and launched with some sort of automated rack missile handling system to manouver the missiles above the open hatch and throw them down into the slipstream clear of the aircraft...
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    Kalibr missile system

    Post  coolieno99 on Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:26 am

    Club-S missile animation

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:24 pm

    What I want to know is if Clubs with the supersonic final stage are going to be procured, and the range possible with them. Very potent weapon.
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    What I want to know is if Clubs with the supersonic final stage are going to be procured, and the range possible with them. Very potent weapon.

    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:22 pm

    Well if the Klubs for export have a range of 220km and 300km for the subsonic and supersonic versions respectively, and the 300km range Klub in Russian service has a range of 2,000km, then I would suspect that the supersonic missile would have a range on the order of 1,000-1,200km or so.

    The problem of course is the fact that a subsonic missile with a range of that magnitude will have problems with a moving target such as a ship.

    Of course if you give it a satellite link that updates it in real time about the targets location then the problem is solved to a degree, and in terms of a solution having a long range missile with a terminal attack speed of mach 2.9 at low level is quite impressive performance.

    It simply makes a carrier a necessary component of any naval force as long range detection via AWACS and outer ring protection of a combat air patrol become vital in dealing with such a threat.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:34 am

    Have a look at this model:



    On the left side top is a picture of the Klub cruise missile on the Iskander tactical missile vehicle, but if you look on the right hand side you will see the standard UKSK launcher.

    If you look at the top you will see 8 hatch covers (two rows of 4 hatches) but if you look underneath you will see two very large diameter tubes.

    The standard UKSK launcher has 8 missile launch tubes, but each UKSK launcher is made of two modules each with four launch tubes.

    Each of the 8 launch tubes on the UKSK is designed to hold one Klub or Kalibr or Oniks/Yakhont/Brahmos missile.

    All of which are long relatively slim missiles.

    The vertical launch system that causes confusion is the Redut SAM system, which is for SAMs what UKSK is for cruise missiles.

    Being a unified launcher for Russian Naval SAMs means it has to deal with huge missiles like the S-300 Rif-M and the large S-400 missiles as well as smaller missiles like the new Vityaz missiles based on the smaller S-400 missiles.

    This results in the missiles being carried in different capacities as the large missiles need to be accommodated in the launch tubes, while the smaller Vityaz missiles are quite long, but are narrower and can be put in smaller tubes.

    Because the tube size is fixed of course that means they have special adaptor sleeves to allow 4 of the smaller missiles to be fitted in one tube, so a 14 tube launcher of Redut can either carry 14 large long range heavy SAMs or 14 x 4 of the smaller missile or 56 of the smaller missiles.

    With even smaller missiles like Morfei the number that can be fitted is unknown, but obviously with such large tubes using smaller missiles gets very inefficient unless you can stack them on top of each other and use the full length of the tube.

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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:59 am



    Is there any place to learn about all family of Caliber Missiles.. the non export version ,ie... the ones Russian Navy will operate?
    and if possible in English?


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    Post  TR1 on Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:05 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    Is there any place to learn about all family of Caliber Missiles.. the non export version ,ie... the ones Russian Navy will operate?
    and if possible in English?


    Very limited info - what are you looking for?

    It shares the same guidance and approach principles, the most striking difference being range.
    We were all suspicious for a long time why a missile the size of Club and with that engine had such low range compared to say Granat...now we know.

    So far we have only info on the supersonic and subsonic anti-surface versions being operated, nothing about the anti-sub ones. Seeing is believing, and no sight of em yet.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:06 am

    So far we have only info on the supersonic and subsonic anti-surface versions being operated, nothing about the anti-sub ones. Seeing is believing, and no sight of em yet.
    The export versions are called Klub and pretty much come in 5 different weapon versions for export... the subsonic all the way land attack missile, the subsonic all the way anti ship missile and the subsonic approach and mach 3 (2.9) terminal attack anti ship model, plus two different anti sub models which both use solid rocket boosters for the ballistic phase and a homing torpedo payload section for the terminal phase. The difference between the two anti sub missiles is that one is designed to be sub launched from a UKSK launcher bin and the other is designed to be launched from a UKSK launch bin on a surface vessel.


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    GarryB, I have a question for you (a couple, to be exact).

    Post  Mike E on Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:10 am

    GarryB, I have a question for you (a couple, to be exact). 

    Do you have any more information on the 2500km range Kalibr (Klub)? I cannot seem to find information on it anywhere! 

    This question is on the same missile, does it have a "supersonic warhead" like the other Klub missiles?



    I think the biggest "threat" to AShMs is the RIM-162 ESSM. Since it hasn't been tested against Russian AShMs, its performance is unknown. Isn't it funny that the Zumwalt class lacks even a single CIWS? It is almost like they want it to be destroyed!
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:39 am

    Do you have any more information on the 2500km range Kalibr (Klub)? I cannot seem to find information on it anywhere!

    The information you read about is all about Klub and therefore about export products.

    Kalibr is not for export.

    Very simply the Soviet Navy developed a 2,500km range cruise missile that NATO called Sampson and gave the ASCC code of SS-N-21 Granat (Not to be confused with the 7 ton Granit of the Kirov/Oscar/Kuznetsov vessels).

    250m CEP of Granat meant it was a nuke only.

    Enter new technology and new terminal guidance and navigation and you end up with Kh-101 and Kh-102 terminal seeker and long range guidance fitted to the old Granit and you get Klub.

    In the export family you have the subsonic all the way anti ship or land attack model with a range of about 290-300km as per international export restrictions. There is also the version with the pointy nose that flys 250km to the target at subsonic but launches a rocket powered payload the last 50-80km to penetrate the last line of defences of a ship.

    The Russian versions are not limited by export restrictions so their anti ship subsonic all the way missile could easily have the 2,500km range of Granat, while their subsonic land attack missile is called Kalibr and also has a 2,500km range and a very small CEP. the main question regards the high speed missile... my personal opinion is that the subsonic section has a range of 1,000 to 1,500km with the supersonic section reaching the same 50-80km at very low altitude.

    Russian domestic models are not revealed publicly and so information is occasionally slipped but confirmation is difficult.

    For a while Naval officials were talking about a 5,000km range cruise missile... the Kh-101 and Kh-102 air launched missiles used by the Russian air force have this range so an upgraded ship and sub launched model is not impossible.

    Plus, they are barely even on more than a couple US ships. The US is relying on the old Phalanx system instead.)

    The Soviets/Russians have always taken anti ship missiles more seriously than the US or Brits... their larger ships have 8 or more gatlings and the introduction of Kashtan was largely to defend against supersonic anti ship missiles.


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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Mike E on Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:25 pm

    Thanks for all the info, that is what I expected.
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    Re: Kalibr missile system

    Post  Viktor on Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:03 pm

    Nice article about Caliber missile system from Charly blog - nothing we did not know but still nice summary  thumbsup

    The accounts of the Russian missile system Caliber ...

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