Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

limb wrote:

mnztr wrote:

limb wrote:

mnztr wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...

Diesels are actually much more complex to manufacture then turbines.

Are marine diesels harder to manufacture  than the AL-41?

It depends on which diesel. This one is for SURE much harder to manufacture then a dozen AL-41s:



Its turbocharged BTW and therefore has a turbine on it.

Im talking about a diesel sized for the karakurt, say a small MTU or wartsila.

calripson wrote:I know they tried Chinese engines on the Buyan class and they found them deficient. Hard to believe the Chinese aren't producing an adequate marine diesel engine in this size.

mnztr wrote:

limb wrote:

mnztr wrote:

limb wrote:

mnztr wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...

Diesels are actually much more complex to manufacture then turbines.

Are marine diesels harder to manufacture  than the AL-41?

It depends on which diesel. This one is for SURE much harder to manufacture then a dozen AL-41s:



Its turbocharged BTW and therefore has a turbine on it.

Im talking about a diesel sized for the karakurt, say a small MTU or wartsila.

Then why would use an AL-41 as a comparison? Other then the metallurgy and combusters the turbine has very few moving parts, an equivalent turbine would be easier to manufacture. The marginal cost of manufacturing should be lower as well due to the much smaller amount of materials, ease of assembly and much smaller parts count.

GarryB wrote:Actually if you are talking about all the engine bits then the titanium parts in the very hot sections of the engine can only be made in Russia and the US... France has offered to let Russia in on engine sales deals for their engines if they supply France with the titanium hot bits they can't make themselves so they don't have to keep buying them from the US.

Shows what sort of supplier the US is that France would make such an offer after cancelling the Mistral deal.

You can't just craft bits of Titanium with a craft knife and close enough just wont do...

Temperatures in a diesel will be much much lower, but a diesel engine will likely have a lot more moving parts that will wear and need to be very carefully designed and made.

China makes these diesel engines but they had problems with them in the Russian ships which suggests they have not mastered production yet.

The Ministry of Defense canceled two contracts for more than 1 billion rubles with PJSC "Zvezda" and recovered almost half a billion. Stumbled over eight diesels. The leaders are already sitting.

The decisions on termination of two contracts, which the Ministry of Defense signed with the St. Petersburg PJSC "Zvezda" in 2013 and 2016, were published by the Moscow Arbitration Court on August 18 and 19. The amount of the first contract was not disclosed, but the advance received by "Zvezda" exceeded 0.8 billion rubles, the second contract "weighed" 0.35 billion. In both cases, the court not only collected unused state money, but also applied penalties.

In the first case, the military did not wait for six diesel units from Zvezda, in the second two. Now the company will have to return about 260 million rubles of unearned budget money and more than 100 million fines if the court decisions come into force.

This is the second scandal in the current year related to the supply of power plants for warships, in the center of which is Zvezda. The previous conflict occurred due to the breakdown of the contract for the construction of a set of two diesel engines for the small missile ship Karakurt, 22800 series. , and diesel units were not manufactured .

In June, the Nevsky District Court of St. Petersburg issued an order on the arrest of the former chairman of the board of directors of Zvezda Pavel Plavnik, ex-deputy general director Oleg Grigoriev and a resident of the Leningrad region, Sergei Orlov. In addition, the court sent the former general director of the enterprise Mikhail Lobin under house arrest. All four are accused of embezzling funds from PJSC "Zvezda" in the period from 2014 to 2015. According to the investigation, the budget money that was allocated to the enterprise as a member of the register of organizations of the military-industrial complex was withdrawn through the accounts of one-day firms. Supply contracts were concluded with them, which in reality were not carried out. In total, the case involves a waste of 142 million rubles.

The execution of the most expensive of the two contracts terminated by the court occurred just at the time when the alleged embezzlement occurred.

Big_Gazza wrote:

owais.usmani wrote:https://47news.ru/articles/199093/

Serious jail time is required.  Throw the book at them, and strip them of their personal wealth and assets to fully compensate the state & taxpayer.  

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

owais.usmani wrote:https://47news.ru/articles/199093/

Serious jail time is required.  Throw the book at them, and strip them of their personal wealth and assets to fully compensate the state & taxpayer.  

I agree with you as for principles but cmon 142 mln Roubles is like 2mil $,  form the other hand its good investigators also follow smaller crooks.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

if you don't punish the "little" things, people won't be scared to get bolder and bolder

True that, yet it would be nice to recuperate some "Londoners" and "dissidents" and their billions . I mean billions stolen by them.