Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

hoom wrote:

No way this is true because it's the dumbest thing I ever heard and there is no way it could ever work

It is the explanation given on Balancer forums.
Most of the responses were along the line of 'No way this is true because it's the dumbest thing I ever heard and there is no way it could ever work'

The only other plausible explanation I've seen is that they're intentionally choosing names that will be nearly impossible to pronounce for English speakers

What if some oligarch or MoD official payed the MoD to rename the vessels because he has a favorite family member or concubine in odintsovo or mytishchi and wants to honor them?

hoom wrote:...The only other plausible explanation I've seen is that they're intentionally choosing names that will be nearly impossible to pronounce for English speakers

Now this actually makes sense

If that's the case they are succeeding spectacularly

Even in Serbian that one is problematic, I just call it Mitsubishi

The 20380 Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov is another strong bit of evidence toward that, though I feel probably just all the extra time typing/speaking the name/more paper used in reports is likely to cause significantly more logistical hurt to the Russian military than on 'partners'.

hoom wrote:The 20380 Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov is another strong bit of evidence toward that, though I feel probably just all the extra time typing/speaking the name/more paper used in reports is likely to cause significantly more logistical hurt to the Russian military than on 'partners'.

Well Aldar Tsydenzhapov earned the right to have a boat named after him but first and last name should have been enough

You don't see Royal Navy naming their aircraft carrier ''HMS Queen of the United Kingdom and 15 other Commonwealth realms Elizabeth the Second''

Maybe they should name an old ship after Navalny ...then scrap it. Lol

hoom wrote:The 20380 Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov is another strong bit of evidence toward that, though I feel probably just all the extra time typing/speaking the name/more paper used in reports is likely to cause significantly more logistical hurt to the Russian military than on 'partners'.

They scored gold with that name

The trouble with that theory though is that it's not possible for Russian-speakers to pronounce it either.

mnztr wrote:Maybe they should name an old ship after Navalny ...then scrap it. Lol

An old rusty busted-arse garbage scow... that would be SO appropriate...

Put him on board first.

Hole wrote:Put him on board first.

yeah make him swab the deck, tow it out to the Barents Sea range and test Kinzal on it lol.

It seems to be taking some time to get theese ladies ready. 5 ships launched since 2018 but then its a bottleneck to get them finished and comissioned.
Its a missileboat, not a destroyer, it cant take 4-5 years to get such a vessel ready.

Is it the diesel engines that are the problems?

Seems to be yes.
Fairly sure the Pantsir-Ms aren't being produced particularly rapidly also.

walle83 wrote:It seems to be taking some time to get theese ladies ready. 5 ships launched since 2018 but then its a bottleneck to get them finished and comissioned.
Its a missileboat, not a destroyer, it cant take 4-5 years to get such a vessel ready.

Is it the diesel engines that are the problems?

Yes, engines have been a problem however they seem to be finally arriving and 2-3 ships will enter service this year.

Cyclon on degausing.

Small rocket ships of the project 22800 "Karakurt" that were "suspended" at Pella JSC due to delays in the supply of engines. "Burya" (Eng: Storm) (factory number 257) is almost ready, but the "Kozelsk" (254), "Okhotsk" (255) and "Vikhr" (Whirlwind) (256), which were towed in 2019-2020 from Feodosia, are still "naked" and they are still very far from being ready. 

Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...

I know they tried Chinese engines on the Buyan class and they found them deficient. Hard to believe the Chinese aren't producing an adequate marine diesel engine in this size.

PapaDragon wrote:
Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...

Diesels are actually much more complex to manufacture then turbines.

PapaDragon wrote:
Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...

Marine diesel is much more than that. It is not a coincidence, that only several countries are capable of building them, and sometimes that all go back to R&R, anyway.
Very often, those factories originate themself directly from the locomotive industry back in the XIX century.
There is a Kolomna-based plant in Russia that is responsible for that and has tons of federal spending allocated for retooling and facility modification.
It should be ready ... about now I guess
And by accident, of course, its newly developed diesel line consists of several types, with the power up to the one that is used with M-507 engines now, for the first time in Russia.

they tried Chinese engines on the Buyan class and they found them deficient.

Seems to have been an installation issue, after mods to the first 1 (2?) there doesn't seem to have been further complaints (20380s had similar issues with their German diesels) & as far as I know all the rest are using the Chinese diesels.

22800 was explicitly designed for domestic engine production with these existing high-speed engines, I don't think China builds a similar class of engine & it'd be a major design change to switch it to the Buyan style power plant.

The inability of Zvezda to cope with the sudden influx of orders is sad but not that surprising, but its definitely disappointing that they're still struggling to put out engines after many years.

Relax folks, the last - 16th in line - was laid down a year ago.
I guess they know better if there will be something to install in engine rooms than we do, right?

mnztr wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...

Diesels are actually much more complex to manufacture then turbines.

Are marine diesels harder to manufacture than the AL-41?

limb wrote:

mnztr wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...

Diesels are actually much more complex to manufacture then turbines.

Are marine diesels harder to manufacture  than the AL-41?

It depends on which diesel. This one is for SURE much harder to manufacture then a dozen AL-41s:



Its turbocharged BTW and therefore has a turbine on it.

mnztr wrote:

limb wrote:

mnztr wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...

Diesels are actually much more complex to manufacture then turbines.

Are marine diesels harder to manufacture  than the AL-41?

It depends on which diesel. This one is for SURE much harder to manufacture then a dozen AL-41s:



Its turbocharged BTW and therefore has a turbine on it.

Im talking about a diesel sized for the karakurt, say a small MTU or wartsila.

ALAMO wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...

Marine diesel is much more than that. It is not a coincidence, that only several countries are capable of building them, and sometimes that all go back to R&R, anyway.

Not really. Finland, South korea, sweden and italy produce marine diesels too,

Sure they do.
You can add Norway, Japan, China, UK, France, Spain, the Netherlands.
All of them have a vibrant and long history marine industry, some of them dating back to the XVI century.
How it applies to 150+ countries existing?