Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

Russian editor: Our space program is entering the “Dark Ages”

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/07/russian-editor-our-space-program-is-entering-the-dark-ages/

I think there is no reason to put Dark Ages in quote but author might simply feel optimistic (smart person wouldn't be)

Oh, and do make an effort to read before driveling "Russia stronkkest!!!" style BS

PapaDragon wrote:
Russian editor: Our space program is entering the “Dark Ages”

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/07/russian-editor-our-space-program-is-entering-the-dark-ages/

I think there is no reason to put Dark Ages in quote but author might simply feel optimistic (smart person wouldn't be)

Oh, and do make an effort to read before driveling "Russia stronkkest!!!" style BS

So, the whining about Rogozin begins.

Overall it all depends on the goal.

I feel that Roscosmos's is currently lacking a real mission.

AlfaT8 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Russian editor: Our space program is entering the “Dark Ages”

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/07/russian-editor-our-space-program-is-entering-the-dark-ages/

I think there is no reason to put Dark Ages in quote but author might simply feel optimistic (smart person wouldn't be)

Oh, and do make an effort to read before driveling "Russia stronkkest!!!" style BS

So, the whining about Rogozin begins....

About incompetent honorless insect-brain moron who says that device that is supposed to deliver people into orbit should not be more complex than AK-47?

Not just whining but also insults and ridicule. I am just getting started.

AlfaT8 wrote:.....I feel that Roscosmos's is currently lacking a real mission.

They have mission, several of them:

1) Develop new manned spaceship

2) Develop new heavy and superheavy rocket system

3) Facilitate scientific projects

They are consistently failing on all three criteria and thanks to The Trampoline Man they will not only fail at accelerated rate but also permanently cease to exist.

Third one they are doing fine in. I already listed one example of scientific development. Other two are not going as well true.

Roscosmos can die for all Russia cares. They will still take charge military wise in the military space field.

PapaDragon wrote:About incompetent honorless insect-brain moron who says that device that is supposed to deliver people into orbit should not be more complex than AK-47?

Not just whining but also insults and ridicule. I am just getting started.

I also found that statement odd, if he was really going for that, then why Angara, shouldn't he be pushing for Soyuz-5?

Soyuz is as Kalashnikov as it gets.

AlfaT8 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:About incompetent honorless insect-brain moron who says that device that is supposed to deliver people into orbit should not be more complex than AK-47?

Not just whining but also insults and ridicule. I am just getting started.

I also found that statement odd, if he was really going for that, then why Angara, shouldn't he be pushing for Soyuz-5?

Soyuz is as Kalashnikov as it gets.

Soyuz-5 is not supposed to be simple at all. Name is only similarity with current model.

Those statements indicate his lack of basic understanding of what his job entails. Rockets are not simple.

miketheterrible wrote:....Roscosmos can die for all Russia cares. They will still take charge military wise in the military space field.

In that case they will be relegating themselves to same fate that UK aircraft industry did after WW2.

All those decades of work, nearly a century of it will be flushed down the toilet.

And if they do that don't think for a second that there won't be long term repercussions for Russia's economy and security.

PapaDragon wrote:Soyuz-5 is not supposed to be simple at all. Name is only similarity with current model.

Those statements indicate his lack of basic understanding of what his job entails. Rockets are not simple.

Well it's really my area, i can only hope that whatever they go for, they also include something like Baikal

AlfaT8 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Russian editor: Our space program is entering the “Dark Ages”

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/07/russian-editor-our-space-program-is-entering-the-dark-ages/

I think there is no reason to put Dark Ages in quote but author might simply feel optimistic (smart person wouldn't be)

Oh, and do make an effort to read before driveling "Russia stronkkest!!!" style BS

So, the whining about Rogozin begins.

Overall it all depends on the goal.

I feel that Roscosmos's is currently lacking a real mission.

Rogozin is stepping on all the right "klop"s and that is why the shrill whine of liberast lies and blood libel is ramping up.
If not for Rogozin, Vostochny would have been a total disaster and not finished to this day. Russia cannot afford
5th column liberasts setting the agenda. Crush them without mercy.

kvs wrote:.....
Rogozin is stepping on all the right "klop"s and that is why the shrill whine of liberast lies and blood libel is ramping up.....

Trampoline Man is incompetent uneducated infantile manchild who is useful for solving crude problems like twisting elbows of his corrupt ilk but putting him in charge of something like Roskosmos is beyond idiotic.

Fact that he is where he is now shows that Russia has no intentions of taking space sector seriously.

Just look at his comments that earned him the nickname. Immature moron completely devoid of any dignity or connection to reality.

You expect this retard to come up with a plan? It's like expecting ape to solve mathematical problem.

PapaDragon wrote:

kvs wrote:.....
Rogozin is stepping on all the right "klop"s and that is why the shrill whine of liberast lies and blood libel is ramping up.....

Trampoline Man is incompetent uneducated infantile manchild who is useful for solving crude problems like twisting elbows of his corrupt ilk but putting him in charge of something like Roskosmos is beyond idiotic.

Fact that he is where he is now shows that Russia has no intentions of taking space sector seriously.

Just look at his comments that earned him the nickname. Immature moron completely devoid of any dignity or connection to reality.

You expect this retard to come up with a plan? It's like expecting ape to solve mathematical problem.

Most likely, Rogozin is the battering ram that is to be used to smash down the corruption and nepotism and hidden private agendas that seem to be holding back the Russian space program.  If its not corrupt private construction companies, or ex-head & chief bean-counter of Dalspetroy, then its institutional malfeasance of the part of Khrunichev dragging their feet on Angara at Omsk, or seditious under-cutting of rivals by the rocket companies in the quest for public contracts.  Fuck, it reminds me of the mess in the Moon Race with Chelomei and Korolovs bureaus fighting each other instead of co-operating on the mutual goal (though in that case, it was about inflated egos and ambition rather than sordid things like money).

Rogozin doesn't need to be a rocket scientist or even a creative thinker.  He just needs to be loyal to the national good and steadfast in wielding the big stick against any of these cock-sucking management numpties who refuse to get off their pampered arses and deliver what the national program requires.  Get it done, or collect your stuff and get the fuck out of your corner office....

Rogozin simply needs to repeat his past actions on getting Vostochny sorted out and apply them to the general program.

Indeed. The target is clear. Corrupt, 5th column management maggots who need to be identified and exterminated.
All the bitching at Russia for "failing" is utter nonsense. It is clear by now that the head is not rotten. It can and will
clean house and get the job done.

People do not understand that the Mecca for these maggots is Washington and not Moscow. This is true for most of
the world including the EU. So American "success" is not a viable model. America did not have a 5th column undermining
its space program. (It has other problems, but that is not the issue.)

On Sputnik Germany was an article that the new heavy rocket (90 tons LEO/20 tons Moon) will be ready (first start) by 2027 and that it will build on the new "medium" rocket Soyuz-5.

Russia will create for the superheavy rocket engines on gas and hydrogen

For the super-heavy-class launch vehicle, new engines will be built, operating on liquefied gas and hydrogen, Dmitry Rogozin, the head of Roskosmos, told reporters.

"We do not abandon the creation of rocket engines with new fuel, and we plan to create a separate program for creating a superheavy-class carrier, and this program will immerse the work on engines running on liquefied natural gas and hydrogen, so this subject remains a priority, and it will is connected with overweight, "Rogozin said.

The fact that in Russia the development of the hydrogen engine for the carrier rocket of increased carrying capacity "Angara-A5B" and the superheavy carrier rocket began, Rogozin announced in June 2017. Then he said that the engine was named RD-0150. The engine is created on the basis of RD-0146 by the Design Bureau of Automotive Automation in Voronezh, taking into account the experience of creating a Soviet RD-0120 engine for the Energia missile. At one time, the development of RD-0146 was jointly funded by the Space Center. Khrunichev and American company Pratt and Whitney.

https://ria.ru/space/20180717/1524752638.html

Interesting.  So work proceeding on the RD-1050 and hydrolox U/S for Angara 5V, plus a mix of methalox/hydrolox for Soyuz-5 based SHLV.

I suspect there will be two variants of Soyuz-5 cores.  An initial kerolox version for launch from Baikonour, followed by a methalox variant from Vostochny.  Its all opaque as bullshit at the minute (as usual) so who the feck really knows....

640 satellites, 25 "Angara" rockets. Grandiose plans for the Russian project "Sphere"

https://topwar.ru/144552-640-sputnikov-25-raket-angara-grandioznye-plany-po-rossiyskomu-proektu-sfera.html

About this number said the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin:

In total it is planned to receive 640 space vehicles for optimal provision of navigation coverage, remote sensing of the Earth and communication services.
For understandable reasons, the journalists before whom Rogozin spoke were interested in what amount of carrier rockets Russia will need to implement this large-scale program.

Rogozin:

It will take at least 25 new Angara rockets. At the same time, this will help to load up the enterprises with orders for the creation of new missiles.
At the same time, Rogozin announced the shift in the beginning of the project for a year: since 2022.

At the moment, Roskosmos is conducting research work to create a multi-profile orbital satellite grouping. One of the components of the program is the so-called Internet of things.

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/110047/

Rostec runs a series of chips for satellite communications, navigation and radar

A subsidiary of the Rostec Moscow research Institute of microelectronic equipment "Progress" — has spent 21 million rubles to start mass production of its chip, which was developed at least five years ago.

In a series of run IC for satellite communications, navigation and radar systems, to their foreign counterparts which, according to the developer, the "unknown". This follows from the tender documents of the enterprise on development and production qualification testing and Assembly of microchips with the quality category "VP". This abbreviation means "military acceptance" — presentation to the electronics of high quality requirements. Their satisfaction implies the use of products in equipment, failure of which leads to "significant consequences."

The definition of the contractor "Progress" made in the format of a purchases from a single supplier with a contract price established at the level of 21 mln., and the time of its execution until 30 November 2018 the name of the contractor on the procurement website now explicitly are not registered anywhere. However, a number of independent from each other circumstantial evidence, for example, the supply of raw materials for the work, it can be concluded that it is "Zelenograd nanotechnology center" (Zelenograd nanotechnology center).

This organization tells about itself as about one of four such centers, organized in 2010 by the state Corporation "nanotechnologies" in collaboration with "Zelenograd innovation-technological center" and the national research University MIET.

At the time of the publication of the "Progress" in the press service of "Rostec" has not responded to Interview questions relating to in what extent in the future it is planned to produce chips, and who can become their direct users.

What is the scheme available

Exact title forthcoming for the rollout of products — chip 1338ХК8У. Technically it belongs to the category of attenuators (from FR. attenuer — to soften, weaken), which in electronics are designed to reduce the intensity of the electric or electromagnetic oscillations. Directly against 1338ХК8.e.e the creators report that it serves to regulate the amplitude of input signals the so-called L-band.

The chip is made in a sintered body. The operating frequency range declared at the level of 0.1 at 1.55 GHz, d — 6 bits, current consumption — 50 mA supply voltage analog part — 5 V ± 0.15 V, digital parts 2.5 V ± 0.15 V, temperature range — from -60 to +85 C.

What needs to be done to the contractor

For the execution of the contract Zelenograd nanotechnology center is required using the "semifinished products" of the customer — crystals and buildings — to produce an installation party in 225 chips, and then the main series in 582 pieces, with the above-mentioned quality of "VP".

In addition, the scope of work includes the development of technical documentation on the build process circuits and the implementation of screening tests. The latter consist of "burn-in" products, mechanical testing, including linear acceleration, and measurement of electric parameters in the range of operating temperatures.

Notable facts about "the Progress"

"Progress" was founded in 1987 on the basis of units of the Institute, "Automatics" and CNIT as a center of computer-aided design of specialized VLSI (very large scale integrated circuits) of the Ministry of industry of communication of the USSR.

SBIS of the company used in modems for satellite communications, apparatus for ATM and ICM, radar, satellite navigation, mobile telephone communications, intra and backbone communication networks.

At the Institute I assure you that he was one of the first in Russia has implemented orders for designing VLSI for such global industry leaders as Motorola, VLSI Technology, Nortel, ST Microelectronics, Star Gold, SGS Tompson, etc.

Robot readies for space ride: Russia to test 3 Fedor models before flight on new spaceship

The robot will be the sole passenger in the launch

MOSCOW, July 23. /TASS/. Russia will make and test three prototypes of the android robot Fedor before a flight aboard the Federatsiya spacecraft in 2022, Project Head of the National Center for the Development of Technologies and Robotics Basic Elements at the Advanced Research Fund Sergei Khurs told TASS on Monday.

The robot’s test flight is scheduled during the first launch of the new Russian spacecraft Federatsiya (Federation) in 2022. The robot will be the sole passenger in that launch, he said.

"The first prototype for the flight tests [aboard the Federatsiya spacecraft] is planned to emerge by mid-2019. Overall, three prototypes will be made. They will be involved in various types of pre-flight tests (autonomous, design development and comprehensive trials)," Khurs said.

Android Technics and the Advanced Research Fund under a technical assignment from Russia’s Emergencies’ Ministry created the android robot Fedor. The robot’s demonstration model under the Rescuer project was made in 2016.

Originally, the robot was known under the notional name of Avatar but it was recently dubbed, FEDOR, which stands for Final Experimental Demonstration Object Research.

The future crewed spacecraft Federatsiya (Federation) is set to replace Russia’s Soyuz-MS space vehicles and is designed to deliver humans and cargoes to the near-Earth orbit and to the Moon. The Federatsiya spacecraft will have a crew of up to four persons. The spacecraft will be able to operate in an autonomous mode for up to 30 days and up to a year as part of an orbital outpost.


More:
http://tass.com/science/1014484

Scientific complex for SIRIUS analog mission to be renovated by late October

The Ground-based Experimental Complex, which will be used in the SIRIUS four-month simulated space mission, will be renovated by late October

MOSCOW, August 14. /TASS/. The Ground-based Experimental Complex (NEK) (located in the premises of the Institute for Medico-Biological Problems, IMBP), which will be used in the SIRIUS four-month simulated space mission will have been completely renovated by late October, said Valery Yesin, head of the NEK, in a conversation with TASS on Tuesday.

"The repair work is scheduled to end in late October, after which the testing of the complex will start and will last two to three weeks. However, we may say already that the complex is about 50% complete, and the process is going on a routine basis," he said.

Now there is work underway to replace the lighting and video control systems in the complex, Yesin said. Video surveillance will be digitalized and will have sound recording. "We are changing all cameras, software and the server; there will be dynamic solid-state lighting, in which each bulb will be programmed and will change the force of color and the color temperature depending on the established program," he said.

The lighting will make it possible to model time of day - morning, day or evening - the expert said. "Scientists, in particular those from the US, believe that it will help increase the crew’s working capacity," the NEK head said.
The SIRIUS analog

SIRIUS (Scientific International Research In Unique Terrestrial Station) is a series of joint ground-based analog missions by Russia’s IMBP and US NASA to study the psychology and working capacity of human beings in long space flights, primarily to the Deep Space Gateway lunar orbit. Participants of the experiment are to spend between 17 days and one year in total isolation.

It emerged earlier that cosmonaut Yevgeny Tarelkin agreed to take part in the project. He will head the crew of six people. All the experiment participants will have been selected by October 15, 2018. It was also noted that millions of dollars will be needed to implement the SIRIUS program.

The first in the series of joint Russian-US analog missions dubbed SIRIUS was held in November 2017 and lasted 17 days. The crew had to carry out 60 experiments, "catch" satellites with a manipulator arm and operate a rover on the "Moon." The four-month analog mission will take place is to take place now, then an eight-month analog and a year-long mission.


More:
http://tass.com/science/1017233

Some interesting statements on RT by Rogozin on reuseability for Soyuz-5 (and SpaceX).

While Moscow is looking into adding reusable elements to the Soyuz-5 to further lower launch costs, reusability is not a universal solution to achieve this goal, Rogozin believes. Musk’s SpaceX, which is currently the only company to have launched reusable rockets commercially, manages to cut the costs by other means, the Russian space boss pointed out.

“Musk’s advantage is not the reusability but that the US government gives him opportunities for dumping [prices] on the market. Musk sells his launches twofold to the Pentagon, covering his losses on the commercial market and killing competitors, who lack such a generous state behind them,” Rogozin said.

Due to its geography, Russia is largely unable to make Falcon-style reusable boosters that would make vertical powered descent to a movable platform at sea, and so it has to follow an alternate path sticking to horizontal landings or relying on parachutes, he said.

“Given our geographical position we lack such capabilities. We cannot bring sea platforms to the Altai mountains or to permafrost plains of Yakutia,” Rogozin said. “Regarding the means to return stages, it can be made ‘plane-style’ or with a parachute system.”

"Plane style" refers to Baikal and the newly proposed light class launcher with fly-back booster.  I'd be surprised if Roscosmos doesn't plan to leverage the previous development work in the 80s to fit Zenit strap-ons (to Energia/Buran) with parachutes and deployable landing gear/retro rockets to facilitate horizontal recovery. That would make a lot of sense for the Soyuz-5 based SHLV variants, and may be applicable to single core medium-lifters.

BTW re SpaceX, its rarely admitted in US or Euro-peon MSM but SpaceX has benefited hugely from billions in direct (and indirect) taxpayer subsidies.  Its quite remarkable how "generous" the USGov can be to a privately owned company.  All those dollars handed over by the taxpayer, yet he/she gains zero equity in the resulting company? I don't see how "free-market" principles are being observed here, but I guess that because I'm not a member of the "Exceptional" tribe, and are simply too stupid to understand the exalted ways of my betters....  

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Trampoline Man still insists on using Roskosmos as a tool for fixing his personal insecurities and inferiority complex over Musk? Oh how it fills me with confidence in Russian space industry...

Someone should tell him that Musk is not even aware of his existence let alone his perceived "rivalry" with him.

Trampoline Man should also know that fact that SpaceX is government subsided financial scam operation does not absolve him (or rest of clowns in Roskosmos) of responsibility for their own neverending incompetence.



PS: that parachute retrieval method he is throwing around? I suggested it here as early as 2 years ago...

PapaDragon wrote:PS: that parachute retrieval method he is throwing around? I suggested it here as early as 2 years ago...

Parachutes were the intended recovery method for Zenit re-use back in the 80s. It's not like you somehow invented the idea...

I posted some pics of planned Zenit recovery back in Post 540. Won't repeat them here.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
oh c'mon you just envy  just  that talented entrepreneur.  Leave him alone he is pretty busy now with bankrupting Tesla

Musk is more busy with his twisted revenge schemes against short-sellers making a quid on Tesla... claiming he has secured funding to go private at $420 when stock is at $340???? Dafuq? Lets assume for arguments sake that he could get finance from the bloodsuckers at Goldmine Sacks and was going to go private - WTF kind of dick move would it be to TALK ABOUT IT in advance? What a joke... It blatant stock price manipulation, but will anyone dare to hold the Golden Boi to account?

Big_Gazza wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:PS: that parachute retrieval method he is throwing around? I suggested it here as early as 2 years ago...

Parachutes were the intended recovery method for Zenit re-use back in the 80s. It's not like you somehow invented the idea...

I posted some pics of planned Zenit recovery back in Post 540. Won't repeat them here.

Well obviously...

Oh and another nugget of pure stupidity from Trampoline Man that I missed last time:

.....Due to its geography, Russia is largely unable to make Falcon-style reusable boosters that would make vertical powered descent to a movable platform at sea, and so it has to follow an alternate path sticking to horizontal landings or relying on parachutes, he said.

“Given our geographical position we lack such capabilities. We cannot bring sea platforms to the Altai mountains or to permafrost plains of Yakutia,” Rogozin said. “Regarding the means to return stages, it can be made ‘plane-style’ or with a parachute system.”....

^^^^ This here my friends is 100% pure unfiltered complete BS.

First of all nobody was asking him about vertical landing approach on sea platform (which by default is idiotically​ and needlessly complicated)

Second, how is landing rocket vertically in Yakutia any different from landing rocket vertically in mainland USA? Bezos and Blue Origin is doing routinely it and has been doing it longer than Musk.

But again, Trampoline Man can only think about how inadequate he looks when compared to his idol.

Rockets hit the ground on predetermined locations. Just clear out that location and behold: you got a landing zone.

He is so incompetent and self-centered that he has reached the point where he is making (lousy) excuses for issues that nobody cares about.

Sad pathetic clown who has been put in charge of the whole burning circus...