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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:39 pm


    Oh and another nugget of pure stupidity from Trampoline Man that I missed last time:

    .....Due to its geography, Russia is largely unable to make Falcon-style reusable boosters that would make vertical powered descent to a movable platform at sea, and so it has to follow an alternate path sticking to horizontal landings or relying on parachutes, he said.

    Given our geographical position we lack such capabilities. We cannot bring sea platforms to the Altai mountains or to permafrost plains of Yakutia,” Rogozin said. “Regarding the means to return stages, it can be made ‘plane-style’ or with a parachute system.”....

    ^^^^ This here my friends is 100% pure unfiltered complete BS.

    First of all nobody was asking him about vertical landing approach on sea platform (which by default is idiotically​ and needlessly complicated)

    Second, how is landing rocket vertically in Yakutia any different from landing rocket vertically in mainland USA? Bezos and Blue Origin is doing routinely it and has been doing it longer than Musk.

    But again, Trampoline Man can only think about how inadequate he looks when compared to his idol.

    Rockets hit the ground on predetermined locations. Just clear out that location and behold: you got a landing zone.

    He is so incompetent and self-centered that he has reached the point where he is making (lousy) excuses for issues that nobody cares about.

    Sad pathetic clown who has been put in charge of the whole burning circus...
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Hole on Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:16 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    oh c'mon you just envy  just  that talented entrepreneur. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil  Leave him alone he is pretty busy now with bankrupting Tesla respekt respekt respekt

    Musk is more busy with his twisted revenge schemes against short-sellers making a quid on Tesla...  claiming he has secured funding to go private at $420 when stock is at $340????  Dafuq?  Lets assume for arguments sake that he could get finance from the bloodsuckers at Goldmine Sacks and was going to go private - WTF kind of dick move would it be to TALK ABOUT IT in advance?  Very Happy  What a joke... It blatant stock price manipulation, but will anyone dare to hold the Golden Boi to account?  

    well its kinda hard to explain to investors who is more stupid: delusional phoney entrepreneur or those who financed him generously

    Musk would have to buy back nearly 80% of the stocks. According to some MSM reports he will lend the money from Saudi-Arabia!!! That means the price tag for one of this "private space missions" will go up 100%. Or 200%.

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Austin on Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:58 am

    "We ourselves with a mustache." Dmitry Rogozin is ready to work with NASA only on an equal footing

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:58 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Oh and another nugget of pure stupidity from Trampoline Man that I missed last time:

    .....Due to its geography, Russia is largely unable to make Falcon-style reusable boosters that would make vertical powered descent to a movable platform at sea, and so it has to follow an alternate path sticking to horizontal landings or relying on parachutes, he said.

    Given our geographical position we lack such capabilities. We cannot bring sea platforms to the Altai mountains or to permafrost plains of Yakutia,” Rogozin said. “Regarding the means to return stages, it can be made ‘plane-style’ or with a parachute system.”....

    ^^^^ This here my friends is 100% pure unfiltered complete BS.

    First of all nobody was asking him about vertical landing approach on sea platform (which by default is idiotically​ and needlessly complicated)

    Second, how is landing rocket vertically in Yakutia any different from landing rocket vertically in mainland USA? Bezos and Blue Origin is doing routinely it and has been doing it longer than Musk.

    But again, Trampoline Man can only think about how inadequate he looks when compared to his idol.

    Rockets hit the ground on predetermined locations. Just clear out that location and behold: you got a landing zone.

    He is so incompetent and self-centered that he has reached the point where he is making (lousy) excuses for issues that nobody cares about.

    Sad pathetic clown who has been put in charge of the whole burning circus...

    Actually, I think Rogozin may be right, and here's why.

    Vertical landing on ground requires a prepared surface (concrete) both to avoid damage due to rocket wash and ejection of foreign objects that may kick up and damage the vehicle, and also provide firm surface for support of landing struts. Such permanent pads are therefore fixed positions which leads to constraints on rocket trajectory that limits payload and cost effectiveness. Past SpaceX landings at same facility as launch requires the booster to adopt mostly vertical 1st stage ascent so that the core can descend back to landing pad.  This is inefficient from a ballistic POV as the U/S needs to do all the work in achieving horiz velocity for orbital insertion which limits payload.

    Efficient flightpaths using a proper gravity-turn result in differing ballistic touchdown points for the 1st stage (depends on U/S and payload mass), so the mobile sea-based landing points make sense for the US.  It doesn't really work for Russia as their spaceports lack down-range ocean areas (other than Arctic).  Landing in forested areas is clearly a bust, and while sites in the taiga seem plausible, in practice it would be  expensive to try to nominate landing sites for each launch, then prepare and setup a cleared area and mobilise recovery service in remote inaccessible terrain.

    You seem to have a real Rogozin issue.  Have you considered therapy?  Laughing
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:32 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:....
    Actually, I think Rogozin may be right, and here's why.

    Vertical landing on ground requires a prepared surface (concrete) both to avoid damage due to rocket wash and ejection of foreign objects that may kick up and damage the vehicle.....

    Nope, Trampoline Man is not right.

    Below is a picture of Blue Origin blowing your (and Rogozin's) argument out of the water (or solid surface)



    Like Trampoline Man you also can't take your mind of Musky long enough to notice reality around you.


    Big_Gazza wrote:....You seem to have a real Rogozin issue.  Have you considered therapy?  Laughing

    No therapy needed.Fact that I see that turd for what he is is certificate of quality.

    You OTOH could start by sending him box of chocolates and some flowers. Who knows, he might be receptive especially given how much love is thrown his way... (for whatever disturbing reason)
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:42 am

    Austin wrote:"We ourselves with a mustache." Dmitry Rogozin is ready to work with NASA only on an equal footing

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    "Roskosmos" ordered a satellite around the clock observation of the Earth

    https://ria.ru/space/20180817/1526738727.html

    MOSCOW, August 17 (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. Roskosmos ordered the Kondor-FKA-M spacecraft with a radar all-weather complex of around-the-clock Earth observation for 9 billion rubles, the state contract, published on the state procurement website, says.

    TsNIIMash has prepared the concept of a new radar satellite system
    "The price of the state contract is set at 9 billion 315 million 519 thousand 100 rubles," the contract for "Completion of the space complex radar operational all-weather round-the-clock observation of the Earth with the creation of the spacecraft" Condor-FKA-M. "
    The launch of the satellite should take place before the end of November 2025 from the Vostochny cosmodrome on the Soyuz-2.1a rocket. The satellite will be manufactured by the NPO Mashinostroenia (Reutov). Due to the fact that the enterprise became the only participant in the contest, before the contract was signed, the antimonopoly service had to be authorized.

    In the period from 2026 to 2028, a second state-owned satellite, Condor-FKA-M, is planned for a separate state contract. Fully grouping will consist of two satellites. The requirements of the contract include the possibility of their joint work with the Condor-FKA units, which are now manufactured by the NPO of mechanical engineering (Reutov, Moscow region). The launch dates for these spacecraft are 2019 and the end of 2020.


    In the "Roskosmos" they told when the launch of two satellites "Canopus-B"
    "Condor" - a series of small satellites of Earth remote sensing, developed by the "NPO of mechanical engineering" for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and foreign customers. The tasks of the satellites will include mapping of the Earth's surface, ecological monitoring and exploration of natural resources.
    The upgraded version of the Condor will differ from its predecessor by a new radar, which will increase the resolution of the survey by about two times - from 1 meter per pixel to 0.4 meters per pixel, a new system for collecting and transmitting information.


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:21 am

    Research module Nauka to be launched to ISS in November 2019

    Nauka’s launch mass exceeds 20 tonnes

    MOSCOW, August 16. /TASS/. The multifunctional laboratory module Nauka will be launched towards the International Space Station in November 2019, the CEO of Russia’s Roscosmos corporation, Dmitry Rogozin, told TASS in an interview. The module will be dispatched to the Baikonur space site in Kazakhstan in December 2018 or January 2019.

    Roscosmos specialists have inspected the module’s condition at the M.V. Khrunichev State Research and Production Center. A number of discussions have been held with the space rocket corporation Energia. It was agreed that the module must be launched.

    "The work has been organized properly. We believe that if no disruptions occur, we will dispatch the module to Baikonur in December this year or January next year," Rogozin said.

    The module Nauka began to be made back in 1995. Originally it was to be used at the ISS as a stand-by substitute for Zarya. The launch was repeatedly postponed. In December 2013 it was brought back to the Khrunichev center due to clogging in the engine system.

    Nauka’s launch mass exceeds 20 tonnes. It can accommodate up to three tonnes of research equipment. The module is equipped with a docking port for Soyuz and Progress spacecraft. Its other functions are to pump fuel from Progress spacecraft’s tanks to the ISS, participate in the station’s attitude control and generate oxygen for six crew.


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:49 am

    Bunch of goodies tonight:

    Source: Resource-P satellite components developer will depend on imports for two years

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    Dima Dima it seems you've started delivering already now:

    Roskosmos will create a new Mission Control Center for lunar missions

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    Turkey and Russia agreed to unite their efforts in the space sphere


    Minister of Industry of Turkey Mustafa Varank and Minister of Digital Development, Communications and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation Konstantin Noskov also agreed on more efficient use of the telescope RT150

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    Scientists of automation NPO proposed to improve the management system for "Soyuz-5"


    The company explained that it was about including in the on-board central computer a satellite navigation receiver instead of a separate device with similar functions

    "The mass of the onboard equipment of the second stage of the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle in the draft NGOA project is 35 kg lighter than the requirements of the terms of reference.The advantages of this option are reinforced by the achieved level of constructive and technological perfection.This takes into account the proposed changes that allow us to put into orbit 37 kilograms more useful cargo, "- says the press service of the company, the words of Belsky, who noted that the approximate cost of delivering a kilogram of cargo to orbit is about 680 thousand rubles, thus helps to save 25 million rubles on each start. (~450k $)


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:17 am

    Perspective Russian global satellite communication system will receive protection from hackers



    MOSCOW, August 28. / TASS /. A promising Russian multifunctional satellite communication system, being developed by the Russian Space Systems (RKS) holding company, will be protected from hacker attacks and space debris, the RCC press service reported on Tuesday.

    "The scientists and engineers of the RCC holding in the framework of work on a promising Russian low-orbit multifunctional satellite communication system have developed and patented a number of solutions that significantly improve its reliability in comparison with foreign counterparts.The Russian system will be protected from hacker attacks, can work for a long time in an autonomous mode and to maintain efficiency at multiple exit of satellites, "the press service said.

    All information of users of the new system will be reliably protected from potential interference using encryption technology. To protect information in the subscriber radio link, the specialists of the holding developed an algorithm that allows to strengthen existing algorithms of authentication and encryption existing in mobile communication networks.

    In addition to protection from hackers, the PCS provided for the possibility of mass failure of satellites. "This can happen because of a flash on the Sun or in collisions with other objects, such as space debris." The RCC specialists proposed solving this problem at the level of the architecture of the prospective system, the spacecraft routers will allow information flows to be bypassed by out-of-order devices and optimally redistribute traffic.With this architecture, it will be able to work even if more than 50% of satellites fail, "the holding noted.

    About the program "Sphere"
    About the program "Sphere" June 7, during the "Direct Line", said Russian President Vladimir Putin. Then he said that in the next few years Russia plans to launch more than 600 communication satellites and remote sensing of the Earth.

    Later, Andrey Tyulin, the general director of the Russian Space Systems holding company, told TASS that the first six communication and remote sensing satellites of the Earth program "Sphere" is planned to be launched in three years, and the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin said that the deployment of the "Sphere" in the year 2022. The satellites for the program are planned to be made not in the framework of developmental designs, but produced serially, which will allow to lower the price and improve the quality.

    Tyulin noted that this program grew out of the project of the satellite communication system RKS "Efir", which was originally intended to include 288 spacecraft, now it will become a subsystem of "Sphere" responsible for the organization of mobile communications and the Internet of things.

    Later it became known that the Spheres satellites would be launched during cluster launches on heavy Angara-A5 missiles, which would require at least 25 carriers. The Sfera system will use small satellites in low orbits. The spacecraft of the system will provide mobile communication and optical observation in real time at any point of the Earth.

    The implementation of the project "Ether" assumed the formation of a consortium with the participation of enterprises of the rocket and space industry, representatives of the telecom industry and investment funds and companies. Creation of "Ether" is provided by the program "Digital Economy of the Russian Federation", in particular, the system was supposed to allocate 299 billion rubles from extrabudgetary sources.

    Rogozin said that Russian President Vladimir Putin supported the creation of a separate federal target program for the Sfera project. Later he noted that the financing of the program will be chosen either a target program or a certain system with a formed regulatory framework to provide support through benefits to private companies so that they come to the project. Rogozin said then that it is important for the Roskosmos to implement the Sphere program not for public funds. At the same time, he noted that around the end of October a draft of state approaches to the organization of work on the "Sphere" will be


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:44 pm


    MOSCOW, September 1 (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. Russia's obligations to the United States under the contract for the delivery of American astronauts to the International Space Station (ISS) will be completed in April 2019, Deputy Prime Minister Yuriy Borisov said.


    "The landing of the Soyuz MS spacecraft in April is the completion of our obligations under the contract with NASA related to the delivery to the ISS and the return of American astronauts from the station," he said, speaking at the Rocket and Space Corporation (RSC) Energia at the opening of the meeting , dedicated to the prospects of manned space exploration.
    The flights of astronauts on the ships "Soyuz"
    In 2016, NASA through Boeing bought from RSC Energia five seats on the Soyuz spacecraft for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS.

    Photo from the International Space Station of astronaut Ricky Arnold
    ©️ REUTERS / NASA / astro_ricky
    The expert estimated the US plans to fly to the ISS on its ships in 2019
    In April 2018, it became known that in 2019, NASA bought three seats, while the agency reserved the right to purchase additional seats, which the organization periodically does. For example, in 2017, an additional seat was purchased for astronaut Joe Aqaba.
    It was also reported about the possibility of buying an additional space for astronaut Shannon Walker in 2018, but then she was transferred to the crew of the Union of MS-12, which will go into orbit in the spring of 2019. In total, the launch of three Russian spacecraft Soyuz is scheduled for 2019: the Union of MS-12, the Union of MS-13 and the Union of MS-14.

    Earlier, Roskosmos expressed its readiness to provide American astronauts with space in the Russian Soyuz for a flight to the International Space Station in the event of delays in the creation of private American spacecraft.

    At the same time, NASA Director Jim Brydenstein emphasized the important role of interaction between Russia and the United States in space. As Brydenstein emphasized, interaction between the countries in this sphere continues despite the general deterioration of relations.
    Also, the Director of NASA called this situation a unique opportunity for the agency and expressed the hope of maintaining partnership relations with Russia.

    Russian engines for American space rockets
    The cooperation of Russia and the United States in space is not limited to the ISS.

    In 1997, the countries signed a contract for the supply of 101 RD-180 engines worth almost a billion dollars. A few years ago, the US Congress imposed a ban on the use of these engines after 2019, but later postponed it until 2022. Right after that, the ULA consortium ordered an additional 20 RD-180 from NPO Energomash at the request of the Pentagon.

    At the end of July, Energomash announced that it had signed a contract for the delivery of another six RD-180s in 2020 for the needs of NASA and the US Air Force.
    Earlier, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told RIA Novosti that Russia does not plan to stop the supply of rocket engines for the space program of the United States, since, according to him, Moscow is not going to act to the detriment of its interests.


    https://ria.ru/world/20180901/1527639684.html
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:17 pm


    Construction of launch pad for Angara rocket begins at Vostochny spaceport

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    Research module Nauka to be launched to ISS in November 2019

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    My theory is that this is an operation by an organised crime element, probably with Ukrainians as the paymaster.  \

    an oxymoron. Ukrainians are those who get paid in such situations lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:51 am

    hehe PapaD should like this one: Looks like Borisov now will keep an eye on Roscosmos closer what should help Rogozin to focus even more on his job Smile


    http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=0&nid=490563

    Deputy Prime Minister Borisov reported on the systemic crisis in the space industry


    BorisovIrkutsk. 12-th of September. INTERFAX-AVN - The Roskosmos leadership needs to address the system crisis in the rocket and space industry, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov said.
    "The current state of the industry, the positions we were proud of, are not in the best situation, this is a fact: they are crashes of carrier rockets and satellite accidents, which, of course, affect the authority of our space industry. called a systemic crisis, "Yury Borisov told journalists on Wednesday. According to him, the rocket and space industry needs dynamic technical re-equipment, transition to digital design methods.

    "Today, the leadership of Roskosmos, the entire rocket and space industry, must systematically approach the implementation of priorities: the creation of the necessary grouping of space vehicles in the interests of the Armed Forces, the creation of a space group in the interests of the national economy, no one closes the road to manned space exploration, the development of outer space, - he stressed.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:34 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:hehe PapaD should like this one: Looks like Borisov now will keep an eye on Roscosmos closer what should help Rogozin to focus even more on his job Smile

    http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=0&nid=490563

    Deputy Prime Minister Borisov reported on the systemic crisis in the space industry

    .........

    I don't like it one bit. I prefer to read about Russian space industry accomplishing stuff instead of making idiots of themselves and their country by association.

    But it is how it is.

    As for Borisov and Rogozin, it's like blind guy leading a blind guy. (No offense to visually impaired people intended....)
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:28 am

    I am glad that NASA told them to stick this request where the sun don't shine but I hoped they would make bigger spectacle of it in order to teach those incompetent pathetic honorless Russian loses a lesson.

    If you want a real investigation then they need to check all possibilities... as usual the Americans refuse to cooperate... how many Russians have they kidnapped and put in prison on trumped up charges, but Americans are not to blame for anything and are untouchable.

    Makes me really look forward to Tourist season... I can tell you... Twisted Evil
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    I don't like it one bit. I prefer to read about Russian space industry accomplishing stuff instead of making idiots of themselves and their country by association.

    he is fixing foults of Rogozin imo. Rogozin should not have accused US astronauts. Even if they did thsi shit doesne matter you dont do it as it backwards to you. BTW Borisov actually said this too.


    Borisov said that the Russian military will transfer to the "Angara" and "Soyuz"


    The Vice Prime Minister explained that all launches within the current state arms program are planned "either at the Soyuz, or at the Angara-1.2, or at the Angara-A5,
    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5556803


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:52 pm

    No idea why such important news like this is not being discussed.. this could change totally
    Russia space program forever.. so for the sleeping zombies that dont know what is happening..
    Today with Russia space program..  read carefully this..


    Russia "Refuses" to Accuse US Astronauts of Soyuz Air Leak - ISS Official


    notice the "" added by me.. so people understand. how serious this is..



    It is "absolutely unacceptable" to cast a shadow on neither our cosmonauts nor the US astronauts … The commission is working, so it is absolutely  unacceptable to make such assertions now, we should wait for the final results of this work and determine the origin of this hole. We cannot rule out that [the reason behind the hole emergence] might be a manufacturing failure. There can be an indefinite number of variants … Today, it is, to put it mildly, a short-sighted and dangerous approach to attach labels and conduct a witch hunt before the inquiry is completed, Borisov said.


    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201809121067964588-russia-astronauts-air-leak/

    So this is the style of Russia speaking is "unacceptable" to distrust the Americans..not now (but maybe later?)
    When Russia makes a statement in SPutnik..about US , every word matters.. and not only the words they say
    but the ones they dont say too..  Russia could have called fake news ,the calls of NASA sabotage of Soyuz.
    but instead they told.. accussation now ,against NASA not acceptable ,we need to wait for final results.  Shocked

    So let me summarize , RT in spanish earlier made a report that created major doubts on NASA ,and that Russia government is investigating if NASA did it.. they even requested to NASA the health and mental records of the astronauts ... if there is no doubts ,, then why ask NASA such a thing? the Sputnik is now reporting the same story but from a negation point of view.. no no we will never accuse NASA of sabotage ,, but... we need to wait the final results.. only those with a brain can read between the lines what is really Russia trying to say with words.. casting doubts on NASA ,while negating they did it. but... investigations continue to have a final conclusion.  Laughing
    So effectively Russia gov , left open the door ,for the possibility of being NASA the ones who sabotage Soyuz. Suspect

    As i said before Russia is hinting NASA did it.. and even if NASA sabotage Soyuz.. Russia will prefer to not accuse openly directly NASA of the attack . And why would NASA sabotage the Soyuz ,knowing this could threaten their own lives? they will never do that? no?  unless the intention of NASA was never to kill anyone ,and were prepared to report about the problem themselves ,when Russia noticed the escape of oxygen. and the goal was only to discredit Russia gov and media ,if they report the truth.. but also send a message to Russia.. that not even in space Russia will be safe.. psicological warfare ,to keep Russia feeling unsafe ,anywhere. probably the same one who drilled the hole , helped Russia later to find it..  That can be possible if all cosmonauts are Outside in a space walk ..leaving NASA inside ,free to do anything.

    A major powerful reason for NASA sabotage of the ISS ,could be to discredit Russia Government and media..
    Russia is accusing US and UK and France of aiding Alqaeda and ISIS In Syria and this is very crazy to believe for
    many brainwashed people.. But accusing NASA of sabotage of soyuz will be even harder to believe.. because they are engineers people with very prestigious careers . and this very same "difficult to believe"  thing , will be a major reason for doing the sabotage in the first place..because if Russia accuse NASA of sabotage ,of Soyuz ,people will find so hard to believe ,that American media and comedy shows will have a field day , calling Russia a "conspirational theorist" or a nation that refuse to accept their failures and blame their problems on others..  This is a disinformation tactic.. basically to do something ,that the average society will find very hard to believe ,so when the event is reported as it happened ,then Russia media and the Government will be Ridiculized as total fake news.

    Knowing how the Russian government works with scandals ,if they dont believed NASA did it ,they will not even
    authorize any Government official to accuse NASA of anything.. but is happening. Spanish RT hinted very strongly that NASA was behind the sabotage and that Russia requested the medical exam of the Astronauts because of this
    and they rejected the demand. So a cold war in space , wait for it..  Russia space program will never be the same
    after this incident.. i predict Russia could cancel cooperation with Americans after this.. or if it continues , then they will be watching their backs ..at all times.. This pose a serious threat to the lives of Russian cosmonauts specially when doing space walks outside..

    They want to humiliate Russia ,discredit Russia as a world power ,isolate Russia economy and also discredit Russia Government and its media too.. this is why all this things happens.. Russian enemies will have many things to gain ,by staging incidents ,criminal attacks on Russia , that will be difficult to explain ,because they were staged in a way that will be difficult to believed when reported the truth of what happened.

    Another hint ,this was an inside job by NASA , was CNN and FOX news and others controlled Pentagon media..
    they were strongly promoting this story ,as a sabotage and pointing fingers at Russia economic problems to hire
    good technicians.. So Western Media was encouraging/pushing Russia to speak about the sabotage.. IF Russia accuse NASA of it , then it will be easier for them ,to discredit Russia government and RT as fake news.. for the only reason that nobody will believe an Astronaut could do such a thing as sabotage the Soyuz.. but any American can be bribed for the right economic compensation. RT and Sputnik are the Only weapons Russia have ,to weaken US and NATO image in the world.. and targeting the credibility of Russian media but also censoring it ,if they fail to discredit it ,will be top on the list things to do against Russia..because strong alternative media to the west , is the only thing Russia have after their nuclear weapons ,that could stop the American Empire.. and even help provoke a revolution in America. Censoring RT and Nord stream2 was top on the list of the british Government after the novichok incident ,is not by coincidence. they dislike the Facts being reported by RT.. is destroying british anti Russian media narrative.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:47 am


    Russia "Refuses" to Accuse US Astronauts of Soyuz Air Leak - ISS Official

    Most likely because they finally became aware what a load of crap the whole fairytale is and they decided to save what little dignity and integrity they think they have left.

    (I said "they think they have left" because realistically they have none left after this)
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:20 am

    @Papa
    Check details before you lambast Rogozin lol1 lol1 lol1

    this was NEITHER Rogozin NOR BOrisov thsi was liberastick Kommrsant...

    Rogozin: spreading rumors about the problem with the "Union" is aimed at undermining the relationship on the ISS



    The head of Roskosmos noted that before the conclusion of the work of the special commission any statements referring to "sources" are unacceptable

    Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov, in charge of the defense industry, called rumors about the involvement of NASA astronauts in damage to the "Union" unacceptable. According to him, the ISS is a single collective, in which there are no political differences.

    Damage to the "Union"
    The newspaper Kommersant, referring to its sources, reported that the Roskosmos commission considers the intentional actions of American astronauts as a priority version of the damage to the Union of MS-09, which in this way wanted to speed up the return of the ship to Earth. According to the publication, astronauts could drill a hole because of the illness of one of the crew members: the urgent evacuation of all members of the expedition from the station would allow him to continue full treatment, and the household compartment in which the hole was found would burn at the entrance to the atmosphere.
    https://tass.ru/kosmos/5556785
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:42 am


    Nice to see at least some vestigial coherent behavior from comedy duo. Could they make it a regular occurrence?

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:38 am

    Perhaps you should practise what any normal human being would think of as normal...

    Collect up all the facts possible (including the unlikely) and then make sense of the evidence and test various theories against the facts and see what makes sense...

    that includes not accusing anyone until you have all the evidence and applying logic to determine what could have happened and what is most likely to have happened.

    You listening May?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:44 pm

    [quote="GarryB"]......
    Collect up all the facts possible (including the unlikely) and then make sense of the evidence and test various theories against the facts and see what makes sense...

    that includes not accusing anyone until you have all the evidence and applying logic to determine what could have happened and what is most likely to have happened....../quote]

    Agreed, Roskosmos and Trampoline Man should try it from time to time, it would save them and their country so much unnecessary humiliation
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:41 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Agreed, Roskosmos and Trampoline Man should try it from time to time, it would save them and their country so much unnecessary humiliation
    [/quote]

    you didnt listen did you? t was Komersant who said this
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:47 am

    He hates Rogozin so much, he ignored the basic info from this.

    Two holes apparently as well, both being deliberate. And the current investigation shows that to final assembly shop, there was no holes. So somewhere from the final assembly to the part were it is in space, is were these holes appeared.

    Someone did it deliberately. Who though? Possibly pissed off employee or Ukrainians.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:29 am

    miketheterrible wrote:He hates Rogozin so much, he ignored the basic info from this.

    Two holes apparently as well, both being deliberate.  And the current investigation shows that to final assembly shop, there was no holes.  So somewhere from the final assembly to the part were it is in space, is were these holes appeared.

    Someone did it deliberately.  Who though?  Possibly pissed off employee or Ukrainians.

    Or laser gun from little green men Shocked
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:25 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:

    Two holes apparently as well, both being deliberate.  And the current investigation shows that to final assembly shop, there was no holes.  So somewhere from the final assembly to the part were it is in space, is were these holes appeared.

    Someone did it deliberately.  Who though?  Possibly pissed off employee or Ukrainians.

    I wouldn't be surprised that US astronauts did this. The problem cannto be solved by telling thsi loud IMHO. First of all who is owner of Kommersant would be nice to know...





    Isos wrote:

    Or laser gun from little green men Shocked





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