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    Post  sepheronx Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:09 pm

    Austin wrote:How will Governement Fund Budget Deficit if they dont have money in reserve fund ?

    One option is for CBR to purchase more forex from market and weaken the rouble to 67-68 USD

    Use the forex to fund deficit

    Another option is to cut spending in 2017 budget to keep deficit as low as possible

    Didnt you answer this yourself a few pages ago on an article you posted that explained the various options?

    Anyway, they can also increase taxes by 1% to 14% flat tax rate and increase extraction tax. Combination of both will bring roughly over 800B rubles. For some reason, you are ignoring a million other options.

    Indias income tax rate is flexible depending on income, going as high as 30%. Russia is 13% flat. Corporate tax rate is 20% in Russia. 33% in India.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:36 pm

    http://m.ria.ru/economy/20151027/1309121624.html?rubric=economy

    What is this CTG? And if it is proving harmful, then why keep it and talking about expanding it?

    http://m.ria.ru/economy/20151027/1308988594.html?rubric=sys_daynews&sort=sortkey

    Apparently Putin getting tough on use of foreign currencies on domestic sales in oil and gas.
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    Post  max steel Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:32 pm

    Next year could be last for Russia's Reserve Fund


    Why A Russian Default Is A Very Real Scenario In 2016 dunno
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    Post  Neutrality Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:17 pm

    Russia climbes 11 places in the Doing Business 2016 report.

    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/27/business/

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    Post  Project Canada Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:25 pm

    guys who can give a short summary of the current state of the Russian economy? are future indicators promising or dismal? is it expected to weather the economic warfare being waged against them by US and its vassals? I read a news on CBC yesterday that oil prices are to remain low for quite a while, I thought ruble devaluation + increased market share "balanced" the amount of income coming from oil exports despite the drop in prices?

    I feel Russia will have a long and stormy journey from now on to protect itself from increased US hostility. and things are only expected to get worse in the next coming years. Russia will need a strong and resilient economy to stand firm and protect its interests russia
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:34 pm

    Project Canada wrote:guys who can give a short summary of the current state of the Russian economy? are future indicators promising or dismal? is it expected to weather the economic warfare being waged against them by US and its vassals? I read a news on CBC yesterday that oil prices are to remain low for quite a while, I thought ruble devaluation + increased market share "balanced" the amount of income coming from oil exports despite the drop in prices?

    I  feel Russia will have a long and stormy journey from now on to protect itself from increased US hostility. and things are only expected to get worse in the next coming years. Russia will need a strong and resilient economy to stand firm and protect its interests russia

    Read the thread.
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    Post  kvs Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:01 am

    max steel wrote:Next year could be last for Russia's Reserve Fund


    Why A Russian Default Is A Very Real Scenario In 2016 dunno

    What utter rubbish. The total Russian foreign debt has gone down 30% in one year. The currency devaluation happened in late 2014
    and there is not going to be another factor of two drop in the exchange rate. That is, the ruble is now at equilibrium and it will stay so in 2016
    and beyond. Put those two pieces of information and you see a country that has more than enough capacity to not just to service its debt
    in installments but pay it off in huge lump sums. What is more likely than any default is that the Russian foreign debt (private and public) will
    go down another 30% by late 2016.

    I guess that would be default in kookoo lala land.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:25 am

    I read the article and his only actual statement comes from political and not economical. He perceives the idea that Russia wouldn't pay its foreign debts off, in a similar concept that Glazyev had proposed.
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    Post  zg18 Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:49 am

    "Non-reforming" Russia Vs "new pro-Western reforming" Ukraine from World bank

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    Post  NationalRus Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:20 am

    zg18 wrote:"Non-reforming" Russia Vs "new pro-Western reforming" Ukraine from World bank

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    Post  Austin Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:42 am

    http://www.vedomosti.ru/newsline/economics/news/2015/10/27/614486-rossiya-gosdolga

    Siluanov: Russia spends on debt service is already 1% of GDP
    Interfax

    The cost of servicing the public debt reached 650 billion Russian rubles. per year, or 0.8% of GDP, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov at the parliamentary hearings in the Federation Council on Tuesday.

    According to him, the Ministry of Finance takes at relatively high interest rates and debt service, "replacing" other costs in the budget. This is another argument in favor of the need to contain the budget deficit, the share of debt service is necessary not to increase, but rather reduced, the minister said.

    "Growing maintenance costs, so once one factor we can not increase the budget deficit, the debt today, dear, we are in the order of 10-11% per annum, respectively, the larger the loan, the greater the maintenance costs will crowd out other important expenses. Today, the cost on debt service - 650 billion rubles., or 0.8% of GDP, t. e. 4% of the total costs, "- said the Minister. He recalled that in the history of the country was a time "when it is not looked at the cost of borrowing, borrowed to the max, resulting in debt service hindered spending measures in the field of social policy, they squeezed all other costs."

    Russia's state debt in 2016 was estimated by the Ministry of Finance, 15.6% of GDP, in 2013 this figure was 11.4% of GDP.
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    Post  Austin Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:53 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Austin wrote:How will Governement Fund Budget Deficit if they dont have money in reserve fund ?

    One option is for CBR to purchase more forex from market and weaken the rouble to 67-68 USD

    Use the forex to fund deficit

    Another option is to cut spending in 2017 budget to keep deficit as low as possible

    Didnt you answer this yourself a few pages ago on an article you posted that explained the various options?

    Anyway, they can also increase taxes by 1% to 14% flat tax rate and increase extraction tax. Combination of both will bring roughly over 800B rubles. For some reason, you are ignoring a million other options.

    Indias income tax rate is flexible depending on income, going as high as 30%. Russia is 13% flat. Corporate tax rate is 20% in Russia. 33% in India.


    Ministry of Finance: The reserve fund may end in 2016
    TASS

    Next year may be the last for the reserve fund, said today at the Council of Federation, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov. "Approximately 2.6 trillion rubles. We cut [in 2015] the volume of our reserves - more than half. All this means that in 2016 - is the year when we will be able to spend the last year because our reserves, our reserves . And then we have these resources will not be ", - he stated.

    According to the October forecast of the Ministry of Finance, the reserve fund in 2016 will be reduced to 3 trillion 379.8 billion rubles. to 1 trillion 249.3 billion rubles. National Welfare Fund, as predicted by the Ministry of Finance, next year will be reduced from 4.9 trillion to 4.69 trillion rubles.

    As of 1 October this year, the total volume of the reserve fund amounted to 4 trillion 670.50 billion rubles. ($ 70.51 billion), the FNB - 4 trillion 878.8 billion rubles. ($ 73.66 billion). At the beginning of the year from the contingency fund was 5.347 trillion rubles., The FNB - 4.388 trillion rubles.

    According to the Ministry of Finance in 2015 to finance the federal budget deficit (2.133 trillion rubles., Or 2.9% of GDP) will be used 2.63 trillion rubles. from the Reserve Fund and the National Welfare Fund, in 2016 - 1.97 trillion rubles. (deficit - 2.18 trillion rubles., or 2.8% of GDP).
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    Post  Austin Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:54 am

    So reserve fund will still have 1.249 trillion by end of 2016 , if things go according to plan.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:33 pm

    Austin wrote:http://www.vedomosti.ru/newsline/economics/news/2015/10/27/614486-rossiya-gosdolga

    Siluanov: Russia spends on debt service is already 1% of GDP
    Interfax

    The cost of servicing the public debt reached 650 billion Russian rubles. per year, or 0.8% of GDP, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov at the parliamentary hearings in the Federation Council on Tuesday.

    According to him, the Ministry of Finance takes at relatively high interest rates and debt service, "replacing" other costs in the budget. This is another argument in favor of the need to contain the budget deficit, the share of debt service is necessary not to increase, but rather reduced, the minister said.

    "Growing maintenance costs, so once one factor we can not increase the budget deficit, the debt today, dear, we are in the order of 10-11% per annum, respectively, the larger the loan, the greater the maintenance costs will crowd out other important expenses. Today, the cost on debt service - 650 billion rubles., or 0.8% of GDP, t. e. 4% of the total costs, "- said the Minister. He recalled that in the history of the country was a time "when it is not looked at the cost of borrowing, borrowed to the max, resulting in debt service hindered spending measures in the field of social policy, they squeezed all other costs."

    Russia's state debt in 2016 was estimated by the Ministry of Finance, 15.6% of GDP, in 2013 this figure was 11.4% of GDP.

    Not bad seeing as they dumped 30% of their debt in 1 year.


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    Post  sepheronx Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:53 pm

    This comes as strange but: http://tass.ru/en/economy/832257

    Israel is seeking free trade with Eurasian Union....
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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:19 pm

    sepheronx wrote:This comes as strange but: http://tass.ru/en/economy/832257

    Israel is seeking free trade with Eurasian Union....

    Parasite seeking new host. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  NationalRus Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:59 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:This comes as strange but: http://tass.ru/en/economy/832257

    Israel is seeking free trade with Eurasian Union....

    Parasite seeking new host. Rolling Eyes

    israeli products will be brainwashing it users or consumers lol1
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    Post  Werewolf Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:55 pm

    NationalRus wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:This comes as strange but: http://tass.ru/en/economy/832257

    Israel is seeking free trade with Eurasian Union....

    Parasite seeking new host. Rolling Eyes

    israeli products will be brainwashing it users or consumers lol1

    What products?
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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:20 pm

    Werewolf wrote:

    What products?

    Very Happy
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    Post  Werewolf Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:41 pm

    No seriosly, what has Israel to offer?
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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:16 pm

    Werewolf wrote:No seriosly, what has Israel to offer?

    Can't think of much off the top of my head....some military related stuff I guess...they're suppose to have advanced electronics (civilian)

    Personally, I think the finance-political 'cabal' will slowly be shifting their wealth from Wall Street to China and Asia....Russia is part of that story by association
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    Post  kvs Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:28 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Austin wrote:http://www.vedomosti.ru/newsline/economics/news/2015/10/27/614486-rossiya-gosdolga

    Siluanov: Russia spends on debt service is already 1% of GDP
    Interfax

    The cost of servicing the public debt reached 650 billion Russian rubles. per year, or 0.8% of GDP, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov at the parliamentary hearings in the Federation Council on Tuesday.

    According to him, the Ministry of Finance takes at relatively high interest rates and debt service, "replacing" other costs in the budget. This is another argument in favor of the need to contain the budget deficit, the share of debt service is necessary not to increase, but rather reduced, the minister said.

    "Growing maintenance costs, so once one factor we can not increase the budget deficit, the debt today, dear, we are in the order of 10-11% per annum, respectively, the larger the loan, the greater the maintenance costs will crowd out other important expenses. Today, the cost on debt service - 650 billion rubles., or 0.8% of GDP, t. e. 4% of the total costs, "- said the Minister. He recalled that in the history of the country was a time "when it is not looked at the cost of borrowing, borrowed to the max, resulting in debt service hindered spending measures in the field of social policy, they squeezed all other costs."

    Russia's state debt in 2016 was estimated by the Ministry of Finance, 15.6% of GDP, in 2013 this figure was 11.4% of GDP.

    Not bad seeing as they dumped 30% of their debt in 1 year.

    Austin systematically ignores my posts and repeats the drivel above. Gazprom debt is not state debt and Siluanov should just shut up.
    Here we see one of Russia's main problems: too many idiots in high places who don't even know to keep their traps shut. The Chinese
    have a saying that the mouth is the source of all calamity and I fully agree. Siluanov's ignorant blather damages Russia's economy.
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    Post  max steel Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:42 pm

    Russia purchased food from Israel amid EU's embargo . Their advance scientific agricultural methods to grow vegetation in even hard terrains and inhospitable weather.


    Israel's exports to Russia amounted to
    $965.4 million or 1.4% of its overall exports.

    1. Vegetables: $238.6 million
    2. Electronic equipment: $82.5 million
    3. Pharmaceuticals: $76.5 million
    4. Fruits, nuts: $75.4 million
    5. Plastics: $70.9 million
    6. Medical, technical equipment: $65.4 million
    7. Gems, precious metals, coins: $51.6 million
    8. Machines, engines, pumps: $39.6 million
    9. Base metal tools, cutlery: $39 million
    10. Perfumes, cosmetics: $34.2 million
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:30 am

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Austin wrote:http://www.vedomosti.ru/newsline/economics/news/2015/10/27/614486-rossiya-gosdolga

    Siluanov: Russia spends on debt service is already 1% of GDP
    Interfax

    The cost of servicing the public debt reached 650 billion Russian rubles. per year, or 0.8% of GDP, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov at the parliamentary hearings in the Federation Council on Tuesday.

    According to him, the Ministry of Finance takes at relatively high interest rates and debt service, "replacing" other costs in the budget. This is another argument in favor of the need to contain the budget deficit, the share of debt service is necessary not to increase, but rather reduced, the minister said.

    "Growing maintenance costs, so once one factor we can not increase the budget deficit, the debt today, dear, we are in the order of 10-11% per annum, respectively, the larger the loan, the greater the maintenance costs will crowd out other important expenses. Today, the cost on debt service - 650 billion rubles., or 0.8% of GDP, t. e. 4% of the total costs, "- said the Minister. He recalled that in the history of the country was a time "when it is not looked at the cost of borrowing, borrowed to the max, resulting in debt service hindered spending measures in the field of social policy, they squeezed all other costs."

    Russia's state debt in 2016 was estimated by the Ministry of Finance, 15.6% of GDP, in 2013 this figure was 11.4% of GDP.

    Not bad seeing as they dumped 30% of their debt in 1 year.

    Austin systematically ignores my posts and repeats the drivel above.   Gazprom debt is not state debt and Siluanov should just shut up.
    Here we see one of Russia's main problems: too many idiots in high places who don't even know to keep their traps shut.   The Chinese
    have a saying that the mouth is the source of all calamity and I fully agree.   Siluanov's ignorant blather damages Russia's economy.  
    The thing that people fail to understand, and may Austin is having trouble understanding, is that state run companies like you mentioned act as separate entities.  If lets say Gazprom or Rosneft claim bankruptcy, then all Russian gov has to do is get another bank to buy up its assets or get another oil and gas entities (lukoil, Bashneft, etc) to purchase it up.  Or it can even fall under a separate name.

    Ukelele or whatever his name is, and Siluanov were the same people, at near the end of last year, who stated that "we need to get out of these sanctions if we want to progress" and other crap.  In other words, they don't work for Russia (at least not willing to work hard for it).  But they know they cannot go directly against Russia's interests or they will lose their heads.  But instead, will just blame Putin's policies and blame everything of the economy on him.  They look for the easy way out without doing actual work.  I think I recall Putin saying that "These sanctions are not gonna be lifted anytime soon, so you will have to find alternatives".  Both these guys are from the same school as Kudrin and the woman at CBR.  Only one school churning out idiotic economists in Russia, as no other school is given a second thought (for whatever reason, since the "higher school of economics" has churned out failures after failures).  Look how Kudrin turned out.  Participating in 5th column parades against the government, against the acceptance of Crimea, etc.  If he is like this, guaranteed the rest are like this.

    Eventually Russia will have to find alternative economists from different schools.  Maybe shut down the "higher school of economics" and find Russian alternatives (since the school is funded by US, or at least has been for decade).  Maybe from some other University.

    I read someone making a pretty good statement, and it was in reference to this whole ordeal that Austin keeps posting; pretty much the guy compared to Stalin times where Stalin told the economics ministry that they need to find new oil wells and they stated that there are no new oil wells and it is impossible.  Pretty much Stalin went further to state that "if no new oil wells found, no (Insert name of politician)".  So that put them into high gear and low and behold, they found new oil wells in Tatarstan region as example.  If Putin said "Find more money for replenishing reserve, or no Siluanov", guaranteed all of a sudden money will come pouring in.

    Austin is worried about the reserve fund.  For whatever reason.  Since the reserve fund is also part of the larger picture of the FOREX.  If they have to borrow more money from the CBR, so be it.  At least the money circulates internally, and hopefully they don't get it too high.  But lets be realistic here, Putin clearly knows what he is doing and isn't worried like Austin is about the reserve fund or debt.  Since overall debt decreased by 30% this year, I really do not know what Austin is getting at.  But I can understand his worries, but at the same time, he may only be fully aware of India's economic system compared to Russia's.  And well, lets face it, those are two completely different economic structures that do things entirely different.  India is a much higher tax based economy than Russia is.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:56 am

    I'll give another example:
    http://tass.ru/en/economy/832381

    So they state the banking sector is having problems, but:

    http://uk.advfn.com/news/DJN/2015/article/68667883
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/sberbank-net-profit-declines-as-provisions-mount-1440596124
    http://alfabank.com/media/news/2015/10/08/
    http://www.banki.ru/banks/engbanks/bank/?id=68683

    You will see that the four major banks in Russia are profiting still.  The shutdown of many banks has been due to poor control quality as well as illegal activities and violations of agreements.  There are of course banks who failed due to having too much debt, but that was due to poor practices than anything else.

    So what the article is saying, is technically just BS.  If they are profiting, then clearly the banking sector isn't nearly as in trouble as claimed to be.  Instead, it is going through a natural process on getting rid of the banks that are clearly none performing and or illegal entities, while the rest seem to be churning a profit.

    What is sad is that most people will not actually do any research and just assume that whatever is being said is the "truth".  All Tass does is just publish whatever claims are there from the government.  Since there are lots of powerful people who do not share Putin's ideas, they will go on to say whatever they want.  Don't know how long that will last.  Maybe not for long as there will be a purge eventually.  But regardless, like KVS said, they are quick at opening their mouths for whatever they deem would benefit themselves, but reality seems to be different.

    Edit: KVS will know this but you know what this reminds me of?  Scotiabanks recent mass layoffs with them stating "things are difficult" when in reality, they had net profit this year: Scotiabank layoff 2015

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