[Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

APS Afghanistan launcher.

Stealthflanker wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

HE-frag Warheads of APS Afghanistan is designation is ZUOF-24G SB1.

what caliber ? 152mm ?

and the image doesn't appear.

The HE Frag warheads are for the active protection system called Afghanistan... they are definitely not 152mm calibre and wont be 125mm either... they seem to be an evolution of Drozd with fixed tube launched HE frag munitions to intercept incoming threats like missiles and rockets and APFSDS rounds...

Started mass production of ceramics for armor "Armata"

Serial production amor elements for the protection of the newest fighting vehicles began in Novosibirsk, reports TASS with reference to head of the Bureau of armor ceramics developer company "NEVZ-ceramics" Andrew Nikitin

"This year the test ceramic-amor completed, all specifications have been confirmed. Now began mass production," said Nikitin on the sidelines of the 3rd international forum "TechnoProm".

The interlocutor of Agency has not specified the volume of production. According to him, the ceramic armor elements will be used for the machines on the platform "Armata", "Kurganets" and "boomerang", and the technique demonstrated in the Victory parade in Moscow, was already equipped with them.

Nikitin noted that the plate of ceramic-amor on a metal substrate to improve protection of combat vehicle one and a half compared with all-metal counterparts.

"For example, armor plate height 24 mm is able to withstand bullets caliber 14.5 mm," - said the interlocutor of the Agency. Thus, according to him, reduced vehicle weight and ground pressure, which increases the ceramic-amor

http://vpk-news.ru/news/25551

Werewolf wrote: Something wrong with this. If India wants a modern tank to sustain and build up their own Tank manufactoring industry then they should ask the russians for help in R&D and not trying to cut short by trying to reverse engineers with their 30-40 years behind state of the art tank manufactoring. Russia shouldn't be stupid and sell such crucial technology to anyone at least not as long their are no new T-34's in prospect or a vast upgrade for T-14.

I believe you have pessimistic perception of situation. Su-30MKI or Brahmos examples prove this is not necessarily true. IMHO both sides benefited nicely. Money for Su-30MKI helped to build Su-35...

T-34 is not in plans of course but was my visualization to support thesis that when India will be happily producing T-14 Russia will be far ahead with own Armor.

Werewolf wrote: but unless you are not planing shooting on Ironman with KE penetrators you are better suited wth even MonkeyModel 72's firing HE-Frag ammunition against US incenstous terrorists in urban warfare.

BS Ironman has non penetrable armor What terrorist you mean Freedom fighters right ?

Seriously, pozhyviom uvidim - if economy and geopolitics will be driving factor here. I am sure Uncle Pu can see that we never can imagine and chooses optimal for Russia decision.

A unique opportunity to "Armata" is that the commander can drive the tank as the driver

[quote]http://vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-12411.htm
The placement of the crew of the T-14 "Armata" protected capsule, in addition to unparalleled security features gives the opportunity to implement a number of other unique features.

So the tank commander from the workplace can not only fire the existing tank weapons, but, if necessary, is able to assume the functions of the driver. In the future this will reduce the number of crew members and will greatly facilitate the ability to create a fully robotic tank.

It should be noted that work in this area began in the last years of the Soviet Union in Leningrad. Then was created the sample tank with the placement of the crew in the front of the machine. On the tank front and rear video camera was placed, than so was provided with a circular observation. Tank was the possibility of duplication of each other.

Thanks to the infrared imaging sight with the possibility of integration of panoramic images, the enemy could be detected and affected both day and night. Greatly simplified the work for automated target tracking.

In addition, this machine was used without crew during management experiments in the distance, on Board a special car.

The tests were quite successful, as a result of this research demonstrated the possibility of remote control and guidance of weapons one crew member. Unfortunately, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, this is a very promising development has been shipped, what is called in the archive.
The possibility of duplication of functions of the crew was also reached on the main battle tank Object 195. This promising and quite successfully passing the test fighting machine had to go into service in 2010, however, the former management of the Ministry of defense decided this tank is not to buy.

But as they say, there is a silver lining, the "Armata" is largely used experience from previous developments: with new approaches and modern element base T-14 left in a distant lead over his likely competitors. Russian fighting machine his appearance made obsolete the entire tank Park in the world, and, given the cost of such developments, we are in this field not able to catch up.

Lev Romanov

Damn Armata with electrochemical gun? almost relsotron

Gun for "Armata": 152-mm gun or elettrotermochimical system?

http://vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-12291.htm
f we talk about the development of a foreign tank, it is unlikely in the next 10-15 years abroad will have seen drastic changes in the tank weapons. According to experts, is a very strong likelihood that Western tanks of the future will be armed with 140-mm guns, over which they worked in 90-e years, and the so-called elektrotermicheskoi guns. Work in this direction is carried out not only in NATO countries, but in Israel, South Korea and China. So, apparently, you can save on the installation of a 152 mm gun on a tank "Armata" and throw all the forces and means to the creation of the Russian electrothermomechanical system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrothermal-chemical_technology
I presume source of energy can be magnetic flux explosive genrator. But technology is still far away...

Nice "Location" Gunship  you made me laugh. 

I would rather see ETC in all honesty, but it is more far-fetched than a 152mm gun. Maybe in a decade...or two

Mike E wrote:Nice "Location" Gunship  you made me laugh. 

I would rather see ETC in all honesty, but it is more far-fetched than a 152mm gun. Maybe in a decade...or two

Sure, magneticflux explosive generators are still far away

location is famous pro western Putin´s opposition and here pro Putin girl


and now you know why Russian prefer Putin

GunshipDemocracy wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrothermal-chemical_technology
I presume source of energy can be magnetic flux explosive genrator. But technology is still far away...

This is too dangerous. The explosive required to deliver required power may still in order of Kg's It will burst the tank, damaging it instead.

If ETC gun is to be sought, pulsed power based on super capacitor source need to be improved. Current state of the art development of the technology is devoted to HPM Weapon (CHAMP).

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Damn Armata with electrochemical gun? almost relsotron
Gun for "Armata": 152-mm gun or elettrotermochimical system?

why not both? and remember the object 477A with its 3 longitudinal drum AL(2 in the front hull sandwiching driver and one between commander and gunner under turret ring)? its AL could hold 1.5m long projectiles !!!! make an unmanned version of the T-14 armed ETC 152mm gun and with the described AL scheme and Holy Shiet that tank would utterly rape anything.

Steel research Institute: armor "Armata" invulnerable to existing anti-tank missiles

http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2024507

According to the interlocutor of the Agency, this armor protects against modern tank ammunition and anti-tank missiles and grenade launchers 100-150 mm caliber
MOSCOW, June 6. /TASS/. Armor brand new Russian tank on the platform "Armata" provides protection from all modern tank shells, anti-tank guided missiles and rocket-propelled grenades, said today TASS in the Scientific research Institute of steel (part of tractor plants").
"Armor "Armata" provides protection from all current and future tank ammunition, which currently have a caliber of 120 mm," - said the Agency interlocutor.
According to him, this armor also protects against anti-tank missiles and grenade launchers caliber of 100-150 mm. A number of existing anti-tank systems can attack targets not only directly, but also on top that allows you to destroy all types of modern tanks. In addition, the majority of combat helicopters armed with guided missiles that fall into the top of the machine, which often protected a much weaker sides and the frontal part of the hull.
"Armata" - heavy unified platform, based on which tank and infantry fighting vehicle. New tanks have been uninhabited tower, fully digital control and insulated armoured capsule, which houses the crew. The main armament of the "Armata" is a gun caliber 125 mm, but in the future it is possible the use of 152-mm guns. As stated earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, a shell for "Armata" "burn meter steel".
Tanks "Armata" were shown at the Victory day parade in Moscow on 9 may. This is a prototype, which are returned to the manufacturer for rework and subsequent trials in the troops to be held in 2016. It is assumed that the mass production of "Armata" will begin in 2017-2018.

collegeboy16 wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Damn Armata with electrochemical gun? almost relsotron
Gun for "Armata": 152-mm gun or elettrotermochimical system?

why not both? and remember the object 477A with its 3 longitudinal drum AL(2 in the front hull sandwiching driver and one between commander and gunner under turret ring)? its AL could hold 1.5m long projectiles !!!! make an unmanned version of the T-14 armed ETC 152mm gun and with the described AL scheme and Holy Shiet that tank would utterly rape anything.

Abrams raped with long rod? sucha rough gay movie

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Steel research Institute: armor "Armata" invulnerable to existing anti-tank missiles

http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2024507

Aha so we have a new invulnerable tank General

The armour would be better then the T-90/Reliket for sure but then some one would figure out tactics to hit its weak areas.

Even the Merkava was deemed invulnerable tank till the Hizb figured out how to deal with it.

Austin wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Steel research Institute: armor "Armata" invulnerable to existing anti-tank missiles

http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2024507

Aha so we have a new invulnerable tank General  

The armour would be better then the T-90/Reliket for sure but then some one would figure out tactics to hit its weak areas.

Even the Merkava  was deemed invulnerable tank till the Hizb figured out how to deal with it.

Well that is not hard, all tanks concept is very thick armor at fron, weaker at side, top and rear. The problem is everything is covered with ERA/NERA tles top and sides, so if you want to hit a weak point do it to the turret side from an angle where ERA and APS is no problem and the Tank has a firepowerkill at least today, let us see how turret looks when it is finished.

Merkawa has among the thinnest hull armor on any existing tank, not thicker than Monkey Models of T-72M1 iraq used.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Steel research Institute: armor "Armata" invulnerable to existing anti-tank missiles

http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2024507

According to the interlocutor of the Agency, this armor protects against modern tank ammunition and anti-tank missiles and grenade launchers 100-150 mm caliber
MOSCOW, June 6. /TASS/. Armor brand new Russian tank on the platform "Armata" provides protection from all modern tank shells, anti-tank guided missiles and rocket-propelled grenades, said today TASS in the Scientific research Institute of steel (part of tractor plants").
"Armor "Armata" provides protection from all current and future tank ammunition, which currently have a caliber of 120 mm," - said the Agency interlocutor.
According to him, this armor also protects against anti-tank missiles and grenade launchers caliber of 100-150 mm. A number of existing anti-tank systems can attack targets not only directly, but also on top that allows you to destroy all types of modern tanks. In addition, the majority of combat helicopters armed with guided missiles that fall into the top of the machine, which often protected a much weaker sides and the frontal part of the hull.
"Armata" - heavy unified platform, based on which tank and infantry fighting vehicle. New tanks have been uninhabited tower, fully digital control and insulated armoured capsule, which houses the crew. The main armament of the "Armata" is a gun caliber 125 mm, but in the future it is possible the use of 152-mm guns. As stated earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, a shell for "Armata" "burn meter steel".
Tanks "Armata" were shown at the Victory day parade in Moscow on 9 may. This is a prototype, which are returned to the manufacturer for rework and subsequent trials in the troops to be held in 2016. It is assumed that the mass production of "Armata" will begin in 2017-2018.

Holy sh*t!!! T-14 has that level of frontal protection from base armor alone?! They didn't mention dynamic protection/reactive armor, so it sounds like they're just speaking specifically about base armor alone, which if that's the case then that's fantastic!!!

152 mm Gun is not needed atm for Armata , the new APFSDS and new Gun would be good for any tank out there for the moment.

I would rather have then build a good Fire and Forget Missile system for Armata or just make a better beam rider with supersonic speed and higher HEAT potential in 1000-1100 range.

Armata monk model ok

No 44SV top steel

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
Abrams raped with long rod? sucha rough gay movie

your words not mine . but i always thought of tanks as female- like ships. i mean you have dudes inside of it and its very high maintenance.
so id say its girl-on-girl action with str@p-0n.


anyway any word on its C4ISR systems?

It is rather unlikely any country on the planet could afford to simply replace all its armour for Armata... even Russia wont be able to afford that... they will have armata, kurganets, boomerang, and typhoon units.

If they do export armata it will likely only be a tank with export electronics and armour and sensors etc.

get your tissues and lotion ready, picture dump links:
T-15:https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMy6K0qWlSVoDBgdftQjXEsKW8nP-7pMIusGr3-ueNP_1L9BkYhJF0fGkFkGc7MUQ?key=VTBCbGo3M1MwTTNha0N4YWlQRlBJaThoenNnR0VR
T-14:https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNuaOftYYhiJMjx1bnfwD3HgtmDi-M-OuJNemYlcZMSowOkfX6-qfOuvu-DgWV1XQ?key=b1lLaHRtWmJBNS1TNlNrbWZOdldSUUxCSHlIOVV3
all credit goes to Paralay, Gur Khan et al.

collegeboy16 wrote:get your tissues and lotion ready, picture dump links:
T-15:https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMy6K0qWlSVoDBgdftQjXEsKW8nP-7pMIusGr3-ueNP_1L9BkYhJF0fGkFkGc7MUQ?key=VTBCbGo3M1MwTTNha0N4YWlQRlBJaThoenNnR0VR
T-14:https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNuaOftYYhiJMjx1bnfwD3HgtmDi-M-OuJNemYlcZMSowOkfX6-qfOuvu-DgWV1XQ?key=b1lLaHRtWmJBNS1TNlNrbWZOdldSUUxCSHlIOVV3
all credit goes to Paralay.

Damn you from early morning pure tank porn  

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNuaOftYYhiJMjx1bnfwD3HgtmDi-M-OuJNemYlcZMSowOkfX6-qfOuvu-DgWV1XQ/photo/AF1QipOnTTftSNFFjJgOXl1bMsWfPQTureC1oLX0qLs4?key=b1lLaHRtWmJBNS1TNlNrbWZOdldSUUxCSHlIOVV3

nice graphics hope some day i´ll see this cutie-pie turret

BTW Half of pics is from Gurkhan Attacks archive



wow wow wow 30 mm after all !
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNuaOftYYhiJMjx1bnfwD3HgtmDi-M-OuJNemYlcZMSowOkfX6-qfOuvu-DgWV1XQ/photo/AF1QipOCeNsaxXL3UjhGMi9FtmTne3X4bgVz2ak-q2N2?key=b1lLaHRtWmJBNS1TNlNrbWZOdldSUUxCSHlIOVV3

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNuaOftYYhiJMjx1bnfwD3HgtmDi-M-OuJNemYlcZMSowOkfX6-qfOuvu-DgWV1XQ/photo/AF1QipOQwYNWmm6z1DlTNhCZxLI4HKAUeG3eykQj1J3y?key=b1lLaHRtWmJBNS1TNlNrbWZOdldSUUxCSHlIOVV3


12,7 mm mg option?

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNuaOftYYhiJMjx1bnfwD3HgtmDi-M-OuJNemYlcZMSowOkfX6-qfOuvu-DgWV1XQ/photo/AF1QipP2Vt7uYh6z1koeFcnckw4k4jfAyAgf9RfwDaMq?key=b1lLaHRtWmJBNS1TNlNrbWZOdldSUUxCSHlIOVV3

even under the one sided biased CFE agreement Russia was supposed to have 6,000 tanks in Europe, so clearly they wont be all Armata based MBTs...

equally Russia does not need nor can afford an all armata armed force... there will be plenty of lighter units.

I don't know if this has been posted hear yet, this seems to be a up-close look of Armata's multi-purpose grenade launcher and examples of it's grenades:






Supposedly this is a photo of Armata's radar:

magnumcromagnon wrote:I don't know if this has been posted hear yet, this seems to be a up-close look of Armata's multi-purpose grenade launcher and examples of it's grenades:






Supposedly this is a photo of Armata's radar:

First two pictures are not Armata but HAPS (Helicopter Active Protection System) with self correcting warheads to counter Stingers or RPG's by Orbital ATK.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150224005136/en/Orbital-ATK-Completes-Key-Test-Helicopter-Active#.VXW1bkZhdmg