[Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

collegeboy16 wrote:
but he did stress that point. in fact he mentioned the armored top cover of the carousel AL;that rounds stored here are safe from sparks and spall and the real danger are the rounds placed everywhere in the tank.

collegeboy16 wrote:
true, its almost suicide to be near a tank when its fighting. makes me laugh about people complaining about the lack of external telephone on tanks.

Werewolf wrote:
The Infantry telephone station isn't used when the tank gets fired upon, it is used to provide information of the battlefield from infantry POW to the tank crew, since they have very limited observation of the field and the infantry might need to prioritize where the tank should provide fire support to achieve the necessary results.

Austin wrote:I would suggest to comment on his blog so that we get response from the author of the article

Austin wrote:What is 2A82 and 2A83 are their two different guns ?

collegeboy16 wrote:
what? wireless radios arent a thing anymore? maybe the men could tap morse on the hull while they are at it?

collegeboy16 wrote:
also, the ad hoc solution of leaving out ammo not in the AL is, as i said ad hoc and not a regular procedure, like dudes sitting on top of their APCs.
commanders have to choose between increasing survivability when hit while halving combat persistence or the opposite. for missions like Georgia the latter would be a much better choice, but for special assault on fortress city the former is better. its also not fair to attribute the increased survivability during the second war to losing the extra ammo not in AL- tactics played a much bigger part here.

Stealthflanker wrote:

Austin wrote:I would suggest to comment on his blog so that we get response from the author of the article

I did.. regarding the penetrator length. Given the turret now unmanned..There's considerable freedom in stowing ammo... It can do like M1TTB (stowing it vertically) or other configurations.. Even "2 stage" Carousel but this limit the length of the penetrator.

I'm still believe though that Grifel was developed for the 2A82. While the 2A83 use something else.

Werewolf wrote:

You are not the only one that beliefes grifel to be 125mm rounds. Looking at those figures that were linked before of roughly having 980-1000 mm RHAe penetration would be rather close to 125mm rather than 152mm. If a 152mm would fire a full length Sabot it would perforate singificantly more armor than just 1m, closer to 1400mm.

collegeboy16 wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

You are not the only one that beliefes grifel to be 125mm rounds. Looking at those figures that were linked before of roughly having 980-1000 mm RHAe penetration would be rather close to 125mm rather than 152mm. If a 152mm would fire a full length Sabot it would perforate singificantly more armor than just 1m, closer to 1400mm.

its the first of several apfsds for the 2a83 gun to use(if it entered production back then)- look at the vast chasm between mangos and vacuums.

Alex555 wrote:Google translate:

The CSRI "Kurs" decided to develop a special set for the tanks on the platform of "Armata", giving the armor seaworthiness, the director of the Central Research Institute for Special Projects Valentin Rykov.

According to him, for hanging of such a complex tank crews take 30 minutes. Furthermore, such a project already exists, but is designed for light technique for remaking for tanks require six months.

"It is only necessary to change the design under certain parameters. Watercraft ensures the safety of navigation at sea up to five points and a speed of up to 14 - 16 kilometers per hour, "- said Rykov.

http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/6/3/748815.html

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Alex555 wrote:Google translate:

The CSRI "Kurs" decided to develop a special set for the tanks on the platform of "Armata", giving the armor seaworthiness, the director of the Central Research Institute for Special Projects Valentin Rykov.

According to him, for hanging of such a complex tank crews take 30 minutes. Furthermore, such a project already exists, but is designed for light technique for remaking for tanks require six months.

"It is only necessary to change the design under certain parameters. Watercraft ensures the safety of navigation at sea up to five points and a speed of up to 14 - 16 kilometers per hour, "- said Rykov.

http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/6/3/748815.html

This article has me puzzled. Are they saying that they'll create an amphibious version of the Armata platform? There'll be some serious challenge developing it, but technology does advance over time. I'm cautiously optimistic, but I'm not holding my breath on this.

...But wouldn't that be hilarious if they made versions of the Armata platform that were both amphibious and air-droppable?!... It'd seem so improbable to pull off!

http://sputniknews.com/military/20150603/1022896127.html

4. Amphibious Vehicles on Armata Platform
Russia's New Armata Tank Can Be Upgraded to Robot - Official
The institute is about to install the new Armata platform onto amphibious vehicles. Marine ships equipped with the new impenetrable armor can go as fast as 14 — 16 km/h, have a sea-keeping performance of up to grade 5 and carry 50 soldiers or 8 tons of equipment. Furthermore, there are rumors coming from "Kurs" that military engineers plan to make the new T-14 Armata tank amphibious. Now that would be crazy!

1. Ice-cutting Laser
Why is the Arctic Important for Russia?
As Russia sets its eye on developing the Arctic and making it a key region in the near future, the institute has developed an original method of breaking the Arctic ice — an ice-slashing laser. The powerful laser will cut through the thick Arctic ice like a hot knife through butter by cutting off the top layers. After that Russian icebreakers can easily go through the rest of the ice.

http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2018034


MOSCOW, June 4. /TASS/. India, China and countries in Southeast Asia have shown interest in the new models of armored vehicles, shown in the May 9 Parade in honor of the 70th anniversary of Victory in the great Patriotic war. About this "news" told the assistant to the President on military - technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin.
Traditional partners of Russia are interested in buying infantry fighting vehicle and tank "Armata", he said. "The interest shown, new technology, it was expensive. Mostly it is our traditional partners: China, India and South-East Asia", - said Vladimir Kozhin.
He explained that represented at the parade in the first place will go to the Russian Armed forces and only in the future will be supplied to the armies of other States. While foreign customers are satisfied with the Russian equipment that comes under current contracts.
On red square on Victory Day in the composition of the mechanized column passed new items of military equipment armored vehicle "boomerang", infantry fighting vehicle "Kurganets", armored vehicles "Typhoon", a heavy infantry fighting vehicle on the platform "Armata" tank "Armata".
The experts noted that the consignment can only speak in three years, the newspaper said.

Mike E wrote:They list "greater than" 900 mm and not just "900 mm"... Big difference there.

My guess would be ~1100 RHAe vs. KE.

Mike E wrote:Yes... The M829 has a penetration of just under 800 mm RHAe at 2 kilometers.

collegeboy16 wrote:

Mike E wrote:Yes... The M829 has a penetration of just under 800 mm RHAe at 2 kilometers.

correction: its m829a3.

the T-14's physical armor should be good enough for at least the next generation of rounds the west will field. if the T-14 itself will field apfsds that will burn through 1m of RHAe its safe to assume the armor should be at least that level.

Werewolf wrote:

HE-frag Warheads of APS Afghanistan is designation is ZUOF-24G SB1.

Stealthflanker wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

HE-frag Warheads of APS Afghanistan is designation is ZUOF-24G SB1.

what caliber ? 152mm ?

and the image doesn't appear.

According to statements to "Izvestia" by the Assistant to the President, Vladimir Kozhin, after the demonstration of new models of armored vehicles in the May 9 parade in honor of the 70th anniversary of Victory in the Great Patriotic War, interest in innovations, and first of all of the armored infantry tank "Armata", were expressed by the traditional partners of Russia's military-technical cooperation.