Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #10

eehnie wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

eehnie wrote: Are you ignoring consciently the message of Lavrov or what? What agreement with Turkey is hidden under the message of Lavrov?

mysterious Lavrov statements not mentioned by Russian MFA or Tass sites? Link to Russian text please. MFA, Official news: tass, ria, interfax....

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201610211046579169-turkey-strikes-syria/

"As for reports of Turkish Air Force airstrikes in northern Syrian regions, we have heard about these statements. We are very alarmed about what is happening. As I understand it, we are talking about attacks on areas inhabited by the Kurds," Lavrov said at a briefing.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201610201046563240-syria-retaliation-turkey-airstrikes/

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Rigth  didnt you say Putin gave up Syria ? and ukrine and Russia needs a leader with deep insight into situation as you?      

You have to prove the first. And you can not because it is a lie. Are you a liar?

You seem to have forgotten why Euphrates Shield was even allowed to go ahead in the first place. They're carving up the Kurds, the Kurds screwed up hard when the YPG went full retard on the SAA. It was a pathetic attempt at Machiavellian strategy, and they're getting it up the arse by all parties because of it. Russia doesn't need the Kurds, support for them was purely PR and charity.

Look, same comments by Lavrov about Euphrates Shield: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201608311044823990-russia-turkey-syria/

It's about maintaining an air of feigned disapproval for the Turkish intrusion. Publicly we still don't like Turkey's role in Syria, publicly we still love the Kurds 'cause they're so fluffy and courageous, publicly, publicly...
SDF are screwed because of this, Kurds mighty cross-border state of Kurdy land is screwed because of this... Oh look the US suddenly seems to be absent its Trojan horses in Syria... Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with their ramped up efforts in "legitimizing" Al-Nusra in recent weeks.

par far wrote:

eehnie wrote:
I thought Moscow and Ankara, had a deal.

All the speculation about this is not real.

C'mon man, it's no that hard:
http://tass.com/world/896854
https://www.rt.com/news/349041-putin-lifts-turkey-sanctions/
https://www.rt.com/business/348613-gazprom-turkish-stream-gas/

Erdogan got ball-busted and he knows it.

eehnie wrote:To the Turkey supporters. What is happening in the North of Aleppo? How do you explain it?

Syrian Civil War Map on twitter wrote:Syrian Civil War Map ‏@CivilWarMap  
Official al-Zenki spokesman: Phase 4 of #EuphratesShield started to besiege the regime who is besieging Aleppo

Syrian Civil War Map on twitter wrote:Syrian Civil War Map ‏@CivilWarMap
Foreign Minister of #Russia Sergey Lavrov: If #Turkey violates Syrian airspace once more - they will face "resistance".

Turkish Land Forces with 9 Tanks(Probably M60T) 200-500 meters entered Harem, Idlib from Hatay. Those Tanks near Atme village. Turkish Air Force bombed some YPG positions in Afrin a several days ago. Defense Ministry of Syria warned us about this bombardment and said ''more than 150 civilians died in bombardment by Turkish Air Force but General Staff of Turkey said ''160-200 YPG/PKK terrorists died in this air strike''.

OminousSpudd wrote:

eehnie wrote:

par far wrote:
I thought Moscow and Ankara, had a deal.

All the speculation about this is not real.

C'mon man, it's no that hard:
http://tass.com/world/896854
https://www.rt.com/news/349041-putin-lifts-turkey-sanctions/
https://www.rt.com/business/348613-gazprom-turkish-stream-gas/

Erdogan got ball-busted and he knows it.

In this message the quotes are right, in your message wrong. Better if you keep the quotes like they are and do not change who writes every thing. It's not that hard.

Russia tried to keep the relations with Turkey in not hostile terms. What else? The rest is wishful thinking. Turkey has not the permission of Russia to invade Iraq or Syria. Russia has not the permission of Turkey to help to the Syrian government (and need not it).

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-turkey-idUSKCN0WF0I3
http://orient-news.net/en/news_show/108101/0/Lavrov-Turkey-must-stop-meddling-in-other-states-affairs-end-support-of-terrorism
https://www.rt.com/news/344973-lavrov-turkey-iraq-kurds/

Never trust the Turks

eehnie wrote: https://sputniknews.com/politics/201610211046579169-turkey-strikes-syria/

"As for reports of Turkish Air Force airstrikes in northern Syrian regions, we have heard about these statements. We are very alarmed about what is happening. As I understand it, we are talking about attacks on areas inhabited by the Kurds," Lavrov said at a briefing.

And precisely where he was talking about shooting down Turkish planes? C´mon what Lavrov can say?  bomb Kurds as long as they are with US you got green light from us?

eehnie wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Rigth  didnt you say Putin gave up Syria ? and ukrine and Russia needs a leader with deep insight into situation as you?      

You have to prove the first. And you can not because it is a lie. Are you a liar?

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Frankly? your posts are so alike full with emotions little with content so I respectfully let you find those posts

Regarding Turks and Kurds I will simply quote OminousSpudd here because this is best possible explanation:

You seem to have forgotten why Euphrates Shield was even allowed to go ahead in the first place. They're carving up the Kurds, the Kurds screwed up hard when the YPG went full retard on the SAA. It was a pathetic attempt at Machiavellian strategy, and they're getting it up the arse by all parties because of it. Russia doesn't need the Kurds, support for them was purely PR and charity.

Kurds had ample opportunity to do both right and smart thing here. Instead they chose course of action so unbelievably stupid it will go down in history as one of greatest political and military f*ckups in recent human history. Probably even earlier.

Su-24 ambush and Castello Road shelling prove that Kurds and Turks definitely deserve each other so they should both get what they deserve. At least Turks can provide some financial benefit for Russia in exchange for putting up with their nonsense.

PapaDragon wrote:
Regarding Turks and Kurds I will simply quote OminousSpudd here because this is best possible explanation:

You seem to have forgotten why Euphrates Shield was even allowed to go ahead in the first place. They're carving up the Kurds, the Kurds screwed up hard when the YPG went full retard on the SAA. It was a pathetic attempt at Machiavellian strategy, and they're getting it up the arse by all parties because of it. Russia doesn't need the Kurds, support for them was purely PR and charity.

Kurds had ample opportunity to do both right and smart thing here. Instead they chose course of action so unbelievably stupid it will go down in history as one of greatest political and military f*ckups in recent human history. Probably even earlier.

Su-24 ambush and Castello Road shelling prove that Kurds and Turks definitely deserve each other so they should both get what they deserve. At least Turks can provide some financial benefit for Russia in exchange for putting up with their nonsense.

Don't Forget the Cheesy Kurds and the Stuffed Turkeys worked hand-and-hand to eradicate Armenians from their historical lands...no one should shed tears for anyone, just grab the popcorn!

Spudd's take on Russia & Euphrates Shield makes the most sense to me. Someone had to bust down the Kurdish rebels, and Turkey is the perfect candidate for it. Too much negative publicity if Russia touches a hair on that pretty little head. Not so good for SAA either. If Kurdish rebels had shown better capacity for loyalty, maybe they could've angled for a region with limited sovereignty. But, instead, they've demonstrated themselves all-too-willing to carry water for the US regime-changers.

As I look at the present state of Russia/Turkey relations, trade and development are back on, grins, handshakes, etc. There's no talk about brakes being put back on any of that. So, Russia must ultimately be on board with these particular Turkish shenanigans.

However, what's happening behind the scenes remains ever murky, and Turks remain their famously duplicitous selves, so the worm may yet turn.

YPG's foolish policy of going after SAA +allied Christian militias in Hasaka and Qamisli got them in all sorts of geopolitical trouble. I'm not the only person noticing YPG's Aleppo pocket being slowly but surely encircled by SAA & friends. Al Bab and surroundings comes down to how far Russia will let Turkey go with this. I guess either an F-16 ''malfunctioning'' over Syria or IS withdrawing from the city (letting the Sabras in) will be good indicators of the Russian choice.

BKP wrote:Spudd's take on Russia & Euphrates Shield makes the most sense to me. Someone had to bust down the Kurdish rebels, and Turkey is the perfect candidate for it. Too much negative publicity if Russia touches a hair on that pretty little head. Not so good for SAA either. If Kurdish rebels had shown better capacity for loyalty, maybe they could've angled for a region with limited sovereignty. But, instead, they've demonstrated themselves all-too-willing to carry water for the US regime-changers.

As I look at the present state of Russia/Turkey relations, trade and development are back on, grins, handshakes, etc. There's no talk about brakes being put back on any of that. So, Russia must ultimately be on board with these particular Turkish shenanigans.

However, what's happening behind the scenes remains ever murky, and Turks remain their famously duplicitous selves, so the worm may yet turn.

Nope, you see the issue is that Turkey has failed to get what it wanted, which is a solid buffer between both Kurdish cantons. Which is mainly due to their sexy ladies of the FSA being shit. Also ISIS hasn't been exactly cooperative with their shitty seek and hide shenanigans. This means that in order to have that FSA buffer solid, Turkey need to find the ISIS actual strength, but also keep the Kurds busy. Which means Turkey needs to go deeper into Syria that the agreed area.

This goes against FSA's goal to open a backdoor towards Aleppo, because while Turkey has no issue pounding ISIS and the Kurds, there's nothing it can do to help the Ladyboys of the FSA get close to the SAA, lest they want to pick up F16 remnants. Kurds aren't stupid, they've understood the point of the Faggot army and they're moving to create a buffer and by that move to have basically Russia act as their airforce to stop The Free Tramps Army. Kurds aren't stupid. They will do everything to stay alive.

Russian Navy put up a floating barrier around part of Tartus port.

http://charly015.blogspot.com/2016/10/barrera-de-seguridad-en-el-puerto-de.html

KoTeMoRe wrote:

BKP wrote:Spudd's take on Russia & Euphrates Shield makes the most sense to me. Someone had to bust down the Kurdish rebels, and Turkey is the perfect candidate for it. Too much negative publicity if Russia touches a hair on that pretty little head. Not so good for SAA either. If Kurdish rebels had shown better capacity for loyalty, maybe they could've angled for a region with limited sovereignty. But, instead, they've demonstrated themselves all-too-willing to carry water for the US regime-changers.

As I look at the present state of Russia/Turkey relations, trade and development are back on, grins, handshakes, etc. There's no talk about brakes being put back on any of that. So, Russia must ultimately be on board with these particular Turkish shenanigans.

However, what's happening behind the scenes remains ever murky, and Turks remain their famously duplicitous selves, so the worm may yet turn.

Nope, you see the issue is that Turkey has failed to get what it wanted, which is a solid buffer between both Kurdish cantons. Which is mainly due to their sexy ladies of the FSA being shit. Also ISIS hasn't been exactly cooperative with their shitty seek and hide shenanigans. This means that in order to have that FSA buffer solid, Turkey need to find the ISIS actual strength, but also keep the Kurds busy. Which means Turkey needs to go deeper into Syria that the agreed area.

This goes against FSA's goal to open a backdoor towards Aleppo, because while Turkey has no issue pounding ISIS and the Kurds, there's nothing it can do to help the Ladyboys of the FSA get close to the SAA, lest they want to pick up F16 remnants. Kurds aren't stupid, they've understood the point of the Faggot army and they're moving to create a buffer and by that move to have basically Russia act as their airforce to stop The Free Tramps Army. Kurds aren't stupid. They will do everything to stay alive.

That's deep man. So, according to your take, what's Russia's real disposition to OES? Is the (apparently) tolerating disapproval to be taken at face value? Or, is the disapproval delivered with a wink, as OES, either intentionally or inadvertently, helps to block assistance to the doomed beardies now playing out the final inning at the big A?

Флаг Сирийской Арабской Республики на ТАВКР «Адмирал флота Советского Союза Кузнецов»
Syrian flag on Kuznetsov

BKP wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

BKP wrote:Spudd's take on Russia & Euphrates Shield makes the most sense to me. Someone had to bust down the Kurdish rebels, and Turkey is the perfect candidate for it. Too much negative publicity if Russia touches a hair on that pretty little head. Not so good for SAA either. If Kurdish rebels had shown better capacity for loyalty, maybe they could've angled for a region with limited sovereignty. But, instead, they've demonstrated themselves all-too-willing to carry water for the US regime-changers.

As I look at the present state of Russia/Turkey relations, trade and development are back on, grins, handshakes, etc. There's no talk about brakes being put back on any of that. So, Russia must ultimately be on board with these particular Turkish shenanigans.

However, what's happening behind the scenes remains ever murky, and Turks remain their famously duplicitous selves, so the worm may yet turn.

Nope, you see the issue is that Turkey has failed to get what it wanted, which is a solid buffer between both Kurdish cantons. Which is mainly due to their sexy ladies of the FSA being shit. Also ISIS hasn't been exactly cooperative with their shitty seek and hide shenanigans. This means that in order to have that FSA buffer solid, Turkey need to find the ISIS actual strength, but also keep the Kurds busy. Which means Turkey needs to go deeper into Syria that the agreed area.

This goes against FSA's goal to open a backdoor towards Aleppo, because while Turkey has no issue pounding ISIS and the Kurds, there's nothing it can do to help the Ladyboys of the FSA get close to the SAA, lest they want to pick up F16 remnants. Kurds aren't stupid, they've understood the point of the Faggot army and they're moving to create a buffer and by that move to have basically Russia act as their airforce to stop The Free Tramps Army. Kurds aren't stupid. They will do everything to stay alive.

That's deep man. So, according to your take, what's Russia's real disposition to OES? Is the (apparently) tolerating disapproval to be taken at face value? Or, is the disapproval delivered with a wink, as OES, either intentionally or inadvertently, helps to block assistance to the doomed beardies now playing out the final inning at the big A?

Russia agreed to have Turkey put a wedge between both Kurdish areas. Which Turkey did. However, you can see that in order to get that wedge to hold, Turkey had to at least take out one of the threats. First and most "easy" threat to treat was ISIS, which basically GTFO deeper into Syrian territory. So now that the second threat is the YPG and they are the easiest to find and hit, the Turks are exposed.

1. They indeed had a deal with Russia about a certain area of expansion.
2. They have reached that area's limit and are looking at their objectives. So far they're lacking.

Which gives the current situation. Tukey needs the buffer area to hold. FSA can't guarantee that, the US will not push further with the FSA, Turkey can't push either. Kurds dance on their heads and the FSA makes bullshit videos about how they rule. But in reality they are lame ducks.

Turkey will be forced to continuously re-enter Syria to have their Ladyboys hold what ever they need to hold. Basically Turkey reached its "quagmire" moment.

JohninMK wrote:

calm wrote:Флаг Сирийской Арабской Республики на ТАВКР «Адмирал флота Советского Союза Кузнецов»
Syrian flag on Kuznetsov

Which year's visit was that taken on?

2009/2013

My Mistake...

Sorry to ruin things here guys, but just wanted to know if what this guy says about the use of thermobaric bombs being banned was true?
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Thermobaric stuff is perfectly legal. Open flame is not and replacing it is why thermobaric weaponry was invented in the first place.

If white phosphorus is legal than this is perfectly humane. No mutilation, just instant afterlife.

AlfaT8 wrote:Sorry to ruin things here guys, but just wanted to know if what this guy says about the use of thermobaric bombs being banned was true?
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You do realize Al_Jizz_Smeara is a black propaganda outlet funded the Qatari House of Thani, and forget about the English version, Al Jizz Smeara Arabic sounds exactly like Jihadi propaganda.

This could go in several threads.

Article by Konstantin Shchemelinin about potential consequences of a Clinton victory. http://www.segodnia.ru/content/180904

He quotes Huntington that "The West conquered the world not because of the superiority of their ideas, values or religion, but by applying organized violence". He says that we should not fear that America will use force, but know that they will use force anyway. He then makes what I think is a simplistic conclusion that as the 1991 and 2003 invasions of Iraq occurred in the first three months of the year, then America will act between Clinton's inaugaration on January 17 and end of March. Tho the weather conditions are optimal for waging war in the region at that time of year. He then writes that America will essentially "play chicken" with Russia in Syria by directly attacking Assad's forces and forcing Russia either to shoot down American missiles or aircraft, and so rapidly slide to cold war if not WWIII. In his scenario, Shchemelinin has Russia not risking open confrontation with America and so letting Assad be defeated and consequent withdrawl of Russian forces in Syria. Then, after geopolitical defeat of Russia over Syria, America will pour significant amount of weapons into Ukraine, and in summer 2017 the Kiev offensive to retake Donbass will begin. New cold war will start, Russia will be cut off from SWIFT, there will be new sanctions and loss of World Cup 2018. At the end of the article he says it seems a bleak future, but Russia will defeat all opponents.

The editor's note admits this is a controversial article, but is only one option, and of course agrees that Russia will eventually win.

To me, the important point is what happens when America launches either direct airstrikes against Assad or, more likely, vollies of cruise missiles. This will be almost a declaration of war by America, and the reaction from Russia will determine fate of Russia and even the world. IMO America wants cold war, and that can easily be arranged, tho from their point of view in a manner that it is Russia's fault, not America's. The issue is that do we sit and wait for America to act, not daring to be more active for fear of more sanctions etc, or ignore the hysterical shrieks from Washington and it's mentally disturbed poodles in the Anglosphere, and take measures to mitigate as much as possible any bad military consequences of failing to act now, rather than when it is too late, 404, cough cough.......

Khepesh wrote:This could go in several threads.

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To me, the important point is what happens when America launches either direct airstrikes against Assad or, more likely, vollies of cruise missiles. This will be almost a declaration of war by America, and the reaction from Russia will determine fate of Russia and even the world. IMO America wants cold war, and that can easily be arranged, tho from their point of view in a manner that it is Russia's fault, not America's. The issue is that do we sit and wait for America to act, not daring to be more active for fear of more sanctions etc, or ignore the hysterical shrieks from Washington and it's mentally disturbed poodles in the Anglosphere, and take measures to mitigate as much as possible any bad military consequences of failing to act now, rather than when it is too late, 404, cough cough.......

Hilldog won't be in White House for couple more months. By then Aleppo will be cleared out and VKS and SAA will be moving on to countryside. The ''democratic revolution'' will be dead the moment Aleppo falls. It's dead already for all intents and purposes.

Hitting Russian military in Syria (even indirectly) is idiotic because those guys will be shooting back. That is war right there and (if it stays non-nuclear) it leaves any US military installation outside USA open for retaliatory strike. Should one Iskander hit place like e.g. Rammstein Germans (and rest of Europe) will be faced with choice to either march on Moscow (yet again) or back down.

Politicians may be eager but Johan/Jean/Jose/Julio Average will prefer to hang on Twitter and eat junk food rather than die in the mud of the East (yet again). Expect lot's of ''give peace a chance'' get-togethers in Europe and massive problems with keeping EU/USA partnership alive. To speak nothing of the economy. That is not something they would willingly risk because it is tool for keeping this continent under their control.

And if they try something massive in Ukraine (again no support in EU anymore) ukrops will be getting erased and Russia will be securing huge buffer zone. They can't do anything in Ukraine secretly anymore and (East) Ukraine is much bigger prize for Russia than some port in Syria (which Russia will be keeping, Hillary or no Hilary).

Backup for SWIFT already exists, same for electronic payment systems and plenty of other stuff, 2014 is long over. 2018 championship is blip on the radar and those stadiums and support infrastructure needed upgrade anyway.

Hilary is insane. Her posse as well. But they can go full retard only up to certain point. And elections and actual presidential mandates are two different thing. Once she puts that fat ass into the seat she will realize that that chair is lot more comfortable than the one in nuke bunker.