Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #10

auslander wrote:Don't know if this article is truthful or not:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/raf-given-green-light-shoot-133352631.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

If it is true this ain't gonna be pretty.

Godric wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/719885/Syria-civil-war-Andrew-Mitchell-says-NATO-planes-must-police-no-fly-zone-against-Russia

British jets must be free to SHOOT DOWN Russian warplanes in Syria, says top Tory MP

BRITISH warplanes should be given the green light to shoot down Russian jets over Syria to end the bloody civil war, a former Cabinet minister has demanded.

Andrew Mitchell said the RAF should be used to confront Moscow's aircraft in the skies above Syria - downing them if necessary to prevent civilians being bombed in towns such as Aleppo.

He brushed aside concerns that firing at a Russian jet could spark a new world war, saying the UK's involvement should be limited to defensive action only.

The former international development secretary used the example of Turkey downing a Russian fighter jet which veered into its airspace last year to show how a strong defensive posture would fire a warning shot at the Russians without provoking full-blown conflict.

etc etc etc

that wouldn't be a wise move the RuAF would wipe out the RAF in no time in Syria and fire a few cruise missiles at their bases in the UK

AlfaT8 wrote:

Godric wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/719885/Syria-civil-war-Andrew-Mitchell-says-NATO-planes-must-police-no-fly-zone-against-Russia

British jets must be free to SHOOT DOWN Russian warplanes in Syria, says top Tory MP

BRITISH warplanes should be given the green light to shoot down Russian jets over Syria to end the bloody civil war, a former Cabinet minister has demanded.

Andrew Mitchell said the RAF should be used to confront Moscow's aircraft in the skies above Syria - downing them if necessary to prevent civilians being bombed in towns such as Aleppo.

He brushed aside concerns that firing at a Russian jet could spark a new world war, saying the UK's involvement should be limited to defensive action only.

The former international development secretary used the example of Turkey downing a Russian fighter jet which veered into its airspace last year to show how a strong defensive posture would fire a warning shot at the Russians without provoking full-blown conflict.

etc etc etc

that wouldn't be a wise move the RuAF would wipe out the RAF in no time in Syria and fire a few cruise missiles at their bases in the UK

The UK, no man, there just gonna blow up the air field they came from.

JohninMK wrote:

Just rubbish speculation. Even the UK is not that crazy.

par far wrote:

auslander wrote:Don't know if this article is truthful or not:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/raf-given-green-light-shoot-133352631.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

If it is true this ain't gonna be pretty.

It is probably crap, if they target Russian planes, than theirs, will be targeted, so they won't do it.

Yahoo is pure Zionist crap, so I would not put too much stock into this.

par far wrote:"RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT CARRIER ‘ADMIRAL KUZNETSOV’ IS ON WAY TO SYRIA – PHOTO".


https://southfront.org/russian-aircraft-carrier-admiral-kuznetsov-is-on-way-to-syria-photo/




"VIDEO: RUSSIAN DRONES DOMINATE THE SKY OVER LATAKIA AS AIRSTRIKES AID THE SYRIAN ARMY".


https://southfront.org/video-russian-drones-dominate-the-sky-over-latakia-as-airstrikes-aid-the-syrian-army/

Vann7 wrote:. Russia needs ATTACK DRONES. with lazer precision bombing. Like Predator drone. This is the major problem in Russia deployment in Syria. That their weapons are not ideal to counter very spread terrorist ,in trenches in mountains. Russia needs precision attack drones to liberate the mountains in latakia, but also in Aleppo.

Vann7 wrote:
This is painful to see.
Russian tactics in LaTAkia are mediocre stupid and obsolete.

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About accusations USA  

In an interview with the President of Russia, a French journalist asked what the Kremlin thinks about tough rhetoric on Russia by the US and EU accusations of Moscow in the deaths of civilians in Aleppo. "This is political rhetoric, which does not have much sense and ignores the realities of what is happening in this country", — said Putin. He also added, chtoza the situation in Syria is the responsibility of the Western partners of Russia and especially the United States. The Russian leader has reminded that according to the similar scenario the situation has evolved in Libya and Iraq. But the activity of the West in these countries has led not to the triumph of democracy and prosperity in the world of terrorism. "Let's remember how excitedly all supported the "Arab spring". Well, that's where this optimism? How it all ended? Let's remember what was Libya or Iraq until such time as these States or of the state structure was not destroyed by forces different to our Western partners," — said Putin. He added that Libya and Iraq were not "examples of democracy", but "there just were absolutely no signs of terrorism." "From these territories did not pose a threat neither to Paris nor côte d'azur of France or to Belgium or to Russia or to the United States. Now it's a source of terrorist threat. Our goal is to the same not to allow in Syria", — concluded the President.
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The bombing in Aleppo
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The President also asked what he thinks about the aggressive rhetoric of the US and EU against Russia and accusations by Washington of Moscow in "war crimes" in Syria. The answer to this question Vladimir Putin appealed to the facts of recent history. "We forget, as American aircraft struck in Afghanistan at a hospital where the staff were killed "Doctors without borders"? Whole wedding for 100 people killed people in Afghanistan. And now in Yemen, what happened? At the funeral ceremony in one strike killed 140 people, 500 were wounded", — Putin said.
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About the militants "Dzhabhat-EN-Nusra"*

If Russia's aim in Syria's anti-terrorist purpose, why the Russian HQs are bombing Aleppo, where there is no "Islamic state"**, asked a French journalist. "The situation in Aleppo is now controlled by another terrorist organization "Dzhabhat EN-Nusra". It has always been considered a wing of "al-Qaeda"*** and included in the list of terrorist organizations of the UN — said Putin. The President was surprising that some countries, including the United States, "all the time trying to take it beyond these terrorist organizations." According to Putin, the state, conducting a policy to step on the same rake. "They want to use the potential of these radicals for political purposes. In this case, to combat President Assad and his government. Not realizing that they will not be able then to put what is called a "stall" and forced to live by civilization's rules".


About the agreements with the United States

Speaking about contacts between Moscow and Washington on the Syrian issue, the Russian President stressed that Russia has repeatedly agreed with the United States about the separation of "Dzhabhat EN-Nusra" and the so-called opposition. "Including in Aleppo. We even agree on terms. But nothing is done" — he explained.

Источник: http://politikus.ru/v-rossii/85253-putin-my-ne-mozhem-pozvolit-terroristam-prikryvatsya-lyudmi.html
Politikus.ru

JohninMK wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

Godric wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/719885/Syria-civil-war-Andrew-Mitchell-says-NATO-planes-must-police-no-fly-zone-against-Russia

British jets must be free to SHOOT DOWN Russian warplanes in Syria, says top Tory MP

BRITISH warplanes should be given the green light to shoot down Russian jets over Syria to end the bloody civil war, a former Cabinet minister has demanded.

Andrew Mitchell said the RAF should be used to confront Moscow's aircraft in the skies above Syria - downing them if necessary to prevent civilians being bombed in towns such as Aleppo.

He brushed aside concerns that firing at a Russian jet could spark a new world war, saying the UK's involvement should be limited to defensive action only.

The former international development secretary used the example of Turkey downing a Russian fighter jet which veered into its airspace last year to show how a strong defensive posture would fire a warning shot at the Russians without provoking full-blown conflict.

etc etc etc

that wouldn't be a wise move the RuAF would wipe out the RAF in no time in Syria and fire a few cruise missiles at their bases in the UK

The UK, no man, there just gonna blow up the air field they came from.

Just rubbish speculation. Even the UK is not that crazy.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

Godric wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/719885/Syria-civil-war-Andrew-Mitchell-says-NATO-planes-must-police-no-fly-zone-against-Russia

British jets must be free to SHOOT DOWN Russian warplanes in Syria, says top Tory MP

BRITISH warplanes should be given the green light to shoot down Russian jets over Syria to end the bloody civil war, a former Cabinet minister has demanded.

Andrew Mitchell said the RAF should be used to confront Moscow's aircraft in the skies above Syria - downing them if necessary to prevent civilians being bombed in towns such as Aleppo.

He brushed aside concerns that firing at a Russian jet could spark a new world war, saying the UK's involvement should be limited to defensive action only.

The former international development secretary used the example of Turkey downing a Russian fighter jet which veered into its airspace last year to show how a strong defensive posture would fire a warning shot at the Russians without provoking full-blown conflict.

etc etc etc

that wouldn't be a wise move the RuAF would wipe out the RAF in no time in Syria and fire a few cruise missiles at their bases in the UK

The UK, no man, there just gonna blow up the air field they came from.

Just rubbish speculation. Even the UK is not that crazy.

I wonder if the Tory MP realizes that if push comes to shove, Cypriots will choose Russia over Anglo Saxon Supremacy (A.S.S.) any day.

Firebird wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mitchell#.22Plebgate.22

Mitchell is just scum and got sacked from the govt.
He referred to a cop as a "pleb", telling him "know your place". And is well known for using such words.
He also lied thro his teeth about the whole matter and lost a libel action.

In England it basically means "scum"/underclass. And is used by so called "upper class" ie born rich individuals like Mitchell referring to the 94% of the popln that didn't have expensive private schooling/live in a manor house etc.

Basically, he's considered an absolute jerkoff by most Brits and should be rotting in the ground. Coco the Clown would have more credibility in politics.

JohninMK wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

Godric wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/719885/Syria-civil-war-Andrew-Mitchell-says-NATO-planes-must-police-no-fly-zone-against-Russia

British jets must be free to SHOOT DOWN Russian warplanes in Syria, says top Tory MP

BRITISH warplanes should be given the green light to shoot down Russian jets over Syria to end the bloody civil war, a former Cabinet minister has demanded.

Andrew Mitchell said the RAF should be used to confront Moscow's aircraft in the skies above Syria - downing them if necessary to prevent civilians being bombed in towns such as Aleppo.

He brushed aside concerns that firing at a Russian jet could spark a new world war, saying the UK's involvement should be limited to defensive action only.

The former international development secretary used the example of Turkey downing a Russian fighter jet which veered into its airspace last year to show how a strong defensive posture would fire a warning shot at the Russians without provoking full-blown conflict.

etc etc etc

that wouldn't be a wise move the RuAF would wipe out the RAF in no time in Syria and fire a few cruise missiles at their bases in the UK

The UK, no man, there just gonna blow up the air field they came from.

Just rubbish speculation. Even the UK is not that crazy.

Godric wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

Godric wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/719885/Syria-civil-war-Andrew-Mitchell-says-NATO-planes-must-police-no-fly-zone-against-Russia

British jets must be free to SHOOT DOWN Russian warplanes in Syria, says top Tory MP

BRITISH warplanes should be given the green light to shoot down Russian jets over Syria to end the bloody civil war, a former Cabinet minister has demanded.

Andrew Mitchell said the RAF should be used to confront Moscow's aircraft in the skies above Syria - downing them if necessary to prevent civilians being bombed in towns such as Aleppo.

He brushed aside concerns that firing at a Russian jet could spark a new world war, saying the UK's involvement should be limited to defensive action only.

The former international development secretary used the example of Turkey downing a Russian fighter jet which veered into its airspace last year to show how a strong defensive posture would fire a warning shot at the Russians without provoking full-blown conflict.

etc etc etc

that wouldn't be a wise move the RuAF would wipe out the RAF in no time in Syria and fire a few cruise missiles at their bases in the UK

The UK, no man, there just gonna blow up the air field they came from.

Just rubbish speculation. Even the UK is not that crazy.

i  don't know John .. a couple of years ago i would have agreed with you .... Teresa May's new government is something else it's bordering on taking a leaf out of Mein Kampf ... with each passing day they are becoming more unpredictable

The Ottoman wrote:Advisor to Turkish PM: Russia, Turkey only states that oppose collapse of Syria

World  October 12, 18:56 UTC+3

ANKARA, October 12. /TASS/. Turkey and Russia stand out as the only countries that oppose the breakup of Syria, Senior Advisor to the Turkish Prime Minister Mehmet Akarca told Russian reporters on Wednesday.

Akarca said that the West was seeking to gain dominance over the Middle East.

"Those who were behind the creation of the Islamic State terrorist organization (banned in Russia) and those who are to plotting break up the region are the same actors as those who are scheming against Syria now," Akarca said. "At present, Turkey and Russia are the only nations that confront them."

"Turkey and Russia are the only states that stand up to Syria’s territorial integrity," he said in conclusion.

More:
http://tass.com/world/906107?

JohninMK wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

The Ottoman wrote:Advisor to Turkish PM: Russia, Turkey only states that oppose collapse of Syria

World  October 12, 18:56 UTC+3

ANKARA, October 12. /TASS/. Turkey and Russia stand out as the only countries that oppose the breakup of Syria, Senior Advisor to the Turkish Prime Minister Mehmet Akarca told Russian reporters on Wednesday.

Akarca said that the West was seeking to gain dominance over the Middle East.

"Those who were behind the creation of the Islamic State terrorist organization (banned in Russia) and those who are to plotting break up the region are the same actors as those who are scheming against Syria now," Akarca said. "At present, Turkey and Russia are the only nations that confront them."

"Turkey and Russia are the only states that stand up to Syria’s territorial integrity," he said in conclusion.

More:
http://tass.com/world/906107?

Well this would mean Turkey is going to cross ASS (anglo-saxon supremacy) and zionist interests. Not sure if this is true though.

JohninMK wrote:

i  don't know John .. a couple of years ago i would have agreed with you .... Teresa May's new government is something else it's bordering on taking a leaf out of Mein Kampf ... with each passing day they are becoming more unpredictable

d_taddei2 wrote:

I was stationed at Akrotiri, and the two mountain bases of Troodos and Mount Olympus (very top of mountain next to Cypriot army base), and i can tell you that none of the bases have any air defence. Troodos was guarded by ourselves which was 4 guys on the main gate and 4 guys on rest day, and mount Olympus which had 4-5 guys, and the only weapons we had were SA-80 and LSW, and had a Landrover for transport. Akrotiri had a few fixed wing which was mostly Typhoons and sometimes Tornado but there was times when no fixed wing were present and the Americans had U2's stationed there. The base is pretty exposed and only naval assets were a few RIBS and occasional visit of a something larger. The mole their was even guarded. As for troops at Akrotiri there was a few Cypriot security (unarmed) and one solider on the gate, there was also a few military police on the base armed with pistols, and there was us which acted as QRF which consisted of 4 guys in a landrover yet again armed with SA-80 and LSW, and that was it. from the sea the base is totally exposed and only light fencing around the base. The base we were garrisoned in was Episkopi and that was where most of the Infantry battalion was based. And you also have Dhekelia base which is also infantry base with small airfield for helicopters  You also had a small base in Ayios Nikolaos Station which is a joint UK/USA operation which a signals base. Most of the infantry based on the island were in the light role of landrovers, trucks, and occasionally Saxon APC, and i think now they have foxhounds which is a small MRAP vehicle. But no major assets, small arms and ATGW, 81mm mortars, HMG and thats about it for infantry. So yeah pretty exposed in my eyes.

JohninMK wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:

I was stationed at Akrotiri, and the two mountain bases of Troodos and Mount Olympus (very top of mountain next to Cypriot army base), and i can tell you that none of the bases have any air defence. Troodos was guarded by ourselves which was 4 guys on the main gate and 4 guys on rest day, and mount Olympus which had 4-5 guys, and the only weapons we had were SA-80 and LSW, and had a Landrover for transport. Akrotiri had a few fixed wing which was mostly Typhoons and sometimes Tornado but there was times when no fixed wing were present and the Americans had U2's stationed there. The base is pretty exposed and only naval assets were a few RIBS and occasional visit of a something larger. The mole their was even guarded. As for troops at Akrotiri there was a few Cypriot security (unarmed) and one solider on the gate, there was also a few military police on the base armed with pistols, and there was us which acted as QRF which consisted of 4 guys in a landrover yet again armed with SA-80 and LSW, and that was it. from the sea the base is totally exposed and only light fencing around the base. The base we were garrisoned in was Episkopi and that was where most of the Infantry battalion was based. And you also have Dhekelia base which is also infantry base with small airfield for helicopters  You also had a small base in Ayios Nikolaos Station which is a joint UK/USA operation which a signals base. Most of the infantry based on the island were in the light role of landrovers, trucks, and occasionally Saxon APC, and i think now they have foxhounds which is a small MRAP vehicle. But no major assets, small arms and ATGW, 81mm mortars, HMG and thats about it for infantry. So yeah pretty exposed in my eyes.

Thanks, pretty much why I suggested it. Known in the trade as a sitting duck. The UK, like most of NATO, has virtually no SAMs deployed at airfields anywhere as they never needed them in their activities over the past 25+ years. Like most of the West we are bankrupt and, with a profit hungry MIC to support, don't or can't spend wisely.

When you are geared for attack against enemies a thousand miles away, unlike Russia geared for defence, you just don't need them. Until the day that changes, when it is too late.

calm wrote:

calm wrote:Here is a video by Murad Gazdiev in Aleppo a week ago.