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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:42 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Looks like it is hotting up in the east.
    ...........
    The #SDF confirms that the #US United States is Establishing  one of the largest bases in Syria in the resource-rich area of al-Omar (#DeirEzzor)
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    To slow and now too late for Iran. No prizes for second place.




    Also the full extent of sheer stupidity of the Kurds is just beginning to be glimpsed:

    Wael Alwan, spokesperson of Faylaq al-Rahman, says there are talks with Turkey to resettle those evacuated from East Ghouta into Afrin area.

    https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/979031474136494082?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23979031474136494082
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:45 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Looks like it is hotting up in the east.
    ...........
    The #SDF confirms that the #US United States is Establishing  one of the largest bases in Syria in the resource-rich area of al-Omar (#DeirEzzor)
    ...................

    To slow and now too late for Iran. No prizes for second place.




    Also the full extent of sheer stupidity of the Kurds is just beginning to be glimpsed:

    Wael Alwan, spokesperson of Faylaq al-Rahman, says there are talks with Turkey to resettle those evacuated from East Ghouta into Afrin area.

    https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/979031474136494082?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23979031474136494082

    All according to plan, SAA beat us to Deir but Syria's oil will make a good prize.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:34 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    All according to plan, SAA beat us to Deir but Syria's oil will make a good prize.
    Agreed, any idea how they will ship it out?
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    Post  par far on Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:37 am

    For the life of me, I can't understand why the SAA and Allies did not go for the oil when they had the chance.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:49 am

    par far wrote:For the life of me, I can't understand why the SAA and Allies did not go for the oil when they had the chance.

    Because instead of dealing with priority tasks, certain ally spent 2 year long window of opportunity going after some irrelevant piece of desert on the other end of the country (which they never had any chance of taking) because they are obsessed over some decades​ old pointless bullshit and on top of everything they wasted extra time trying to smuggle some low priority crap into Palestine (like that couldn't have waited)

    And let's not forget wasting time trying to get their man in charge of Syria instead of his brother (which they failed) and cockblocking other ally from stationing strategic bombers in their precious airbase which would have helped them retake East Syria (bet they wish they had squadron of Backfire bombers on standby a year ago, eh?)

    What matters is that coastline is sitting pretty, as for East Syria that's someone else's problem (and staging zone for invasion further east all the way to Tehran)

    Hindsight is a bitch
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:57 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    All according to plan, SAA beat us to Deir but Syria's oil will make a good prize.
    Agreed, any idea how they will ship it out?

    I cannot answer such a question.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:06 am

    par far wrote:For the life of me, I can't understand why the SAA and Allies did not go for the oil when they had the chance.

    Lack of support Iran wasn't helping them go for it, Russia was less inclined to go that far they wanted the coastline and so the SAA wasted time there and Russia was helping them enough.

    The SAA also had major setbacks thanks to it NDF etc which cost them months of progress alone.

    Generally Assad did not have the support he needed to reach the oil fields fast enough, in truth the progress he made was rather admirable in a way.

    We used the fact that ISIS would waste time and men fighting the SAA, so for us, it was just a matter of sweeping in and letting the SAA weaken them for us. After all why bother fighting if you can let the other guy do it for you?.

    We were ready to roll once Assad reached Deir, and before someone says "US is ISIS" if we had such control over them we would have Deir under our control also.

    The oil fields weren't important to Russia, so putin had no need to lend mass support for them.

    It's Iran who has the most to lose here them and the Turks.

    Granted Iran won't be falling anytime soon but pay attention to this words

    "You give us an inch and we will take a mile".
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:33 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    par far wrote:For the life of me, I can't understand why the SAA and Allies did not go for the oil when they had the chance.

    Lack of support Iran wasn't helping them go for it, Russia was less inclined to go that far they wanted the coastline and so the SAA wasted time there and Russia was helping them enough.

    The SAA also had major setbacks thanks to it NDF etc which cost them months of progress alone.

    Generally Assad did not have the support he needed to reach the oil fields fast enough, in truth the progress he made was rather admirable in a way.

    We used the fact that ISIS would waste time and men fighting the SAA, so for us, it was just a matter of sweeping in and letting the SAA weaken them for us. After all why bother fighting if you can let the other guy do it for you?.

    We were ready to roll once Assad reached Deir, and before someone says "US is ISIS" if we had such control over them we would have Deir under our control also.

    The oil fields weren't important to Russia, so putin had no need to lend mass support for them.

    It's Iran who has the most to lose here them and the Turks.

    Granted Iran won't be falling anytime soon but pay attention to this words

    "You give us an inch and we will take a mile".

    Iranian mindset is best known by Turkey, since Iran and Turkey were in always complicated relationship for almost 500 years.

    "You give us an inch and we will take a mile" best applies to Iran, even Americans cannot perform better in this.

    The most important thing here to catch is that Iran is an Islamic republic following Shiite sect. Shia is not popular around the Islamic world except Iran/Lebanon and Iraq.(and some parts of Pakistan). Overall, they number from 10% to 20% in total number of Muslims.

    If you look deeper to Iran, you would see a huge Azerbaijani/Turkic Oghuz population to the north, Arabic population near Iraqi border and Beluchis to the south.

    All these different ethno groups are mostly Shiite. But the problem is, as a Shiite country, Iranians were always in need to expand in terms of secterian hegemony. Otherwise Sunni hegemony would surround Iran and given that Iranian geography is not well open to the world, Iran would drain its power and wealth, not in a hard way.

    Thus, this secterian war between Iran and Sunni hegemony never ended for last 500 years and will not end unless Iran captures some footholds that can make itself less vulnerable, or even upper hand in an offensive. (Sound familiar, Yemen?)

    Also, Turkish position here now differs from what it used to be, now MidEast Islamopolitical environment turns out trilateral.

    -Iranian secterianism
    -Saudi Gulf US puppet fake Sunni secterianism
    -Turco-Islamic Sunni expansionism.

    Above three will certainly have more conflicts to have. But Saudis are the most idiotic of these fractions and US plays its best cards in favor of them.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:31 am

    Local uprisings and sabotage will be easy enough to foment in the US held portion of Syria... and of course Russia will get good mileage talking about the US occupation force in Syria...
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    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:32 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    par far wrote:For the life of me, I can't understand why the SAA and Allies did not go for the oil when they had the chance.

    Because instead of dealing with priority tasks, certain ally spent 2 year long window of opportunity going after some irrelevant piece of desert on the other end of the country (which they never had any chance of taking) because they are obsessed over some decades​ old pointless bullshit and on top of everything they wasted extra time trying to smuggle some low priority crap into Palestine (like that couldn't have waited)

    And let's not forget wasting time trying to get their man in charge of Syria instead of his brother (which they failed) and cockblocking other ally from stationing strategic bombers in their precious airbase which would have helped them retake East Syria (bet they wish they had squadron of Backfire bombers on standby a year ago, eh?)

    What matters is that coastline is sitting pretty, as for East Syria that's someone else's problem (and staging zone for invasion further east all the way to Tehran)

    Hindsight is a bitch

    Agreed. Coastline is primo real estate and its strategic depth can be similar to what you get in Israel/Lebanon (provided they snatch Jisr Suqoor).
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:22 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Agreed. Coastline is primo real estate and its strategic depth can be similar to what you get in Israel/Lebanon (provided they snatch Jisr Suqoor).

    Not really the coastline itself, its what is under the sea that really matters.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:29 pm

    Lots of US building work underway east of the river, couple of them picked at random, location unknown.


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    US-led forces establish new military outposts east of Hajin, Deir ez-Zor, Syria ???? (March 2018)
    https://already-happened.com/2018/03/29/us-led-forces-establish-new-military-outposts-east-of-hajin-deir-ez-zor/


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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:31 pm


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    E. #Ghouta: Regime gave an ultimatum until Saturday to Jaish Islam to surrender or town of #Duma will be stormed.

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    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:34 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Agreed. Coastline is primo real estate and its strategic depth can be similar to what you get in Israel/Lebanon (provided they snatch Jisr Suqoor).

    Not really the coastline itself, its what is under the sea that really matters.

    Yeah sure, both the EEZ but also the wide enough coastline and access to the sea itself, strengthen SAR's viability as a state.
    Can't say the same for SDF turf.


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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:32 pm

    Interesting comment from Trump, wonder what his definition of 'very' is. Most of the subsequent comments are sceptical.

    President Donald Trump made a surprise announcement on Thursday afternoon, stating during a speech in Richfield, Ohio dedicated to Trump's infrastructure week, that US forces will be withdrawing from Syria, citing the defeat of ISIS and the need to defend US borders and rebuild crumbling infrastructure: "We're coming out of Syria very soon. Let the other people take care of it now." Others like Russia perhaps?

    The US spent $7 trillion in the Middle East, Trump said, describing how the US would build schools only for insurgents to destroy them, while there was no funding to build schools in Ohio: "We build a school, they blow it up. We rebuild the school, they haven’t blown it up yet, but they will."


    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-29/trump-were-coming-out-syria-very-soon-others-can-take-care-it-now

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    Trump on Syria withdrawal plans. State Department says it's unaware of any plans to pull out from Syria.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:42 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Interesting comment from Trump, wonder what his definition of 'very' is. Most of the subsequent comments are sceptical.

    [i]President Donald Trump made a surprise announcement on Thursday afternoon, stating during a speech in Richfield, Ohio dedicated to Trump's infrastructure week, that US forces will be withdrawing from Syria, citing the defeat of ISIS and the need to defend US borders and rebuild crumbling infrastructure: "We're coming out of Syria very soon. Let the other people take care of it now." ........


    Meh, he'll say something completely opposite tomorrow...
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    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:59 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Interesting comment from Trump, wonder what his definition of 'very' is. Most of the subsequent comments are sceptical.

    [i]President Donald Trump made a surprise announcement on Thursday afternoon, stating during a speech in Richfield, Ohio dedicated to Trump's infrastructure week, that US forces will be withdrawing from Syria, citing the defeat of ISIS and the need to defend US borders and rebuild crumbling infrastructure: "We're coming out of Syria very soon. Let the other people take care of it now." ........


    Meh, he'll say something completely opposite tomorrow...

    He never cared for Obama's Syria project, I give him that.
    If he manages to keep the usual suspects in his party/admin in check, he will withdraw before election.

    SAA can take care of IS once they pull out.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:54 am

    They're not going to pull out unless forced. People are dreaming. The clown is in control of little.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:03 pm

    Good picture showing the kind of logistics needed to move large numbers of terrorists from one part of Syria to another. There are about 40 buses visible in this shot so imagine what 128 would look like!

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    Post  yavar on Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:58 pm

    https://twitter.com/StrategicBalanc/status/979686966701772800
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:53 pm

    Looks like a good plan


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    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:55 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Looks like a good plan


    Within Syria
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    38m38 minutes ago

    The financial resources of Jaysh al-Islam will be the main target of the Syrian-Russian aerial operation, this includes the personal properties of Jaysh al-Islam leaders and their relatives and friends - ones that are empty from civilians

    Within Syria
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    1h1 hour ago

    Syrian Air Force, Russian Air Force are ready to launch a massive aerial operation that will "break the back" of Jaysh al-Islam leadership if they didn't accept the (surrender offer) ... time is almost up


    Give em hell, happy hunting to Russians & co.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:46 am

    JohninMK wrote:......
    Within Syria
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    Syrian Air Force, Russian Air Force are ready to launch a massive aerial operation that will "break the back" of Jaysh al-Islam leadership if they didn't accept the (surrender offer) ... time is almost up[/i]

    Looks like 555th Air Group is about to get a new chew-toy to play around with thumbsup
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    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:......
    Within Syria
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    Syrian Air Force, Russian Air Force are ready to launch a massive aerial operation that will "break the back" of Jaysh al-Islam leadership if they didn't accept the (surrender offer) ... time is almost up[/i]

    Looks like 555th Air Group is about to get a new chew-toy to play around with thumbsup

    This is all fun and games for you, eh. You must a teenager.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:40 am

    kvs wrote:....
    This is all fun and games for you, eh. You must a teenager.

    Not teenager, I teach teenagers.

    Take a Diazepam morality police.

    And what's with your Iranian boner?


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