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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:52 pm

    Russia have full capabilities to develop a full spectrum space program and beat the hell
    of the west in mars manned landing. But Mr Putin nationalism obsession with Sports and
    its shortsight vision to make Russia a potato and wheat super power is what hold back Russia
    space program. The lack of vision of Putin to turn Russia into an unquestionable leading power
    in space is criminal and i can't wait him for leave power and be replaced by someone with far more ambitions than him in space.

    He "did not have money" for mars and moon project but the money show up to build a stupid super train to China of 250 billions dollars. And no money for Russia having a space shuttle or
    its own space station ,but plenty of money for hosting Sochi olympics and Fifa worth of 65 billions dollars both of Russia budget. An imbecile indeed he is. Russia not even is good in football will not qualify even in the top 25 groups , is ranked today in the 53th position and the mother sucker still consider is worthy to host FIFA in Russia and throw away the money of Russian citizens in celebrating e-penis contest . Indeed Putin is a dinosaur as President. Completely obsolete already. He waste so much energy in stupid sports only to create an artificial nation identity , a nation unity, But he will do a million times better if he invested
    most of that money in taking Russia space industry to the next level and doing it alone ,not with any western cooperation. Any investment in space for civilian use ,will also benefit enourmosly its military too , and nation security and once space mastered it could be used to promote space tourism ,Space airliners , when the cost reduced . So many potentials Russia waste because of a myopic President ,that have an obsession for its glorious soviet past and silly chest beating contest ,that is what sports is , i can jump higher than you waaa waaa waaa, who the fuck cares?..and refuse to move Russia into a leadership role in the world in nation technology and development. Russia needs a technology revolution not a sports one . and will continue sucking donkey balls and totally disrespected in the west for its inability to become any alternative to the American world , yet still complaining about how unfair is the west ,but the idiot Putin do nothing really serious to become totally independent of the western technology and its modern culture ,since Russia is attached to the soviet glorious past and depends on it for feeling great about themselves , instead of moving forward and making Russia a real alternative to the west which is what Russia should be doing.


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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:49 pm

    Russia having a space shuttle or
    its own space station ,but plenty of money for hosting Sochi olympics and Fifa worth of 65 billions dollars both of Russia budget.

    Which shows your level of knowledge in this area... Russia needs a space shuttle like it needs Ebola.

    The US developed a space shuttle instead of a space station.

    The Russians had the space station.

    The US drew all the wrong conclusions from their experience of operating for a week in earth orbit and would have been left embarrassed if they had attempted a flight to mars.

    The US scientists and astronauts did not believe the Soviets when they said after 6 months in space that cosmonauts were weak and unable to move easily in earth gravity... they thought that with superior American food and superior American exercises they could be as fit at the end as they were at the beginning... they seemed OK after a week on a space shuttle...

    In fact the first American astronaut on Mir said he listened to the Russians but believed his superiority in training and technology would mean when he finished his 6 month flight he would not be helped up from his seat... he would get up himself and show those Ruskies what superior specimens of humanity Americans were. When he landed he found he could not lift his arm to even reach for his straps let alone stand up...

    When you talk about the cost of Sochi and soccer world cups you don't mention the revenue they generate in local and international visitors and the new infrastructure that is created that benefits the local communities.

    There might be some new technologies developed for the space industry but few direct benefits apart from pride in building enormous rockets.

    Regarding building larger rockets... it would be useful if that was after 2025 as by then they might have gotten the air lift family of aircraft into service to replace the An-22, An-124, and An-225... the latter could ferry large diameter items to the far east on its back.
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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:53 pm

    Russia have full capabilities to develop a full spectrum space program and beat the hell
    of the west in mars manned landing. But Mr Putin nationalism obsession with Sports and
    its shortsight vision to make Russia a potato and wheat super power is what hold back Russia
    space program.

    You have access to western media and their discovery and history channels... how often do you see anything about Soviet missions to Venus?

    How often when they do a programme on helos do they mention the worlds heaviest operational helo?

    The last discovery channel programme I saw on helicopters mentioned the Black Hawk, the Hughes 500 bird dog, the Apache, the Chinook, the Super Stallion, and the German MB-105... and that was it... no other aircraft even mentioned.

    Of course Putin is going to focus on food... it is something Russian people need, and sport is another thing they are interested in.

    Making huge expensive rockets at a time when there is a food shortage simply does not make sense.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:20 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Russia have full capabilities to develop a full spectrum space program and beat the hell
    of the west in mars manned landing. But Mr Putin nationalism obsession with Sports and
    its shortsight vision to make Russia a potato and wheat super power is what hold back Russia
    space program.

    You have access to western media and their discovery and history channels... how often do you see anything about Soviet missions to Venus?

    How often when they do a programme on helos do they mention the worlds heaviest operational helo?

    The last discovery channel programme I saw on helicopters mentioned the Black Hawk, the Hughes 500 bird dog, the Apache, the Chinook, the Super Stallion, and the German MB-105... and that was it... no other aircraft even mentioned.

    Of course Putin is going to focus on food... it is something Russian people need, and sport is another thing they are interested in.

    Making huge expensive rockets at a time when there is a food shortage simply does not make sense.

    I disagree completely with every logic you have... so not going to bother with all that you wrote.
    But i consider completely moronic ,that Russia is eating shit in space , allowing the west to do all the most fun stuff ,in space exploration and Russia become happy with just a taxi to the ISS.
    Is moronic that Russia spend 250billions USD dollars in a train to China and 65 billions USD in olympics that largely are discredited Russia for the doping scandals ,money that vast majority of it could have gone to create future looking real JOBs , that could allow Russia to not be so worthless nation dependent on the west in the world.

    Russia have a HUGE problem of world image ,and this is why is isolated in everything ,and only rejected countries like China and India or IRAN can they find to at very least support Russia with words in UN resolutions. If Russia was not so lame ,so relaxed with easy risk business like Oil and agriculture is , and instead pushed harder in creating an industrial revolution and was the leading nation in space in everything , then it will not be so isolated as Russia is , depending in
    Gas discounts to lure nations into Russian orbit.  

    Putin abysmally mediocre development of Russia is the one to blame for Ukraine seeking
    to join the EU and not Russia. He is part of the problem of why the west dis respect Russia.
    Is not seen as a leading country in almost anything and they see Russia with no reason to exist.
    Why they create the conflicts they do with Russia.  So Russia problems in the world is 100% consequence of Putin's very primitive development of Russia.   Is not about selling more oil ,or Gas ,or winning more stupid medals in silly sports or selling more potatoes than anyone what will make Russia a great nation , but LEADING the way to the world ,in technology and space what will do it.

    Russia becoming an industrial Leader into the future in state of the art technology, is the only way that Russia can earn RESPECT , and admiration of its enemies and adversaries , and what will allow Russia to finally put an end to the American world , and create a new even better alternative. When Russia waste so much money is totally unnecesary things is just criminal , and shows Russians have no clue how they create their own problems with the west.

    Putin says he wants peace.. he says.. guess what mr Donkey dont understand about the west  , is that the west only respect leadership and nothing else. They care no shit about morals and values. So Putin trying to influence the west preaching about Morals and values is moronic.
    If Putin want peace he simply needs to make Russia a LEADER in the world. a leader for the future. is as simple as this , and they need to stop bitching and complaining about how unfair is the west with them if Putin does nothing to become an alternative so they are no so isolated in the world in any issue..  Is kind of depressing to observe this conflict between east and west and understanding in full ,how Putin mediocre policies of nation development , is what holds Russia back into an eternal cold war with the west.  If Russia was landing in the moon and mars today with humans , None of this problems Russia face today will be happening. Since ukraine will NOT want to join Europe but instead Russia and Americans will see no reason to get rid of a nation that are seeking to make major deals for closer space cooperation and is leading in the world.


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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:51 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Russia having a space shuttle or
    its own space station ,but plenty of money for hosting Sochi olympics and Fifa worth of 65 billions dollars both of Russia budget.

    Which shows your level of knowledge in this area... Russia needs a space shuttle like it needs Ebola.

    The US developed a space shuttle instead of a space station.

    The Russians had the space station.

    The US drew all the wrong conclusions from their experience of operating for a week in earth orbit and would have been left embarrassed if they had attempted a flight to mars.

    The US scientists and astronauts did not believe the Soviets when they said after 6 months in space that cosmonauts were weak and unable to move easily in earth gravity... they thought that with superior American food and superior American exercises they could be as fit at the end as they were at the beginning... they seemed OK after a week on a space shuttle...

    In fact the first American astronaut on Mir said he listened to the Russians but believed his superiority in training and technology would mean when he finished his 6 month flight he would not be helped up from his seat... he would get up himself and show those Ruskies what superior specimens of humanity Americans were. When he landed he found he could not lift his arm to even reach for his straps let alone stand up...

    Looks like a pattern of "thought" in hubris filled Americans. The Americans did not believe that the Russian rocket engine technology
    existed in 1991 until they saw it with their own eyes. It never entered their inflated heads that Russia/USSR could succeed where they
    failed. After all, America has a manifest destiny.


    When you talk about the cost of Sochi and soccer world cups you don't mention the revenue they generate in local and international visitors and the new infrastructure that is created that benefits the local communities.

    There might be some new technologies developed for the space industry but few direct benefits apart from pride in building enormous rockets.

    Regarding building larger rockets... it would be useful if that was after 2025 as by then they might have gotten the air lift family of aircraft into service to replace the An-22, An-124, and An-225... the latter could ferry large diameter items to the far east on its back.

    Shipping them through the Arctic Ocean is perfectly fine too. And Russia can do it in winter. It is cheaper and more rocket stages can be shipped at once. I don't
    understand what all the urgency to deliver is about.

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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  kvs on Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:53 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Russia have full capabilities to develop a full spectrum space program and beat the hell
    of the west in mars manned landing. But Mr Putin nationalism obsession with Sports and
    its shortsight vision to make Russia a potato and wheat super power is what hold back Russia
    space program.

    You have access to western media and their discovery and history channels... how often do you see anything about Soviet missions to Venus?

    How often when they do a programme on helos do they mention the worlds heaviest operational helo?

    The last discovery channel programme I saw on helicopters mentioned the Black Hawk, the Hughes 500 bird dog, the Apache, the Chinook, the Super Stallion, and the German MB-105... and that was it... no other aircraft even mentioned.

    Of course Putin is going to focus on food... it is something Russian people need, and sport is another thing they are interested in.

    Making huge expensive rockets at a time when there is a food shortage simply does not make sense.

    I disagree completely with every logic you have... so not going to bother with all that you wrote.
    But i consider completely moronic ,that Russia is eating shit in space , allowing the west to do all the most fun stuff ,in space exploration and Russia become happy with just a taxi to the ISS.
    Is moronic that Russia spend 250billions USD dollars in a train to China and 65 billions USD in olympics that largely are discredited Russia for the doping scandals ,money that vast majority of it could have gone to create future looking real JOBs , that could allow Russia to not be so worthless nation dependent on the west in the world.

    Russia have a HUGE problem of world image ,and this is why is isolated in everything ,and only rejected countries like China and India or IRAN can they find to at very least support Russia with words in UN resolutions. If Russia was not so lame ,so relaxed with easy risk business like Oil and agriculture is , and instead pushed harder in creating an industrial revolution and was the leading nation in space in everything , then it will not be so isolated as Russia is , depending in
    Gas discounts to lure nations into Russian orbit.  

    Putin abysmally mediocre development of Russia is the one to blame for Ukraine seeking
    to join the EU and not Russia. He is part of the problem of why the west dis respect Russia.
    Is not seen as a leading country in almost anything and they see Russia with no reason to exist.
    Why they create the conflicts they do with Russia.  So Russia problems in the world is 100% consequence of Putin's very primitive development of Russia.   Is not about selling more oil ,or Gas ,or winning more stupid medals in silly sports or selling more potatoes than anyone what will make Russia a great nation , but LEADING the way to the world ,in technology and space what will do it.

    Russia becoming an industrial Leader into the future in state of the art technology, is the only way that Russia can earn RESPECT , and admiration of its enemies and adversaries , and what will allow Russia to finally put an end to the American world , and create a new even better alternative. When Russia waste so much money is totally unnecesary things is just criminal , and shows Russians have no clue how they create their own problems with the west.

    Putin says he wants peace.. he says.. guess what mr Donkey dont understand about the west  , is that the west only respect leadership and nothing else. They care no shit about morals and values. So Putin trying to influence the west preaching about Morals and values is moronic.
    If Putin want peace he simply needs to make Russia a LEADER in the world. a leader for the future. is as simple as this , and they need to stop bitching and complaining about how unfair is the west with them if Putin does nothing to become an alternative so they are no so isolated in the world in any issue..  Is kind of depressing to observe this conflict between east and west and understanding in full ,how Putin mediocre policies of nation development , is what holds Russia back into an eternal cold war with the west.  If Russia was landing in the moon and mars today with humans , None of this problems Russia face today will be happening. Since ukraine will NOT want to join Europe but instead Russia and Americans will see no reason to get rid of a nation that are seeking to make major deals for closer space cooperation and is leading in the world.



    Dude, you need to put the crack pipe down. What fun stuff are you even talking about? The only thing that it could be is solar system exploration missions.
    That has zero to do with rocket technology. It has everything to do with financing of the payloads.
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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  Rmf on Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:03 pm

    you can twist it anyway you want, heavy launcher gives you CAPABILITY  you cant have with other rockets. mars return sample , europa exploration missions , heavy extra-planetary satelites , large telscopes , robotic moon base , human missions.... etc.
    like i said 23 billion and we are in 2017 almost means launcher by 2040.!!! lol
    someone will be syphoning 1 billion per year for next 20+ years, unbelivable, and tragic. situation is worse then korolev vs glushko with each enterprise fighting for limited resourses and spreading them thinner. at least those 2 did some things worthwhile unlike todays companies ...
    why angara if proton is still built and even new modifictions are made? why soyuz modifications??? you want new modular launcher or not? why is angara so expencive?
    russia space program is stuck for good...streamlining production rationalization and merging is only way 1 universal engine , 1 light urm and 1 heavy urm- thats it.
    but each company has its lobby and favourite politician and no progress is made. apologists denial , childlish insults ,and living on old glory never lasts forever...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:44 pm

    Rmf wrote:you can twist it anyway you want, heavy launcher gives you CAPABILITY  you cant have with other rockets. mars return sample , europa exploration missions , heavy extra-planetary satelites , large telscopes , robotic moon base , human missions.... etc.
    like i said 23 billion and we are in 2017 almost means launcher by 2040.!!! lol
    someone will be syphoning 1 billion per year for next 20+ years, unbelivable, and tragic. situation is worse then korolev vs glushko with each enterprise fighting for limited resourses and spreading them thinner. at least those 2 did some things worthwhile unlike todays companies ...
    why angara if proton is still built and even new modifictions are made? why soyuz modifications??? you want new modular launcher or not? why is angara so expencive?
    russia space program is stuck for good...streamlining production rationalization and merging is only way 1 universal engine , 1 light urm and 1 heavy urm- thats it.
    but each company has its lobby and favourite politician and no progress is made. apologists denial , childlish insults ,and living on old glory never lasts forever...

    Now you are just making shit up.

    Then again, your not very smart.

    Angara was already said to be holding off for now since no launch set for 2017 for Angara since project is too late as per roscosmos and that they are transitioning over to other launchers.

    http://vpk.name/news/168955_angara_ne_letit.html

    You are aware (I doubt you are since you displayed your lack of intelligence) that when projects are created, not all of them end up seeing the light of day. But instead, experiences are learned and they develop something else or expand it to something better. Angara is one of those.
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    Post  Rmf on Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:06 pm

    you think roscosmos can  pocket from the government 2,3,4,5, billion (not counting other projects and obligations) just like that???
    angara was to be functional way before 2015 ahahaha you ignorant fool.
    and 0, ZERO!!! launches in 2016 Laughing and seems 0 in 2017 too....thats pathetic No ,youre so muted i dont waste my time with you....
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:49 am

    Rmf wrote:you think roscosmos can  pocket from the government 2,3,4,5, billion (not counting other projects and obligations) just like that???
    angara was to be functional way before 2015 ahahaha you ignorant fool.
    and 0, ZERO!!! launches in 2016  Laughing  and seems 0 in 2017 too....thats pathetic  No ,youre so muted i dont waste my time with you....

    More like you need to get a clue.  Read the articles instead of being typically retarded.  I assume you are baltic then to have such a terrible intelligence level.

    most old rockets required Ukraine parts. Angara fixed that especially now. Point of the rocket is domestic components, even if the rocket as is will not be used as full. Other rockets are also to succeed it hence new development and move to push this for heavy launches in the future.

    If you don't like it, start your own space industry. I would like to see your nations grand failures. Or maybe get indulged in the self exploding space crafts from the US.
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    Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:48 am

    Vann, it does not matter what Russia does... the world sees western media and they wont give them credit for anything.

    Building big expensive rockets right now makes no sense when first of all they would be expensive and mean existing programmes would need to be cut back to pay for it... where should they cut back? Hypersonic bombers?

    They have no practical use for a big powerful heavy lift rocket right now... to get ready to land people on the moon or mars would cost even more... they don't need to spend that sort of money now on such things.

    It would be like spending trillions and making 1,000 PAK FA and 5 x 60K ton fixed wing carriers in the next 5 years.

    They don't have the money, they don't have the man power to operate that sort of force, and they don't have a need for any of it... it would be like the B-2... a white elephant looking for a purpose...

    But no, it is all Putins fault... Sochi is now a respectable holiday destination and soccer grounds around Russia got upgraded and many portable sports arenas have been delivered to various regions for lots of Russian people to use and enjoy... if they had listened to you they might have a super rocket bigger than anything the US has... big waste of time and money but in 20 years time it might be useful... if a bit out of date.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:23 am

    The world record holder in space ,a Russian cosmonaut , resigning from his Job ,
    Because his Lame President does not take seriously Russia space program.
    Who will have guessed the monkey President strike back again?

    https://www.rt.com/news/385727-russian-record-holding-cosmonaut-resigns/

    He should try sports instead . the monkey Retarded President Putin ,spent more than 10x times
    in Sports than in Space. A lot of money in promoting the good old days of Soviet era in sports . How embarassing for Russia ,his best cosmonaut saying that the Russian space program is dead.
    There is nothing to do. he says. why continue with his career? Wise words indeed.
    Someone needs to kick the ass of Russia monkey President before
    is too late and start selling its latest engines at discount to the americans.
    In order that he can host more good for nothing sports or finance more veterans from the
    patriotic war. No
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:39 am

    Vann7 wrote:The world record holder in space ,a Russian cosmonaut , resigning from his Job ,
    Because his Lame President does not take seriously Russia space program.
    Who will have guessed the monkey President strike back again?

    https://www.rt.com/news/385727-russian-record-holding-cosmonaut-resigns/

    He should try sports instead . the monkey Retarded President Putin ,spent more than 10x times
    in Sports than in Space.  A lot of  money in promoting the good old days of Soviet era in sports . How embarassing for Russia ,his best cosmonaut saying that the Russian space program is dead.
    There is nothing to do. he says. why continue with his career? Wise words indeed.
    Someone needs to kick the ass of Russia monkey President before
    is too late and start selling its latest engines at discount to the americans.
    In order that he can host more good for nothing sports or finance more veterans from the
    patriotic war. No

    The way I read the article is that Padalka isn't goin to fly again (at least not soon) so he'd rather move on.  This has more to do with ISS manning levels and lack of a Russian science module than anyhing else, plus there are other cosmonauts who want to fly, so why deny the new blood a chance at doing what they are training for just so an experienced Cosmonaut can achieve his own personal goals?

    Seriously Vann, over-doing the melodrama doesn't go down too well here...

    BTW monkey President?? What does Donald Trump have to do with this article?

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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:38 am

    Now the count of cosmonauts is Minus 3.. two others were dismissed for "medical reasons".

    http://tass.com/science/943001


    Imagine now a major boycot of Russian cosmonauts ,complaining against Putin the Retard,
    for ignoring Russia space program and not doing anything to compete with Americans?

    While NASA is announcing a travel to mars with humans , Putin keeps wasting money
    promoting his "healthy sports" and stupid olympics. Hopefully Americans and Europe
    boycott FIFA 2018 ,so that Russia government wake up for once and start thinking
    in real nation and science development. and lead Russia into becoming once
    again the leaders in Space as they used to be early in their space program.

    If Obama was in Power , he will have offered the cosmonaut who resigned a job in NASA
    (to humiliate for the 357th time ,the Moron president Putin and Russia) so that he can achieve his dreams under NASA space program but under the American flag ,using American in development space rockets.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:30 am

    Yeah... cosmonauts who can't fly for Russia because of medial reasons would obviously be a first choice ahead of US astronauts for NASA to put in space on the few man launch capable rockets they have.

    Vann, do you actually think Putin stands over Russia directing every single thing? Do you think he changes the lights from red to green on every traffic light in every street in russia?

    The Russian space agency gets a budget and THEY decide what they spend it on... if three Cosmonauts decide to retire... who gives a fuck.

    How many Russians will fly to Mars?

    How many play Soccer or other sports every weekend?

    Investments in sport are a lot more value than investments in space exploration.

    Understanding human biology will actually be critical to the exploration of space, so you can't have one without the other.

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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:35 am

    The simian President of Russia , that always expect to be slapped in the face before
    doing anything,to protect their nation interest. better get a clue of the US militarization
    of Space is in FULL SCALE.  



    That would be a little weird, though, to test a spy technology on a space station that is a symbol of international cooperation and transparency between not only NASA, but the space agencies from Russia, Japan, Europe and others.

    "I still don't know what to think of this all," writes Langbroek. "Are these figments of my imagination or is there really something going on here? I am at a loss."

    https://www.cnet.com/news/spacex-spy-satellite-usa-276-nrol-76-international-space-station-nasa/


    We are reaching a point in history where the Americans can kill Russians soldiers
    and have a big laugh about it ,and not even hide ,they arming terrorist Alqaeda and ISIS
    to kill Russians.and later what the healthy idiot President Putin does? complain at United Nations showing how weak and incompetent he is? that neither can defend its soldiers or its allies if US attack them.

    So whats next? US showing its ready to take the hostilities from Syria to space by showing
    what their space military can do by buzzing the space station. And of course is not the ISS
    what will be at risk. but it just sending a clear message to Russia ,what will be the next target
    of US military. Russia space program and satellites.

    The US military is sending signals and testing spy satellites that can fly close to the International Space station. For what other reasons is ,if not military ones?  This is a message to Russia , that US intends to dominate and fully control space. and not allow anyone to use it ,without its permission. i have been warning the clueless people in this forum about this dangerous threat that Russia will face ,in the very near future.  if for example Russia choose to develop its own Space station ,it will be harassed by US spy satellites and if Russia try to do any mission beyond earth orbit without US blessing ,it can shot down any Russian satellite and or space rocket going to the moon . that americans do not like .  So expect a major aggressive and hostile militarization of space by Americans ,in the next few years. or even less.

    it means that unless the Putin ,does not take seriously the dangerous move of US in space.
    and keep cutting their space budget , then any mission that Russia create to travel to the
    moon or mars or anywhere else ,will have to take into account that any space rocket could be attacked by secret spy satellites or weapons deployed by US and NATO in space.

    So Soyus program and any other one could be sabotage from space and in stealthy ways,
    and that they will deny any participation in the destruction of anything. and Russia will have no way to proof it was attacked.   So if Russia does not take seriously this hostile signs from americans ,it means we are withing months of a couple of years that a major accident will be provoked on anything Russia try to fly to space for civilians purposes.. Forcing Russia to provide space defenses to civilian space rockets. if it intend to not be isolated from space.

    Russia needs to make its own space station not in 10 years but in 3-5 as soon as possible ,and start developing space planes too armed with weapons ,that could be used as deterrence to US space program.  Americans never do anything by "coincidence" sending a spy satellite using near same orbit of ISS , this is done to call Russia attention of what they can do. so this was a hostile signal to Russia. make no mistake about that. Such things does not happen by accident.
    monitoring docking of space cargo from 20km away at the exact time it does ,have no purpose ,is not close enough. This was done only to show Russia ,what US military can do. And if Putin had any brains left. will be preparing for total abandon of any space treaty with Americans.
    and have the technology ready to in no time to deploy hundreds of its nuclear warheads with missiles in space. and space air defenses too. with lazer weapons. and no wait for US military to officially retreat from the START ,to start doing something.



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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:54 am

    Who needs the CIA when Putin can do it better.
    Now Putin says he is ready to supply S-400s air defenses to Turkey.

    http://tass.com/defense/949068


    So guess how long it will take for NATO to get full access to the system ,
    after a generous offer to reverse engineer them and understand everything.
    Hopefully Erdogan will use the missiles on Putin Plane ,whenever he get in range
    that way Russians will get rid of that traitor.  

    Wondering how people who defend Putin will spin now this ,for giving away
    S-400s to someone who provide weapons to Alqaeda to murder Russian soldiers. No
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:55 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    Who needs the CIA when Putin can do it better.
    Now Putin says he is ready to supply S-400s air defenses to Turkey.

    http://tass.com/defense/949068


    So guess how long it will take for NATO to get full access to the system ,
    after a generous offer to reverse engineer them and understand everything.
    Hopefully Erdogan will use the missiles on Putin Plane ,whenever he get in range
    that way Russians will get rid of that traitor.  

    Wondering how people who defend Putin will spin now this ,for giving away
    S-400s to someone who provide weapons to Alqaeda to murder Russian soldiers. No

    You are beyond fucking stupid.

    Never heard of export variants, have you?

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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:23 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    You are beyond fucking stupid.

    Never heard of export variants, have you?


    Don't you see imbecile that Erdogan is playing Putin ?

    Is arming alqaeda in Syria to kill Russian soldiers , you cannot trust in Erdogan .
    He will use those same missiles to shot down Russian planes. So who is the fucking stupid?

    He is being played. Putin is only providing this missiles in hopes Erdogan just be happy
    with the land he stole from Syria , but Americans will get access to technology from S-400
    in no time. Exports or not they still very useful for NATO , they can improve them even more.
    What will be next? S-500s?   As i said hopefully Putin plane gets shot down with the same
    missiles he gave Turkey for being so imbecile . You never give technology to your enemies .

    THe moron even provide the blue prints of Soyus engines to NASA so they can reverse
    engineer them , and travel to space without Russia. who needs Nalvany or Kurdrin when you have Putin. ???.

    listen your hero.. the most insecure man in the world.
    Downplaying his own nation Russia into the world.  Neutral

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo1CGECXARE

    I imagine Putin raised the moral of its Army by showing how weak he is.
     No  This is what Putin is a master. in being slapped in the face and
    turn the other cheek and say sorry. Laughing

    The moron even was ready to  providing firearms to OSCE.. who have been many times caught
    helping kiev junta to aim better at Donetsk forces.   Laughing  With leaders like this who needs
    enemies?  He is becoming more Insane the older he gets. This is not the same President that came to power in 2000 up to 2008. he needs to Go..  No



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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:28 am

    so you got no evidence other than "OMG THE POSSIBILITIES!!!"  instead, why don't you provide facts.  Give us the real facts about Soyuz Engines to Nasa (Blueprints).  Give facts that these Export variant air defense systems, which are to be used in multiple of states, is a threat to Russia who knows their own system, including the fact that it is an export variant - different from domestic.

    Only one who should be shot is you.  For the most ridiculous comments you come up with.  The fact the mods keep you around is either a sick joke or they suck at their job.

    BTW, way to use a fake video from a Ukrainian patriotic nazi.  More fake news you want to spread?  That isn't even what Putin said.  Want to share the actual video?  Because that isn't what he said.  That is fake translation + cut/Paste.  But you don't know Russian so it is understandable an idiot like you don't know better.

    Here is the entire transcript:
    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/52178
    But, to reiterate, indeed, this is none of our business although, in my opinion, even prosecutors there chase international observers away from polling stations during election campaigns. US prosecutors threaten to jail them. However, these are their own problems; this is how they do things and they like it. America is a great power, today perhaps the only superpower. We accept this. We want to work with the United States and we are prepared to. No matter how these elections go, eventually they will take place. There will be a [new] head of state with extensive powers. There are complicated internal political and economic processes at work in the United States. The world needs a powerful country like the United States, and we also need it. But we do not need it to continuously interfere in our affairs, telling us how to live, and preventing Europe from building a relationship with us.

    How are the sanctions that you have mentioned affecting the United States? In no way whatsoever. It could not care less about these sanctions because the consequences of our actions in response have no impact on it. They impact Europe but not the United States. Zero effect. However, the Americans are telling their partners: “Be patient.” Why should they? I do not understand. If they want to, let them.

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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:54 am

    miketheterrible wrote:so you got no evidence other than "OMG THE POSSIBILITIES!!!"  instead,

    BTW, way to use a fake video from a Ukrainian patriotic nazi.  More fake news you want to spread?  That isn't even what Putin said.  Want to share the actual video?  Because that isn't what he said.  That is fake translation + cut/Paste.  But you don't know Russian so it is understandable an idiot like you don't know better.



    OMG... this is old news mike.. if you saw RT.com every day you will see
    Putin in all its glory ,showing how WEAK and insecure president he is..


    American is a great power. Today, probably, the only superpower. We accept that. We want to and are ready to work with the United States. Elections are going to take place, there will be a head of state with huge powers. There are complex domestic political and economic processes going on in the USA. The world needs strong nations, like the US.

    If you have the leader of a Nation saying Americans are better than us.. then how do
    that Monkey President expect the World to ever take Russia seriously? The role of a leader
    is to raise the morale of a nation not to downplay it. If Putin have nothing good to say
    about Russia ,he simply should shut up . but to praise US and the only super power
    and later say how Russia needs them.  sounds like the biggest Dick sucking in public
    to Americans by a president in history. the only thing he didn't did is kneel and cry
    asking for forgiveness to their lovely masters.. lol1  

    If i was a hater of Russia ,and saw such embarrassing behavior of the Top leader
    of a nation . That will be a signal to hit Russia harder that Putin will break. No  

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/why-did-putin-call-us-superpower/ri15137

    Russia insider a PRO Russian media. reported it.. i saw it in RT by the way.. but it was
    removed ,so embarrassing it was to see a President of Russia ,downplaying its own nation.
    Everyone was greater than Russia and Him. Praised Americans Super power, Praised Italy
    for being a Great speaker ,everyone was superior than Russia and him.   lol1

    Then you see Putin. mmm.. nnn.. errr. cought.. mmm.. nn. showing how insecure the man
    was.. it was for sure the most shameful behavior of Putin in public. and i blame him
    for the the very low image Russia as a leader ,he project in the world ,in comparison to US and Europe.

    After than day.. it completely confirmed my worse Fear , that man have no fucking clue
    of what he is doing. If Russians ever wants to have a chance to avoid a war , it needs to
    break NATO.. is a simple as that.. and it will never achieve it , by following Americans leadership in the world ,asking for their blessings. praising americans as the only leader of the world. Putin that day downplayed Russia , and in what a way. It shows all other nations that not even Russia can handle United States pressure. so how does Putin expect to ever influence Europeans to leave NATO ? if he downplay his own nation and offers no alternative.? No


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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:56 am

    I posted the whole transcript.  You are too fucking stupid to read so I figure there is no hope for you.  But simply put, why don't you read the whole thing?  It makes a lot of fucking sense.  Something that clearly went over your head.

    Learn to read please, before you make the rest of us stupid.

    Read the whole transcript if you can read at all.  Let me give you a hint: US is possible the sole superpower left (which is technically true since Russia doesn't have the same strength in its abilities to project its power beyond its borders like US does) and that the world needs a super power on the premise of respecting everyones rights.  Which he blatantly says afterwords.  Which you are ignoring to push your agenda, which is nonsensical and you are blatantly pushing fake details and news.

    We would be better off without you on this board to be honest.  You try to push your viewpoint as that we are all stupid but you.  You even think that you are smarter than the whole Russian MoD who gives greenlight to these sales.  Instead, it is the complete other way around.  You are the one that is foolish and completely out of touch with reality.  Not us.

    Another quote for you. Once again, if you can read:

    We do not lavish praise on anybody. It’s none of our business. As Germans say, “this is not our beer.” Because when they make their choice, we will work with any president who has received the support of the American people, in the hope that it will be a person who seeks to develop relations with our country and help build a more secure world

    BTW, where is the Blueprint details?

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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:17 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Read the whole transcript if you can read at all.  Let me give you a hint: US is possible the sole superpower left (which is technically true since Russia doesn't have the same strength in its abilities to project its power beyond its borders like US does) and that the world needs a super power on the premise of respecting everyones rights.  Which he blatantly says afterwords.  Which you are ignoring to push your agenda, which is nonsensical and you are blatantly pushing fake details and news.
    .

    Your own trascript confirm the post..

    look



    Putin : America is a great power, today perhaps the only superpower. We accept this. We want to work with the United States and we are prepared to  



    He then later backed down and was ready to allow ARMED OSCE mission in Donetsk.. if he is insane?  This is Putin Biggest problem. I know what the idiot is doing.  and it makes me want to
    slap his face till he stop that.  and become a leader again.

    he is trying to influence Americans with weakness. thats it. This was even noticed by many
    in US media. Is a form of manipulation.. children do this by crying to get the toy they want..
    Putin is apologizing to Americans,praising them , to get their forgiveness.  Laughing
    . For ending the cold war.   No This is why no one in Europe takes Russia seriously mike.. because is WEAK. and also follows US.. then later Putin complains why he is alone in Syria or why no one in the west takes Russia interest seriously.  Neutral

    Only way out for Russia ,of this nightmare Putin created is to either he resign and a real
    leader takes his place. the Italian Prime Minister will be a good option. it have the endorsement of Putin. Laughing or that he keeps his mouth quiet and never speak again ,to praise again the west and make Russia a truly Independent nation in the world. and S-400s to Erdogan?  Laughing   Wondering what Russian military serviceman who lost their people
    to Erdogan backed jihadist opinion about this will be. Laughing

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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:29 am

    You clearly didn't read the transcript. Skimmed through and grabbed what you wanted. Did you read the other parts? Did you even read the question? No you didn't. You blatantly ignored about how the US needs to learn to respect others.

    As for the rest, your knowledge of current affairs is evidence of your lack of knowledge. So where has Russia conceded to the US?
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:46 pm

    I think you might be missing the bigger picture. It is not about what you are pretending to be but how fast are your defining and acquiring your goals with whatever purpose you find it to be the best for the game, how  fast you can adjust, how fast you .... you get the picture.

    I think by doing like you think would do, Russia would find itself overstretched very fast and there is no need for that. You have to pick your own battles and Ukraine is not going anywhere. If for any reason Putin thinks that said strategy could ease for Trump to meat with Putin and not to get impeached in a procss who gives a f.

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