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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:19 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:You clearly didn't read the transcript. Skimmed through and grabbed what you wanted. Did you read the other parts? Did you even read the question? No you didn't. You blatantly ignored about how the US needs to learn to respect others.

    As for the rest, your knowledge of current affairs is evidence of your lack of knowledge. So where has Russia conceded to the US?


    Are you blind?  Neutral



    Putin :  America is a great power, today perhaps the only superpower.
    We accept this . We want to work with the United States and
    we are prepared to ...


    So i need to make you drawings so you see how Putin is on its knees begging Americans
    to end the hostilities against Russia ?  What kind of BULLSHIT is that ? Is that a Leader to you?

    Go and see the video again . Total insecurity when speaking... err.. emmm.. we.. mmm.
    He doesn't know anymore what to do.  His insecurity , and his praising of Americans ,in moments they are in a cold war with Russia ,and close to a hot one , is very dangerous.
    Because Putin Encourage Americans to beat Russia more..  No

    Here more mistakes..  of the "Genius President"

    Jun 2 2017..  in ST petersburg economic forum..

    Putin asking for help Americans.  No

    https://www.rt.com/business/390590-putin-us-business/

    take a look at some of the things that people notice after that report..



    Looks like Putin become beggar not a leader


    This is... exactly the problem Russia have. That Russia is without a leader . Leaders don't beg
    for help , leaders don't praise enemies , leaders don't downplay their own nation , leaders
    are supposed to raise the morale of its people. and its army.. not lower it.
    Putin is little by little becoming a beggar , he is basically now saying.."
    please someone help me. "  American business help me... Western media help me.  No   This is bad Mike.. This is Horrible. this man needs to GO..  He is really badly advice ,because if Americans were about to give up in Syria and Ukraine,, after listening Putin , they will say.. hey this man is now chickening and is about to break. lets increase the pressure.  Putin was not that way always.. No  This is not the Putin of 2000 who made Russia great again..

    So he complains about Americans support for terrorism this or that. against american
    missiles near Russia.  yes he is right.. but is not complaining how you can change things..

    http://i.imgur.com/3KLEX5k.jpg



    cry and cry and complain that Americans are unfair in the world. What he is really doing is telling the world HOW WEAK Russia is ,and that Russia is NOT an option to americans. since not even Russia can handle the American pressure.  No   this is like treason.
    If it is proven he is doing this on purpose ,he deserve to be shot. for treason. but is not treason
    putin problem. but that he is A MORON and very Ignorant about western culture and weak.
    he ask Europeans to not follow americans.. but the problem is that Russia DOES NOTHING to offer them an alternative and Russia goes and follows americans. Putin complains about terrorism and the sponsoring of terrorism.. and look what the Moron does..



    Since Putin came to power ,all the moron have been doing is.
    1)Try to create a world monopoly in easy energy business and put all the eggs there.
    2)Totally allowing Americans to dominate in all important business ,steal the show in everything.
    3)Modernize the army to be able to defend against NATO..

    At least the idiot did something right..that is modernize its military. but the problem is that he is not doing anything to either stop American Empire ,neither to Influence them so they stop their hostilities.  Putin is in the wrong job ,he could be better as Defense minister. one that deals with balancing military budget and thats it. or he could work as diplomat. and stay away of anything else. By building better nukes and better army you are not going to influence Americans and win their support. by winning in olympics neither. Victory parades neither.
    The only way Russia can influence Americans and Europeans is by being a better nation in business. thats it. Putin needs to stop NATO.. and the best way to do it is by influencing either Americans or Europeans to drop it. how? by convincing them they need Russia.. and how will that happen? By creating Amazing Business ,that will rival the western ones. and with that i don't mean healthy food or any other crap or selling more potatoes than any other nation. i mean Modern technology business that win the hearts of the west .  it means Russia needs to compete with Intel ,Apple, Microsoft ,and or Hollywood and or Space. and not allow americans to always steal the show in every single dam thing. angry

    It doesn't need to be the best in everything , but at least Russia needs to show that is not just a gas station with taxi to the  ISS. and powerful army.  Russia major problem ,in solving its own problems ,(that americans create on them) is its lack on influence in the west. its lack of leadership. nothing more and nothing less. is a problem of influence and putin is the one to blame.  By Begging the enemy , by praising them , by doing business with terror sponsor nations .  So pathetic have been Putin as leader , that he needs to ask permission americans
    to bomb Alqaeda in syria.  No  yes . i don't know how blind people can be. not see Putin is a really bad leader. and the only thing he is good is in begging ,and using weakness and politeness to manipulate enemies and predicting what Americans intentions are.

    Kudrin told ,the 5th column , that Russia needs to privatize the Energy business and i agree.
    Not because of Kudrin reasons , because for sure ,he is only thinking in pleasing his western masters.  But because Russia needs to destroy US and Middle east energy business. So all business and transportation no longer needs oil and not even natural gass. Once that happens Saudi Arabia will collapse ,ending ISIS and Alqaeda business and it will end US artificial inflation of its economy too. and will hit hard US economy ,if middle east no longer sells energy. it will hit Canada too and end the wars for oil pipelines.  But putin clearly have shown he is not going to  stop NATO ,because he will not challenge their world leadership. since will do nothing to become an alternative to US. He is instead promoting Russia to become the world biggest healthy food exporter. Rolling Eyes


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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:24 pm

    Once again Vann, you are making things up.  Clearly you cannot even read your own quote.  US is the sole superpower.  They have the ability to go everywhere.  Russia doesn't.  As well, the world needs superpowers LIKE the US.  What part of that do you not comprehend?  In this case, Russia already has one - China.  And guess what? China respects Russia's position in the world and hence why they have good prospects for further development.

    I think you are too fucking stupid and incompetent in your reading comprehension.  As well, you once again proved you refuse to read further into the question and even what was said.

    So, care to point out how Russia gave in to the US?  You would think, with your (limited and incomprehensible) set of knowledge, that Russia would have gave in because the US is what Russia needs.  So, can you point it out to all of us?  Or are you going to ignore this request too?

    Since you are stupid and blind, here:

    But, to reiterate, indeed, this is none of our business although, in my opinion, even prosecutors there chase international observers away from polling stations during election campaigns. US prosecutors threaten to jail them. However, these are their own problems; this is how they do things and they like it. America is a great power, today perhaps the only superpower. We accept this. We want to work with the United States and we are prepared to. No matter how these elections go, eventually they will take place. There will be a [new] head of state with extensive powers. There are complicated internal political and economic processes at work in the United States. The world needs a powerful country like the United States, and we also need it. But we do not need it to continuously interfere in our affairs, telling us how to live, and preventing Europe from building a relationship with us.

    How are the sanctions that you have mentioned affecting the United States? In no way whatsoever. It could not care less about these sanctions because the consequences of our actions in response have no impact on it. They impact Europe but not the United States. Zero effect. However, the Americans are telling their partners: “Be patient.” Why should they? I do not understand. If they want to, let them.

    BTW, since you cannot read or even come up with even a half decent argument with NO examples of a real world situation, I got something for you that will make you cry because you wish Putin would be dead and how bad he is for Russians:

    http://tass.com/politics/948935
    http://tass.com/politics/949532
    http://tass.com/politics/949515

    Sure sounds like someone who doesn't "do as America wants or does" now does it? But you probably wont read the articles.

    Oh, and guess who got Crimea back into Russia, without the US permission and then cause the US to go batshit insane? Putin.

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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:58 pm


    Putin told " The world needs a powerful country like the United States, and we also need it. "

    Russia needs US.. but US don't need Russia.. did you Understand this?
    This  IS   Russia problem in the world. Is not really needed for the west.
    US and Europe can replace easily anything Russia produce. So not needed.
     Russia counter American Global Empire of terror ,with words only. not actions.
    Because neither fight Americans and Neither try to influence them with business.
    Understand this?

    So Putin can't continue expecting ,that by Begging, Praising them and being polite
    he will be able to stop stop the cold war ,almost hot and stop NATO global domination ambitions and hostilities against Russia. Understand this?

    What he achieve is doing the opposite of what he wants. He is encouraging Americans to beat more Russia ,because he is showing clear weakness and that is about to break. He neither can expect to disband NATO ,just because Putin's logic .  Simply plain and simple.
    Russia needs to stop following americans and create their own world ,it could do it with China.
    This means Total Independence from the west not only for the Government ,but of Russian citizens too. and made Russia a fully independent nation.

    and he doesn't need either to completely break relations with west. but to show people in Europe that Russia and its allies can be an alternative to the west. but by showing weakness
    he will not convince anyone.


    For what reason Mike ,you think the Ukrainians wanted to join the US+EU world?
    It is because their shit smell better? they are prettier maybe? their skin color perhaps?
    It is all about money?   NO....

    Is all about Future progress. is all about nation development ,that US and Europe and its allied block leads the world in that. they show more future nation development. Russia focus mostly in energy ,wheat and military. big mistake. While Putin was "influencing" Ukraine with gas discounts. lol1  Americans was influencing Ukraine ,with Apple ,with Hollywood, with its unstopable computer industry. with its electronic entertainment industry. and all its business.   US foreign policy is all about creating an Empire and Russia foreign policy is all about surviving their attacks.. Russia needs to pass from the defense to the offense. and no ,not saying to start a world war 3 ,but to start to compete with the west and defeat them in their same business ,that they use to influence the world.

    This is why Russia is alone without friends in the world, without real allies. because of Russia lack of leadership in Business and influence in the world. Only rejected countries IRAN,north Korea ,Syria really support Russia with everything. Not even CHINA have moved a finger to help Russia in syria. So bad . No

    alright this is my end discussion about this.. will not mind if all this moved to another thread. ^^

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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:43 pm

    Just a minor point, ignoring the export version issue and the rants going on, isn't it likely given production lead times that no S-400 will be delivered until long after the Syrian war is over?
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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:00 am

    Rogozin stated no agreement was signed anyway.

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    The real threat for Russia space program is not SpaceX... but PutinX..

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:18 pm

    Austin wrote:Longish  Interview with   Roskosmos head Igor Komarov

    BUSINESS FM. Igor Komarov: "WE TRANSLATE fight with the emergency on Earth"


    https://www.roscosmos.ru/23730/



    ^^ He admits Space X is a threat Accordingly, Komarov outlined a strategy for how he believes Russia will compete with SpaceX over the next five years. For the short-term Russian space agency will be working to reduce production cost and over the next 5 years or so they will  finalize development of the Soyuz 5 rocket, a medium-lift vehicle in the same lift class as the Falcon 9 rocket. They estimate that SpaceX with its push towards reusable rockets will only be able to reduce costs by 15-20 percent which is the same as the expendable Soyuz 5 will do.

    The real threat for Russia space program is not SpaceX...  but PutinX..  
    He should not be allowed to ever managed Russian budget at all or have a say on anything.
    While Russia reduce the budget of its space program in half.. look at the things that Putin
    the moron waste Russia budget.  Laughing




    The next video illustrate perfectly well ,what i think about Putin and his Olympics.



    and a video that every Russian citizens should see.. specially Putin.

    Why do people care about sports?




    Putin himself have told don't use internet.  Shocked   so how does he expect to understand how Russian citizens think ,what they like ,what is popular ,if he don't navigate internet? One thing is a report from the FSB and another to have direct experience. Putin is so disconnected from the world he lives and he is clueless of how Americans manage to influence Ukrainians ,Georgia ,belarus and every other nation at his borders. he neither understand how Americans manage to control Europeans.. is not American military what controls Europe , is not Americans economy either. is not American medals in the olympics. is not Serena Willians or Michael Phelps what helps United states to take control over Europe. NO..  is not sports.
    Is American leadership , American Influence of  their most prestigious business ,Intel,Microsoft,Apple ,Nvidia ,Hollywood ,Entertainment industry ,that dominates the world ,what makes Europe to continue with such destructive alliance of American created System. Right now China have more money than Americans.. but China have no chance to make Europe turn away from United
    States and pick China instead. IS American Leadership ,American nation development , american culture what drives the world. Is American computers ,Apple smartphones ,their
    control of internet ,their software industry ,they own it ,their movies and games ,their control of the financial system ,NASA moon landing (fake or not) ,totally eclipsed America as the world leader ,and their influence on the planet culture.  and the very fact that Putin does not challenge any of that. Russia have every fucking opportunity to eclipse NASA and Putin do
    nothing to challenge americans not even in space. SpaceX is just the start of a major competition that will only grow. taking advantage of Putin being happy with being a taxi to the ISS.  SO Putin complain with the injustice of the American system but does nothing to create an alternative one.  Rolling Eyes

    take a look how US influence the world..



    Why there are no statues of Russian movies anywhere?
    oh wait because most focus of Russians  movies they export in in their glory days of their soviet times.  you have disney parks in America.. based on their movies.. in Russia you have
    world war 2 parks.. celebrating their victory. Is completely opposite nations. Putin's Russia
    live in the soviet union , Americans culture live in the present and future.


    is also NASA the one that steal the show in space , they show images of Jupiter ,Netpune
    and other planets ,send probes through the entire solar system. This is how you Promote
    your nation. by leading .. not in contest of eating cheeseburgers or selling more potatoes..
    no.. but in contest that shows your nation is way more developed ,more advanced than every other.  

    This is Russia biggest biggest biggest problem by far. is not ISIS or Terrorism , the biggest problem of Russia. is not even the CIA who finance them. The biggest problem Is PutinX
    incredible short sighted policies , for Russia. he complains and complains and complains
    how unfair are Americans ,how disrespecting are Americans to them , Putin complains about
    the world not taking Russia seriously about why Europe is not independent .

    But he don't see ,how he is directly responsible for the lack of respect ,of the west in not taking seriously Russia and their interest. Because they see Russia as a nation that is not needed at all to exist because oppose their system and offers NO alternative to it. All they contribute to Americans is only in their space program and is nothing that americans could not do themselves in a matter of small period of time. with spaceX and NASA future projects.

    So the question they ask is why they need to renounce to their created System ,when Russia offers no alternative to it at all ? why would Americans accept to share the world with Russia ,when Russia produce nothing they could not get somewhere else? This is why they will continue destabilizing Russia , and this is why as long Putin is in Power , Russia will continue
    forever being disrespected and slapped in their face. again and again. thanks to Putin.. that thinks that nuclear and military might is what will force Americans to end their sanctions on Russia and end their hostilities on Russian allies. No

    If Russia was stealing the show in Space ,like Soviets were doing , and even going further landing in the moon and mars with humans ,and show complete domination of space exploratio to the moon and mars ,things will be completely different. and US will be forced to drop the sanctions and end the cold war ,if it does not want to become Isolated from the world.
    This is because the the world likes to follow leaders and not insecure people like Putin that
    the only thing they do is complain about how unfair is life to them.  No

    Sports is nothing more than a bragging rights competition , based on completely superficial
    activities ,who can jump more ,who can dance better all silly things. yes they help in the economy ,same way that promoting Russian museums helps , promoting Tourism. But it
    doesn't help in Russia to break the hegemony created by the Americans in the world. It doesn't weaken NATO in any way. What will weaken NATO is Russia own nation leadership ,that it becomes an alternative to the American system. Russia could do that either alone or in alliance with nations like China ,South korea or Japan. ,but problem is Russia not even try to compete
    with Americans in where it matters. No


    So i will like to be optimistic but i can't. With Putin in power Russia will never take off ever.
    and he will remain aiding Americans to eclipse Russia in everything ,for his very shot sight
    vision of the direction of Russia.  Russia needs a real Leader that have the courage ,to make
    Russia 100% independent nation of the west. And have comparable technology and business if not better than the one American produce. This is how you break the american empire ,by defeating them in their own business. not by winning medals in olympics or by building bigger nukes. this will also benefit Americans citizens too. Because their government will see it needs Russia ,and will make US ally to Russia ,because no longer will want to destroy it. when it can benefit a lot from its friendship.

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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:25 am

    Your problem Vann is that you think Russia is better off separating itself from the rest of the world.

    The reality is that the rest of the world is not going anywhere, and it is in the best interests of Russia to communicate and have good relations with the world as far as it can.

    You are right in the sense that the west does not want Russia to progress and become powerful and will do everything it can to undermine its progress and growth.

    What Russia should not do however is mistake the west in general and the EU and US as the world.

    There are plenty of countries that just want to get ahead like Russia does and does not want to deal with the wests bullshit... the problem is that the west has a lot of money and power so future growth will likely always include cooperation and ties with them to some extent.

    Careful use of money in areas that will benefit Russia, and careful law making that does not allow the wolves in (ie international corporations) is the only way forward and for the moment the worlds economy is dominated by the west, so Russia needs to deal in that economy. The reality is that Russia cannot afford to stop selling the EU gas just like the EU cannot afford more expensive forms of energy... otherwise they both would.


    ^^ He admits Space X is a threat Accordingly, Komarov outlined a strategy for how he believes Russia will compete with SpaceX over the next five years.

    That is like saying Russia is a greater threat to the world than ISIS... which is true in the sense that Russia can wipe out much of the civilised world if it wanted to whereas ISIS has no such capability.

    THAT IS NOT TO SAY RUSSIA WILL ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING, just like Space X wont destroy the Russian space agency either. They might lose a few contracts... big deal. It is called making a mountain out of a mole hill.


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    You can't win , Russia can't win when it have a President that hates space and masturbate

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:04 am

    PapaDragon wrote:



    Looks like Energia rocket will definitely have it's day after all. In retrospect, shame about Buran but you can't win everything...

    You can't win , Russia can't win when it have a President that hates space and masturbate
    with Hockey and the Olympics.. He is the biggest problem today for Russia space program
    to be taken to the same level it was under soviet times ,that was ambitious , Traveling to mars ,
    rovers in the moon ,landers in Venus. Space shuttles. and already testing manned super heavy rockets for manned missions like N-1.. So Russia is playing catchup to get at the level their space program was in the late 60s and early 70s. .  No

    If Putin just dropped his obsession with stupid sports . It was its the stupid sports budget the one that had to be slashed by half and no the space program. As i said before , Russia waste an incredibly high amount of money in Olympics. Between Sochi and FIFA in just 3 years  ,Russia
    will spend 51 + 11 = $62.000.000.000  , thats 62 billions dollars!! as much as Russia entire military budget. It signed with China a train , for $250 billions dollars , to completely rape
    Russians citizens. Putin is the major Problem with Russia space program. He is the ONLY obstacle Russia space program face. That he does not take seriously space.

    Russia needs to have learn to focus in priorities , and give #1 priority to space above every other thing. Have several projects running at the same time. Working for a Super heavy rocket
    for the moon , not in the year 2028 , or the year 3,000.  but just in 3-5 years instead. To really
    be in an emergency status and building space rockets as if Russia future depended on it.

    Americans understand how important is for them to be seen as clear leaders in the world and to beat Russia in everything. But Putin don't understand how important for him to not allow
    Russia to be left behind in space. The next time i hear Putin complaining Russia is not taken seriously by the west and don't respect Russia interest and Bitch about how unfair is the american system ,please someone put a bullet in his head Is like an insult , how the idiot is completely BLIND about how destructive is his very weak development of Russia in comparison with what Russia is really capable to do ,and have been doing since the late 60's and 70s..

    is so frustrated to see how the west and China will be taking the headlines in space in the near future and Putin will be speaking about how important is healthy sports and bragging about
    how much wheat and potatoes Russia export world wide. Russian people deserve much better than that. No


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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:42 am

    If Putin can turn Russia into a country that plays all sorts of sports, as opposed to many western countries where the masses (and I emphasise masses...) sit on their asses and watch sport on TV... then that would benefit Russia more than getting to watch something land on another planet every 20 or 30 years like the US...

    For the average taxpayer a space programme is about pride and watching someone else put their feet where no one has done so before... big deal.


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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:44 pm

    GarryB wrote:If Putin can turn Russia into a country that plays all sorts of sports, as opposed to many western countries where the masses (and I emphasise masses...) sit on their asses and watch sport on TV... then that would benefit Russia more than getting to watch something land on another planet every 20 or 30 years like the US...

    For the average taxpayer a space programme is about pride and watching someone else put their feet where no one has done so before... big deal.

    Garry, only one line of text that Vann posted has anything to do with space program. Rest of it is directionless ranting about sports, politics, Putin, America and Soviet history.

    Why haven't you removed it from this tread?

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    Post  T-47 on Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:18 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:



    Looks like Energia rocket will definitely have it's day after all. In retrospect, shame about Buran but you can't win everything...

    You can't win , Russia can't win when it have a President that hates space and masturbate
    with Hockey and the Olympics.. He is the biggest problem today for Russia space program
    to be taken to the same level it was under soviet times ,that was ambitious , Traveling to mars ,
    rovers in the moon ,landers in Venus. Space shuttles. and already testing manned super heavy rockets for manned missions like N-1.. So Russia is playing catchup to get at the level their space program was in the late 60s and early 70s. .  No

    If Putin just dropped his obsession with stupid sports . It was its the stupid sports budget the one that had to be slashed by half and no the space program. As i said before , Russia waste an incredibly high amount of money in Olympics. Between Sochi and FIFA in just 3 years  ,Russia
    will spend 51 + 11 = $62.000.000.000  , thats 62 billions dollars!! as much as Russia entire military budget. It signed with China a train , for $250 billions dollars , to completely rape
    Russians citizens. Putin is the major Problem with Russia space program. He is the ONLY obstacle Russia space program face. That he does not take seriously space.

    Russia needs to have learn to focus in priorities , and give #1 priority to space above every other thing. Have several projects running at the same time. Working for a Super heavy rocket
    for the moon , not in the year 2028 , or the year 3,000.  but just in 3-5 years instead. To really
    be in an emergency status and building space rockets as if Russia future depended on it.

    Americans understand how important is for them to be seen as clear leaders in the world and to beat Russia in everything. But Putin don't understand how important for him to not allow
    Russia to be left behind in space. The next time i hear Putin complaining Russia is not taken seriously by the west and don't respect Russia interest and Bitch about how unfair is the american system ,please someone put a bullet in his head  Is like an insult , how the idiot is completely BLIND about how destructive is his very weak development of Russia in comparison with what Russia is really capable to do ,and have been doing since the late 60's and 70s..

    is so frustrated to see how the west and China will be taking the headlines in space in the near future and Putin will be speaking about how important is healthy sports and bragging about
    how much wheat and potatoes Russia export world wide. Russian people deserve much better than that.  No



    Of course he hates space, he hates everything, he knows that being Brezhnev 2.0 will only be the assurance of collapse of Russian Federation itself, he hates that too. He is prioritizing, but wisely not fanatically. At the end of the day people will always need wheat and potato for their stomach. Not heavy rocket and manned spaceships.
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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:50 am

    Garry, only one line of text that Vann posted has anything to do with space program. Rest of it is directionless ranting about sports, politics, Putin, America and Soviet history.

    Why haven't you removed it from this tread?



    You sound a little lost my friend can I suggest you check the title and location of this thread again because last time I looked this is the general chat section and this is the anti Putin thread... which means any talk of the Russian space agency is actually off topic except where it relates to Putin...


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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:08 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Garry, only one line of text that Vann posted has anything to do with space program. Rest of it is directionless ranting about sports, politics, Putin, America and Soviet history.

    Why haven't you removed it from this tread?



    You sound a little lost my friend can I suggest you check the title and location of this thread again because last time I looked this is the general chat section and this is the anti Putin thread... which means any talk of the Russian space agency is actually off topic except where it relates to Putin...

    it was in russian space program news and i transferred it Garry Smile


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    Re: Anti-Putin Discussion

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:29 am

    Ahh, good... carry on. Smile


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