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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:12 pm

    Viktor wrote:Excellent  thumbsup

    Russia, China May Cooperate on Floating Nuclear Power Plants Construction

    Sisi May Sign Deal on 2 NPP Units Construction in Egypt During Russia Visit

    Excellent indeed. thumbsup

    Although, I wonder why would Chinese need floating NPPs for? It's quite a mystery.... lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  kvs on Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:37 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Excellent  thumbsup

    Russia, China May Cooperate on Floating Nuclear Power Plants Construction

    Sisi May Sign Deal on 2 NPP Units Construction in Egypt During Russia Visit

    Excellent indeed. thumbsup

    Although, I wonder why would Chinese need floating NPPs for? It's quite a mystery.... lol1 lol1 lol1

    Perhaps some of the newly created islands in the South China Sea will have big bases on them Smile



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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:26 am

    Mobile power stations would be useful for specific situations.... imagine building a dam on a large river... for the build you will need thousands of people to work on the project and a small village will be created but only to build the dam. When the dam is finished you would only need a couple of houses for workers, so you put up temporary housing for the thousands and park a nuclear power station on a boat nearby to provide power and heat... when the dam is built take away the temporary housing and leave a couple of permanent houses for those operating the dam and everything else can go to the next project.

    Would also be ideal for islands where power and fresh water are always a problem...

    In some coastal areas their might be a temporary problem with lack of power that a ship could deal with while other more permanent solutions are found.

    I remember a while back that California had power shortages... sail a couple of NNPs there and plug them in to the grid to fill the gap.... better than power blackouts.


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:17 pm

    So Sisi didn't sign anything regarding NPP's in Russia.

    http://ria.ru/world/20150901/1222772707.html

    Now he will negotiate with China then with Korea. I figured this as much. Egypt may not get any Russian nuclear power plants. I think Russia signed far too many deals to help Egypt while Egypt may be willing to stab Russia in the back. We will see.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:59 pm

    sepheronx wrote:So Sisi didn't sign anything regarding NPP's in Russia.

    http://ria.ru/world/20150901/1222772707.html

    Now he will negotiate with China then with Korea.  I figured this as much.  Egypt may not get any Russian nuclear power plants.  I think Russia signed far too many deals to help Egypt while Egypt may be willing to stab Russia in the back.  We will see.

    You might be jumping the gun here, for all we know they could just as easily be looking for the best deal possible, they even mentioned NPP's being packaged with desalination plants (something I suspected/predicted would happen). It's quite possible that Egypt get's Russian NPP's, and Chinese desalination plants, as a 'win-win' scenario.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  Militarov on Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:55 pm

    "Floating nuclear power stations are planned to be used mainly in the Russian Arctic. Five of these will be used by Gazprom for offshore oil and gas field development and for operations on the Kola and Yamal peninsulas. According to Rosatom, 15 countries, including China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Algeria, Namibia, Cape Verde and Argentina, have shown interest in hiring such a device."
    Source: studiofmt/english/renewable-energy-sources/

    I suspect many countries with developed offshore drilling will be interested in such devices, also imagine some small island that has 50.000 citizens and no electricity source but solar panels? For them this would be a blessing.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:13 am

    Another aspect not considered is that a very small island in the middle of the ocean will struggle to get enough fresh water if its population is a significant size.

    Rainfall is unreliable and collecting enough when it falls can be problematic.

    A nuclear power station on a ship can use salt water cooling and as an operational coolant and be paired with a desalination plant that generates fresh water as a by product of the electricity generation process. Similarly providing fresh hot water can also be used in arctic regions where fresh water is not readily available and of course the super hot high pressure water can be used for heating facilities so the electricity can be used for other things...


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  Militarov on Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:47 am

    GarryB wrote:Another aspect not considered is that a very small island in the middle of the ocean will struggle to get enough fresh water if its population is a significant size.

    Rainfall is unreliable and collecting enough when it falls can be problematic.

    A nuclear power station on a ship can use salt water cooling and as an operational coolant and be paired with a desalination plant that generates fresh water as a by product of the electricity generation process. Similarly providing fresh hot water can also be used in arctic regions where fresh water is not readily available and of course the super hot high pressure water can be used for heating facilities so the electricity can be used for other things...

    Agreed on that, it can be even used to provide hot water for population if needed you just need pipelines.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  Viktor on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:27 am

    Nice thumbsup

    Russia Mulls Participation in Armenian NPP New Power Unit Construction

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:44 am

    Militarov wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Another aspect not considered is that a very small island in the middle of the ocean will struggle to get enough fresh water if its population is a significant size.

    Rainfall is unreliable and collecting enough when it falls can be problematic.

    A nuclear power station on a ship can use salt water cooling and as an operational coolant and be paired with a desalination plant that generates fresh water as a by product of the electricity generation process. Similarly providing fresh hot water can also be used in arctic regions where fresh water is not readily available and of course the super hot high pressure water can be used for heating facilities so the electricity can be used for other things...

    Agreed on that, it can be even used to provide hot water for population if needed you just need pipelines.
    The reactor to be used is probably the one that is used in the icebreakers.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  Militarov on Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:14 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Another aspect not considered is that a very small island in the middle of the ocean will struggle to get enough fresh water if its population is a significant size.

    Rainfall is unreliable and collecting enough when it falls can be problematic.

    A nuclear power station on a ship can use salt water cooling and as an operational coolant and be paired with a desalination plant that generates fresh water as a by product of the electricity generation process. Similarly providing fresh hot water can also be used in arctic regions where fresh water is not readily available and of course the super hot high pressure water can be used for heating facilities so the electricity can be used for other things...

    Agreed on that, it can be even used to provide hot water for population if needed you just need pipelines.
    The reactor to be used is probably the one that is used in the icebreakers.

    Yes, KLT40S modification of KLT40M. Go to iaea.org and add /NuclearPower/Downloadable/aris/2013/25.KLT-40S.pdf there is nice brochure about the reactor.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:29 am

    In a lot of small and even large towns in Siberia they have centralised water heating systems that provide hot water for all sorts of uses including heating to the building in the town/village.

    With the reactor generating hot water as a byproduct means it can provide heating as well as fresh water and electricity.

    I remember they developed a small nuclear reactor for spacecraft that was intended to operate for 13 years or so and provide electricity and heating too. It was a small modular system 1m square and 4 metres long...


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  Militarov on Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:41 pm

    GarryB wrote:In a lot of small and even large towns in Siberia they have centralised water heating systems that provide hot water for all sorts of uses including heating to the building in the town/village.

    With the reactor generating hot water as a byproduct means it can provide heating as well as fresh water and electricity.

    I remember they developed a small nuclear reactor for spacecraft that was intended to operate for 13 years or so and provide electricity and heating too. It was a small modular system 1m square and 4 metres long...

    Yes i am aware, in almost every country that has major winters something of a sort exists, and this would be really good solution for isolated places that are fairly near seashore, probably cheaper even than building couple thousand km of gaspipes or burning coal.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:18 pm

    Started development of uranium deposits in the sources Khiagdinskoye ore field in Buryatia

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:48 am

    Yes i am aware, in almost every country that has major winters something of a sort exists, and this would be really good solution for isolated places that are fairly near seashore, probably cheaper even than building couple thousand km of gaspipes or burning coal.

    It really doesn't get very cold down here in NZ, so it is not really something I was familiar with.

    They could sail these vessels to all sorts of remote coastline areas in Russia, but also up many of their large rivers too.

    Would be interesting for them to develop a rail equivalent model that is based on a few train carriages with connectors for heat and electricity... the problem there of course is an abundant supply of water for cooling might become an issue, but having 20 carriages attached with water in them should solve that problem...


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  Militarov on Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:40 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Yes i am aware, in almost every country that has major winters something of a sort exists, and this would be really good solution for isolated places that are fairly near seashore, probably cheaper even than building couple thousand km of gaspipes or burning coal.

    It really doesn't get very cold down here in NZ, so it is not really something I was familiar with.

    They could sail these vessels to all sorts of remote coastline areas in Russia, but also up many of their large rivers too.

    Would be interesting for them to develop a rail equivalent model that is based on a few train carriages with connectors for heat and electricity... the problem there of course is an abundant supply of water for cooling might become an issue, but having 20 carriages attached with water in them should solve that problem...

    In my city here whole downtown and most of the urban area is connected to the "central heating", its basically hot water heated by coal/gas/electrictiy depends being pumped though whole city to heat up radiators in apartments, and my city isnt very big mby 90.000ppl. In big cities like Moscow you have maybe even hundreds of smaller plants heating water for same purpose, i belive they also use same water for their daily needs dish washing, bathing etc since water is being constantly added to the system.

    Idea as yours actually exist, some were even built.
    Russian article on it: http://www.popmech.ru/technologies/8235-podkinte-atoma-v-topku-atomnye-lokomotivy/#full
    English: http://barentsobserver.com/en/sections/society/russia-designs-nuclear-train

    But in active service there are quite a few models of train and carriages developed to provide electricity and stuff to workers in remote areas that are fairly near rail, or to workers that are repairing railroad etc, one that i have knowledge of is ТУ6СПА built by Камбарский машиностроительный завод. Here is the pic: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/TU6SPA_1.jpg/1280px-TU6SPA_1.jpg

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:42 am

    That last picture link you posted is interesting.... it is small enough to go on a truck... the main reason I suggested trains would be to extend the remoteness that these portable power supplies could be used in. Nuclear power means no regular refuelling or constant supply of fuel whether it be coal or gas or petrol or diesel... making them more self sufficient.

    Sending a nuclear power plant ship to an island would be useful as many inhabited places are coastal, but where power is needed inland then a few truck mounted power stations would be useful too and cheaper and simpler to drive the small power station to a remote location than to set up power lines and then maintain them.


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  Militarov on Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:31 am

    GarryB wrote:That last picture link you posted is interesting.... it is small enough to go on a truck... the main reason I suggested trains would be to extend the remoteness that these portable power supplies could be used in. Nuclear power means no regular refuelling or constant supply of fuel whether it be coal or gas or petrol or diesel... making them more self sufficient.

    Sending a nuclear power plant ship to an island would be useful as many inhabited places are coastal, but where power is needed inland then a few truck mounted power stations would be useful too and cheaper and simpler to drive the small power station to a remote location than to set up power lines and then maintain them.

    Something of a sort exists, actually there is a company dedicated to build such systems http://realacpower.com however they require casual fuels, but if you can bring there your truck with "power station" trucks with fuel can come too, this is mostly used by mining companies and expeditions of different types, but i remember well seeing old Russian Zil-157 with engine from Moskvitch 412 with 1500 cc in the back being used to provide electricity for command posts, communication equipment etc.

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/startup-designs-trucksize-nuclear-reactor And then well... there are ideas like these.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:09 pm

    russia  russia  russia

    Russia, Indonesia Sign Memorandum on Building High-Power, Floating NPPs

    http://sputniknews.com/business/20150917/1027132036.html#ixzz3lzsWuVCa


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    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:27 pm

    Kyiv facist thugs is killing themselves, again.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/business/rada-denounces-contract-with-russia-on-completing-khmelnytsky-nuclear-power-plant-398001.html

    The Verkhovna Rada has backed a bill terminating the agreement between the Ukrainian and Russian governments on cooperation in the construction of the third and fourth reactor units of the Khmelnitsky nuclear power plant.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:53 pm

    Kiriyenko: General portfolio of orders "Rosatom" exceeded 300 billion



    MOSCOW, Sep 18 — RIA Novosti. The total portfolio of orders of the state Corporation "Rosatom" in recent years has increased 5.5 times and is more than 300 billion dollars, this amount will grow, said General Director of "Rosatom" Sergey Kiriyenko on Friday during a meeting with Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

    http://ria.ru/atomtec/20150918/1260204703.html


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  Austin on Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:09 pm

    Rosatom's foreign portfolio reaches $300 billion, continued grow

    Published Sep 22, 2015
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    Russia’s State Nuclear Corporation ROSATOM presently has foreign orders worth US$300 billion for construction of 30 nuclear power units in 12 countries and discussions on construction of 10 more units are underway.

    Serge Kirsten, CEO of Rosatom apprised the Russian Prime Minister Dmitri Mendeleev during an official meeting with him in Moscow recently.

    Kirsten said that, “interest in nuclear power is growing globally at the moment. In the recent years, our order portfolio has increased by 5.5 times…We are carrying out negotiations with 5 more countries for (the) construction of nuclear power plants".

    Rosatom Chief informed that in the recent time the company has won all the open tender processes. “Due to these our foreign order portfolio has increased up to $300 billion and our main goal for the coming years is to make it grow further", added Kirsten.

    http://www.scandoil.com/moxie-bm2/news/rosatoms-foreign-portfolio-reaches-300-billion-con.shtml

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:11 am

    Rosatom has started industrial production of MOX fuel for fast breeder reactors

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Deals: News

    Post  Project Canada on Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:51 am

    Turkey's Erdogan warns Russia on nuclear project, natural gas: papers

    So under current circumstances it seems nuclear and other energy projects with turkey will most likely be delayed or even shelved. I hope the loss of Turkey won't be a significant setback for Russia. I we won't see Turkish stream being built anytime soon. Any chances current Bulgarian regime can be replaced with a pro Russian one so Russia can restart South stream?

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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:34 pm

    Project Canada wrote:Turkey's Erdogan warns Russia on nuclear project, natural gas: papers

    So under current circumstances it seems nuclear and other energy projects with turkey will most likely be delayed or even shelved. I hope the loss of Turkey won't be a significant setback for Russia. I we won't see Turkish stream being built anytime soon. Any chances current Bulgarian regime can be replaced with a pro Russian one so Russia can restart South stream?

    Erdogan is full of shit as usual. Turkey isnt Russias largest gas consumer, add in, he will be hard pressed to find the alternative even with Turkmenistan so close. As well, other nuclear tech they can obtain as Rosatom has plenty other customers.

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