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    Israel Air Force: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:21 pm

    Israel intends to withdraw from buying consignment of aircraft the F-35

    09/11/2009

    Manual DoD Israel has decided to postpone the purchase of supernovae fighters Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), better known as the F-35, because of the very high cost of the project.

    However, negotiations with the manufacturer of the aircraft, an American corporation Lockheed Martin on the installment purchase of 25 fighter-bombers of the fifth generation F-35 continues. Yesterday the delegation of Israel abode Concern manufacturer, who will try to persuade the MoD to buy F-35 game to the end of this year. In the case of signing the contract aircraft will be delivered to Israel by the end of 2014.

    The Pentagon has agreed to the demands of Israel

    As previously reported, Lockheed Martin Aircraft Corporation is putting pressure on the Israeli Ministry of Defense, seeking as soon as possible to make a deal to supply the party stealth strike fighter F-35. The cost of each aircraft stealth is 130 million dollars.

    Lockheed Martin seeks to enter into a contract with Israel before the end of this year, which will help give the project to develop an aircraft invisible status held, and to conclude additional contracts with other countries.

    Note that the Pentagon agreed to give Israel access to a computer onboard the aircraft and the ability to reprogram the onboard computer F-35.

    In addition, the Pentagon withdrew the claim to repair the aircraft and measures for its maintenance in the United States.


    The rights to this material is owned Nashe.co.il (Israel)

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:13 pm


    Israel likely dumps F-35 for Silent Eagle


    Israeli Air Force closely considering the acquisition of American fighters , after the first test flight in the F-15 Eagle Silent, held last weekend in the U.S.

    Israel's Defense Ministry has decided to more closely consider the possibility of acquiring the F-15 , because of expected delays in the development and delivery of F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

    The test flight lasted 80 minutes and granted the Israeli military experts. According to military sources , the aircraft demonstrated excellent work of all systems in the next few weeks will be another trip.

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    Derby AAM disadvantages..

    Post  ahmedfire on Mon May 16, 2011 9:08 am

    more data from ACIG..

    The EL/M-2032 radar adds a brand new capability to the Kfir, namely that of integrating radar-homing missiles, foremost the Derby, developed and produced by the Rafael armament Development Authority. Debry has an active radar homing missile with an estimated effective combat range of 20km against a closing target and 10km against a target moving away. Despite repeated claims to the contrary Derby is in no way comparable to the R-77, MICA or AMRAAM. The disadvantages of this missile are the lack of a data-link, the small body-diameter (which makes it impossible for a larger motor to be used), and its draggy aerodynamics, all of which make interceptions over longer ranges impossible. Because of the lack of a data link the missile either goes active on launch (LOBL) meaning break-away maneuvers can be facilitated immediately; or, it is launched, covers the first flight-phase guided by INS, and then goes active (LOAL). The later method is somewhat risky, as due to a lack of updates from the parent radar, the missile may lock-on to the wrong target when it goes active.

    http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/printer_12.shtml

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    Re: Israel Air Force: News

    Post  ahmedfire on Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:15 am

    Old Israel report says that israel spice bomb can defeat S-300 Rolling Eyes

    Watch: Israeli bomb that knows how to overcome the S-300

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:10 am

    So its main features are passive optic guidance, 100km standoff range, and the potential to deliver in large numbers to saturate the target.

    The obvious problems are that the remaining current production S-300 has a flight range two and a half times bigger than 100km, and that it has never relied on the target revealing its presence with its own radar as it has its own search radars to find targets including very small ones.

    And of course the use of Pantsir-S1 for close in defence of the S-300 battery should mean that any that evade S-300 will be dealt with before they hit their target.

    For stand off weapons there are two realistic options... lots of SAMs to deal with any swarm attack, or a few very long range SAMs to deal with the launch platforms before they can release their payload.

    Pantsir-S1 solves the first problem and S-300VM (Antei-2500) solves the other.


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    Re: Israel Air Force: News

    Post  ahmedfire on Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:21 pm

    GarryB wrote:So its main features are passive optic guidance, 100km standoff range, and the potential to deliver in large numbers to saturate the target.

    The obvious problems are that the remaining current production S-300 has a flight range two and a half times bigger than 100km, and that it has never relied on the target revealing its presence with its own radar as it has its own search radars to find targets including very small ones.

    And of course the use of Pantsir-S1 for close in defence of the S-300 battery should mean that any that evade S-300 will be dealt with before they hit their target.

    For stand off weapons there are two realistic options... lots of SAMs to deal with any swarm attack, or a few very long range SAMs to deal with the launch platforms before they can release their payload.

    Pantsir-S1 solves the first problem and S-300VM (Antei-2500) solves the other.

    And the video said the bomb will be launched from 60 km not 100 (to be effective i think) ,

    Indeed the price is 480000 $ for a bomb Exclamation ( this was the price for Greece) , what is Russian equivalent ?

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    Old Israel report says that israel spice bomb can defeat S-300

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:08 am

    The Russians have a variety of gliding kits for existing bomb types, but I suspect their real equivalent would be something like the Kh-38 with a range of guidance options and an 80km range.


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    Israeli AF evaluation of the MiG-29

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:13 am

    The trials were carried out in 1997, so a bit dated info but still pretty interesting

    The day Israel obtained MiG-29s and discovered they were a match for their F-15s, F-16s



    http://globalaviationreport.com/2014/06/23/the-day-israel-bagged-syrian-mig-29s-and-discovered-that-they-were-a-match-for-their-f-15s-f-16s/

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    Re: Israel Air Force: News

    Post  Stealthflanker on Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:19 am

    Cyberspec wrote:The trials were carried out in 1997, so a bit dated info but still pretty interesting

    The day Israel obtained MiG-29s and discovered they were a match for their F-15s, F-16s
    http://globalaviationreport.com/2014/06/23/the-day-israel-bagged-syrian-mig-29s-and-discovered-that-they-were-a-match-for-their-f-15s-f-16s/

    No surprise. MiG-29 was designed to face both F-16 and F-15 in mind. Though it's not having Su-27's long range.


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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:35 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:The trials were carried out in 1997, so a bit dated info but still pretty interesting

    The day Israel obtained MiG-29s and discovered they were a match for their F-15s, F-16s
    http://globalaviationreport.com/2014/06/23/the-day-israel-bagged-syrian-mig-29s-and-discovered-that-they-were-a-match-for-their-f-15s-f-16s/

    No surprise. MiG-29 was designed to face both F-16 and F-15 in mind. Though it's not having Su-27's long range.


    It's actually overall, a superior platform aerodynamically speaking

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    Post  TR1 on Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:02 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:The trials were carried out in 1997, so a bit dated info but still pretty interesting

    The day Israel obtained MiG-29s and discovered they were a match for their F-15s, F-16s
    http://globalaviationreport.com/2014/06/23/the-day-israel-bagged-syrian-mig-29s-and-discovered-that-they-were-a-match-for-their-f-15s-f-16s/

    No surprise. MiG-29 was designed to face both F-16 and F-15 in mind. Though it's not having Su-27's long range.


    It's actually overall, a superior platform aerodynamically speaking

    Superior to F-15 maybe, which is a simple (but still superbly performing for the time) box+ wing design.

    F-16 is on par with MiG-29 in terms of aerodynamic sophistication. They just have very different design goals.

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    Post  nemrod on Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:41 pm

    There are plenty of  western experiences-unfortunetly the contrary is rather rare-, and evaluations about Mig-21, Mig-23, Mig-25, Mig-29, and Su-7, Su-17, Su-19/24, Su-27. There are all unanimous about the fact that soviet/russian fighter-bombers are at worst comparables  to western counterparts, and in many aspects superiors.

    http://www.16va.be/mig-29_experience.htm
    http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/truth-about-mig-29-180952403/?no-ist

    Between a skill pilot's hands a Mig-29 is able to down any western fighter. It is noteworthy to say that US air fleet is aimed against third world isolated, poor, countries lacking spare parts. If indeed, the Mig-29 seems to fail in 1991, and 1999 there are true reasons behind these faillures. US Air Force triumphed not because their technology was superior-even if sometimes there were slightly- but chiefltly because they outnumbered their adversaries. In 1991, Iraqi air forces had at most between 150 to 250 modern aircrafts, US coalitions had at least 3.000. In 1999, serbian pilots, had only few hours training per years, Serbian Air Force lacked of all, no spare parts, most of Mig-29 radars and avionics were defectives. US deployed several hundreds of modern fighters. Against a comparable forces, most of US fighters will have-except eurofighter Typhoon, and Rafale- hard time against Mig and Sukhoi.
    For example nowadays, US won't dare to attack Syria-because Russia and China are behind-, they won't dare to attack Algeria, and even against Iran. Because, all these countries had plenty of very, very skills pilots, and US are well aware what would be the consequences.
    Mig-29 comparable to F-15/F-16/F-18/F-22, is a surprise ? Not at all for those who know a little bit about US Air Force's history.

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    Re: Israel Air Force: News

    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:27 am

    US to Deliver F-35 Fighter Jets to Israel in 2016

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150424/1021308776.html#ixzz3YDH3vRYe

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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:58 am

    George1 wrote:US to Deliver F-35 Fighter Jets to Israel in 2016

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150424/1021308776.html#ixzz3YDH3vRYe

    Good idea that will safe palestinian lifes when this hangar queen will shred through the israeli budget and stay more on the ground than in the air. I hope they replace every aircraft with this lifesaver.

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    Re: Israel Air Force: News

    Post  max steel on Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:37 pm

    Israeli manufacture their own drones , missiles , abm shield and Electronic warfare systems of top quality . But they dont make their own fighter planes ?

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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:05 pm

    max steel wrote:Israeli manufacture their own drones , missiles , abm shield and Electronic warfare systems of  top quality . But they dont make their own fighter planes ?

    Israelis MIC is highly dependend on US and other countries. They don't produce bythemselfs everything, major componants are coming from US and EU, even parts from russia. Their quality is also hyped especially in Air defense. They do have own production but it isn't as independed at some might think, it is actually very dependend on US MIC and products.

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    Re: Israel Air Force: News

    Post  max steel on Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:40 pm

    Barak missiles are their own prodtn

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    Post  Militarov on Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:15 pm

    "An additional squadron of advanced Boeing F-15s has been revealed as one of the elements of a so-called "compensation package" requested by Israel in exchange for the US government backing a lifting of sanctions against Iran. Israeli sources confirm that details of the request were agreed during a recent meeting between the defence ministers of the USA and Israel in Washington DC. This included the Israeli air force expressing its operational need for another squadron of F-15s, to ensure that the type can remain the "backbone" of its capabilities.

    While details of the F-15 request have not been released, the sources say that it involves the latest Silent Eagle-standard aircraft, which would also be equipped with Israeli-developed systems. Enhancements introduced with the advanced strike asset include the ability to carry an increased number of air-launched weapons and the addition of conformal fuel tanks for extended-range performance. Flightglobal's Fleets Analyzer database records the Israeli air force as operating 25 F-15Is – the youngest of which are 16 years old – and a combined 58 older F-15A/Cs.



    Israel's "compensation package" has taken shape since an international agreement was reached in Vienna on 14 July, which will remove sanctions in exchange for Iran halting its nuclear activities. The Israeli government opposes the agreement, claiming that it will not stop Tehran from achieving its nuclear weapons ambitions. Other systems being requested by Israel in order to maintain its operational edge include Bell Boeing V-22 tiltrotors, Boeing KC-46A tankers, additional Lockheed Martin F-35s and bunker-busting bombs that have until now not been exported by the USA."


    So, F15SE might even see sales after all.

    Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/israel-requests-extra-squadron-of-f-15s-418487/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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    Post  max steel on Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:52 am

    Israel Is Already Selling Kamikaze Micro-Drones That Will Change Modern Warfare


    The Hero-30 weighs less than 7 pounds, but can carry a one-pound warhead.


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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:02 am

    max steel wrote:Israel Is Already Selling Kamikaze Micro-Drones That Will Change Modern Warfare


    The Hero-30 weighs less than 7 pounds, but can carry a one-pound warhead.


    Add more winglets to it so it can look like Israeli policy and name it the Swastika.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:26 am

    The Hero-30 weighs less than 7 pounds, but can carry a one-pound warhead.

    So wow... they have invented a small guided weapon with a small HE payload... like an ATGM?

    That is amazing.

    Perhaps they could fit their helicopters with wing pylons and tube launchers and like carry 16 of them at a time... that would be new and amazing and change warfare as we know it... or not.


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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:02 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The Hero-30 weighs less than 7 pounds, but can carry a one-pound warhead.

    So wow... they have invented a small guided weapon with a small HE payload... like an ATGM?

    That is amazing.

    Perhaps they could fit their helicopters with wing pylons and tube launchers and like carry 16 of them at a time... that would be new and amazing and change warfare as we know it... or not.

    Look at that design it can't be used on any aircraft the wings are not foldable.

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    Post  Militarov on Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:19 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    The Hero-30 weighs less than 7 pounds, but can carry a one-pound warhead.

    So wow... they have invented a small guided weapon with a small HE payload... like an ATGM?

    That is amazing.

    Perhaps they could fit their helicopters with wing pylons and tube launchers and like carry 16 of them at a time... that would be new and amazing and change warfare as we know it... or not.

    Look at that design it can't be used on any aircraft the wings are not foldable.

    They are not really "foldable" they seem to be "stacked" before launch on sides by rotating over those screws.

    "All short-range systems - the Hero 30, 70, and 120 - are canister-launched, powered by electric motors, and use cruciform wings that unfold on launch. The same avionics package will be used for all three variants." - http://www.janes.com/article/53645/uvision-to-begin-hero-120-trials




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    Re: Israel Air Force: News

    Post  max steel on Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:02 pm

    Israeli F-16I pilots use Greece’s S-300PMU-1 SAMs to prepare for potential Iran air strikes


    Nice Allies Rolling Eyes





    we still don't know which version will go to Iran so if they practice on the S-300PMU-1 and iran gets the S-300VM it will be like practicing on a home cat and then going against a jungle cat

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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:17 pm

    I take it you read my comments on keypub regarding people claims of US and all that practicing against S-300 systems in US to prepare against S-400 and how I said it was futile due to differences in each system?

    Funny how people think.

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