If they upgraded them with new S-300 PM2 and UKSK angled launchers, they would be wonderful ships.
I would say an upgrade to their TOR self defence systems and an upgrade to their gatling guns and the radars that direct them and perhaps replace the old guns with new guns for testing... perhaps the new 152mm guns they are developing.
Their Vulcan missiles are already land attack capable... should have used some up on Orc targets really, but the advantage of these ships are their size and endurance... their problem is that it is probably not cost effective to give them serious upgrades.
Upgrade their EW defence equipment and their self defence systems, but it is better to save money for serial production of which ever Frigate design they like the best and then start on Destroyers.
Upgrading the Udaloys has given them some more useful ships but I am not sure the few Slavas they have would be worth upgrading fully.
The Kirovs make sense because they are already designed to launch missiles vertically... it was the first ship with vertical launch missile systems to enter service in fact.
Now they are totally outdate as shown in Ukraine.
Ahh bullshit. Russia Air Defence systems have proved to be very effective and minor upgrades to a ship that had 1970s level air defences should have been made, but there is no evidence at all the Orcs hit the Moskva with anti ship missiles... if they did what else have they sunk with anti ship missiles?
If it sank the Moskva why didn't they keep using them and waste time and money with drones for the current attack on the Black Sea fleet?
Unless they are full of shit.
Problem is that moskva had broken CIWS and radars. Their tech level wasn't the problem
If its defence systems were not working it would not have been sent to do the job it as doing... that is just ridiculous.
It is Russia's mistake that such a ship was used for tasks for which it was not designed, because it is a cruiser for the open seas..
What do you mean mistake?
We don't even know what actually happened... any ship can hit a mine, and a ship using its radars to scan for enemy might have launched a rather old S-300F that chose this time to fail and fall back onto the deck and start a fire which spread and did enough damage to make the ship unsafe and it sank.
More likely than the Orcs managed to hit a large ship with two anti ship missiles and then suddenly stopped using those successful missiles despite getting plenty from the US (Harpoon) as well.
They have a track record for lying, and the facts don't match up with what they are saying now... it is a big ship but direct hits from two anti ship missiles with no blast damage visible and only fire damage suggests they are liars.
P1000 as well as p700 and p500 are good but I would bet on aster family.
They use the jammers and decoys like the Iskander does... an advantage of it being so big of course... how does Aster cope with jamming?
They didn't develop Oniks and Zirkon because they wanted more beautiful missiles.
Onyx introduced the more efficient ramjet propulsion, while Zircon has scramjet technology that makes it much more powerful, but even the Kh-32 would be a serious threat in the Black Sea to any ship... what AD system engages targets flying at 40km altitude?
Also good luck finding a target 1000km away with a lonely Slava.
It is looking for carrier groups... large collections of enormous bits of metal most satellites can see and they don't move fast enough for tracking to be a real problem... the presence of an AWACS plane scanning and communicating in the middle of the ocean gives a good indication and friendly submarines can pass on target data too.
To use them at those ranges you need aircraft in the air.
Or a friendly fishing boat or nearby sub or satellite flashing over every 90 minutes.
And if the story about Ukrainian anti ship missiles destroying the Moskva is real then this ship didn't do what it was suppise to do, defend against slow low flying missiles and here it was war time. And US strike groups with dozens of f-18 can launch way more missiles at once than Ukrops.
But if they sank the Moskva with anti ship missiles why didn't they build on their success by sinking the rest?
Or anything else... or even fire a few anti ship missiles at the bridge they were so desperate to destroy.
Sounds like BS to me.
Moskva is at the bottom of the sea. US destroyers were attacked by Houti missiles, same class as ukro missiles, and they survived.
Which also suggests the Moskva was not hit by anti ship missiles because those Houthi missiles just pissed all over western air defence systems in Saudi Arabia including Patriot and 35mm guns and various other bits of western rubbish.
I wouldn't be surprised if they loose at least one Grigorovitch till the end of the war.
I am sure you would celebrate the nazis murdering some Russian boys... peddling Orc propaganda does not do you any credit...
Mig-31 and a50 can help around Russian mainland but certainly not far away. If the Slava goes to help an african or south american country it will be alone. There you have almost no chance to attack a target 1000km away.
You do understand that the Russian navy keeps tabs on where the US carrier groups are at all times via a multitude of sources including satellites but not limited to them.
IDK how about you, but I will switch my GPS nav for La Frogge worldwide navigation system, because I don't want to miss when Le Camembert space station will fly above my head, on its way to Marschall Foch Moon station.
You are taking the piss, but it would be interesting to see a world where the EU had some balls and just told the US to **** off... the Europeans and the Russians could have created amazing things... but now Russia will just have to do those amazing things with China and India and South Africa and Brazil and the rest of the world... and the EU can pay more for energy.
The west is far too colonial bound to ever want a free, fair, and prosperous world... wont say democratic because that is a dirty word now, and who am I to tell China what government they can or cannot have...
Ironic that the west has now become a barrier to peace and real progress.
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