Project 11711: "Ivan Gren" class

Not really but ...ugh.

Awww... come on... all this whining about not being able to make ships any more, or them all taking for ever to make...

The first ship was laid down in 2004, hit the water in 2012 and didn't enter Russian Navy service till 2018.... lots of problems and changes in design...

This second boat was laid down in 2015, hit the water this year in 2018 and will enter service if it passes its tests next year in 2019...

That is an enormous improvement even if you are being a about it...

Suggests at least some progress... especially since it is a ship type that is not actually urgently needed.

I could once again inform everyone that the building of the first ship was stopped because of Mistral, but I won´t wast my time.

Of course not... everyone even remotely related to management or development or production must be taken out and beheaded immediately...

I rather suspect the basic premise of scaling up a river boat was with the intent of modularity... if it had worked they could have standardised the design of ocean going landing vessels and river boats... but who could say it wont work until you actually try...

But then there is no try... only do or do not... eh Master Yoda...

It seems that the the navy finally started paying attention to the calls from the USC to be economical and make big series. Hopefuly all go to the Black sea fleet ports in Sevastopol and Odes... ehm Novorossiysk.

Russia to build two more large amphibious assault ships

Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation will build two or three more Ivan Gren-class large amphibious assault ships for the Russian Navy

MOSCOW, December 3. /TASS/. Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) will build two or three more Ivan Gren-class large amphibious assault ships for the Russian Navy, Corporation CEO Alexei Rakhmanov said on Monday.

"A decision has been made to finalize the Ivan Gren project. In particular, there will be changes in the hull. There are plans to build at least two or more ships under the improved project," the chief executive said.

"There is no contract yet," he added.

As Rakhmanov said, the second ship of the first series, the Pyotr Morgunov, will be built actually in the same way as the lead ship Ivan Gren.

The CEO of the Yantar Shipyard (where the ships of this class are under construction), Eduard Yefimov, earlier told TASS that the Ivan Gren series won’t be continued and there are plans to develop a new project of a large displacement ship.

The Project 11711 large amphibious assault lead ship Ivan Gren was laid down at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad in December 2004 and put afloat in May 2012. It was accepted for service in the Russian Navy on June 20, 2018.

The second ship of this Project, the Pyotr Morgunov, being built at the Yantar Shipyard on the Baltic coast, is due to enter trials no later than March 2019. In June next year, the warship is expected to start shipbuilders’ sea trials.

Project 11711 warships are designed to land marines on a coastal area seized by the enemy and transport military hardware and equipment. The warship can carry 13 main battle tanks or 36 armored personnel carriers (infantry fighting vehicles), and also up to 300 marines. The amphibious assault ship can also transport a reinforced marine infantry company with organic military hardware and land it with the use of pontoons.


More:
http://tass.com/defense/1034053

dino00 wrote:USC will build for the Navy another two or three ships of the class "Ivan Gren"

This was announced to journalists by USC President Alexei Rakhmanov.
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Nice

If they are making alterations to design they should install larger helideck and extra hangars

PapaDragon wrote:

dino00 wrote:USC will build for the Navy another two or three ships of the class "Ivan Gren"

This was announced to journalists by USC President Alexei Rakhmanov.
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Nice

If they are making alterations to design they should install larger helideck and extra hangars

I'd imagine that's what they will do, as well as increasing helicopter capacity.

What with the Mistrals now being gone and no definite successor project even approved as yet.

These landing ships will have to pull their own weight in terms of chopper support.

A gun was planned first but later deleted by the Navy.

I don´t think that they will add more helicopters. The Gren class is some sort of successor for the Ropucha, which had no helicopter at all.

PapaDragon wrote:If they are making alterations to design they should install larger helideck and extra hangars

+ change in hull for better stability and buoyancy. I think that IG trials were prolonged because it had too much weight on one of the sides.

flamming_python wrote:What with the Mistrals now being gone and no definite successor project even approved as yet.

RIA wrote just today that there's new large amfibious ship in development. See the other topic. I hope that doesn't mean that the first Priboy won't be laid down in 2020 as planned

The construction of 2 or 3 ships more of the Project 11711 is necessary for Russia. Totally logical, like you can see here:

https://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p50-state-armament-program-2018-2027#216049

eehnie wrote:...

2 - Project 775 >500 tons Amphibious Ship <--------------------> 2 - Likely new order >500 tons Amphibious Ship

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New orders of ships under the State Armament Program 2018-2027? Taking into account the previous analysis, is likely to see new orders of:
Aircraft Carrier Warship (Project 23000, likely as commented)
>500 tons Amphibious ships (Project 11711 or the project of the next generation)
And maybe more

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flamming_python wrote:....
These landing ships will have to pull their own weight in terms of chopper support.

If problems with engines and overall construction speed are sorted out then they should keep bottom part as-is and rearrange top section into something resembling Rotterdam-class just don't overdo it, keep it simple

I don't think they should bother with weaponry other than CIWS, main gun will hardly make a difference and it's much easier to just have small ship(s) like Buyan tagging along if they really need artillery

Actually, if they need artillery they could probably put Coalition on the front deck... 152mm calibre, 70km range with precision shells, rather good rate of fire too...

And it could embark and operate with the landing force too.

Problem is to put it there. No hatch or crane on the foredeck.

Gren has a large crane, but not on the foredeck.

The range the gun would be firing from (ie off the coast to protect the ship) I rather suspect most shots would be fired at fairly steep angles, so firing from amidships should be fine... in fact firing from a SERNA landing craft would probably be OK too.

Or a modular installation. Would reduce the amount of ammunition but they could put it everywhere.

Bonus:

IG was originally going to have 76mm gun & 2* grad launchers.

hoom wrote:IG was originally going to have 76mm gun & 2* grad launchers.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/11711-image7.jpg

Doesn't need either

It needs CIWS, larger helideck and bigger hangar

To be honest a 76.2mm gun would not be that useful... corvettes operating with the vessel with 100mm guns would be vastly more useful in that regard.

Perhaps they could use a dedicated NGS boat with rocket artillery and coalition gun mounts to provide dedicated fire support.

I agree though that more helos, more space for helos, and CIWS are rather more important... especially as those helos could deliver support fire too.

Perhaps what they should do is design a Ka-226T that can operate unmanned and as a centrally mounted weapons pod with guns and rockets and bombs.

Without the crew position most of the weight of the aircraft could be divided between fuel and weapons... ground units could have it on call...

It could carry two 500kg bombs that are set to explode as a self destruct system if it is shot down and lands in enemy territory... when enemy weapons are not so effective it could also use them as bombs if needed too.

It has CIWS. You mean missiles. Some Pantsir on the foredeck.

The parking area in the middle could be used for more helis. Or drones.