Project 11711: "Ivan Gren" class

GarryB wrote:

This redesigning is the reason why Russians have only 15 % of their fleet at the sea at any time, while easy-to-maintain standarized US navy has 50 %.

Of course, the Russians have 85% of their fleet in maintainence... nothing to do with the US having a global empire to maintain, while the Russian Navy operating mostly coastal except for a few anti piracy operations and a few ships in the med chasing Brit subs around the place...

And the 32 Krivaks... how long did they actually have 32 in service at one time... they started entering service in the early 1970s, but they also started decommissioning them in the 1990s... are there any even in service now?  Maybe a handful... if that.

Comparing the capabilities of the old Krivaks with a modern version you could replace 32 with 16 easily... and enjoy an enormous increase in performance too.

As the Krivak emerged, the west thought it was "the best multi-purpose destroyer of the world". Not my words.

Putting them out of service so fast was the idea of Jelzin. Complain to... No He´s gone for good.

Or they could have re-purposed more than 20 of them.

Without Jelzin things would have gone better. No need to get rid of good ASW ships. Could have easily been modernised.

George1 wrote:Μore photos

What is that ship to the left of Peter Marg.

George1 wrote:

Russia wraps up state trials of large amphibious assault ship

The state trials of the advanced amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren started in November 2017



KALININGRAD, June 4. /TASS/. The Project 11711 large amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren built at the Yantar Shipyard on the Baltic coast for the Russian Navy has completed state trials and will be handed over to the customer soon, the Shipyard’s spokesman told TASS on Monday.

"The acceptance certificate of the state trials of the large amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren was signed on June 2. Upon the completion of the review and the paint finish, it will be ready for its transfer," the spokesman said, adding that the exact date of the warship’s handover was not mentioned but this would take place soon.

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The state trials of the advanced amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren started in November 2017 but were suspended by the customer in late December to deal with technical problems that had emerged. The warship’s trials restarted on April 3, 2018 after the technical problems had been solved.

The Project 11711 large amphibious assault lead ship Ivan Gren was developed by the Nevskoye Design Bureau in St. Petersburg in northwest Russia. It was laid down by the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad in west Russia in December 2004 and launched in May 2012. Its sea trials began in June 2016.

On November 30, 2017, the large amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren started undergoing state trials in the Baltic Sea.

The Yantar Shipyard is building another Project 11711 warship, the Pyotr Morgunov, which is expected to be delivered to the Russian Navy in late 2018.

The Ivan Gren can carry 13 main battle tanks, 36 armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles, or up to 300 marines. The amphibious assault ship can also transport a reinforced marine infantry company with organic military hardware and land it with the use of pontoons.

The amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren is armed with 30mm six-barrel artillery systems and two Kamov Ka-29 transport/attack helicopters in its deck hangars.
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eehnie wrote:To see now the haters of this and other projects silent is very enlightening about the true nature of their arguments.

Many only want to critizize, but are absent when the good news come in the refered to the ships and Projects that really are important for the Russian Navy.

eehnie wrote:

To see now the haters of this and other projects silent is very enlightening about the true nature of their arguments.

Many only want to critizize, but are absent when the good news come in the refered to the ships and Projects that really are important for the Russian Navy.

Militarov wrote:

eehnie wrote:

To see now the haters of this and other projects silent is very enlightening about the true nature of their arguments.

Many only want to critizize, but are absent when the good news come in the refered to the ships and Projects that really are important for the Russian Navy.

Good news?

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Yes after what 14 years?.

Good for them? should I give credit for what was a disaster, you know what your right.

Congrats Russia after a decade you finally manage to get a mere landing ship done, good for you.

Big_Gazza wrote:The real deal will be how quickly they can finish off the Petr Morgunov.  With design issues solved, funds released, and the lead ship lessons learned, the PM should be done in a few years.  

FWIW, the IG was the sad victim of changing requirements, suspended program, lack of interest (ie cash) and the dilapidated state of post-meltdown Russian shipyards and personnel expertise.  These factors are all being fixed, and the IG & PM will be useful tank landers when done.  Anything that adds to the antique Alligators & Ropuchas can't be a bad thing if the Ruskies ever find they need to intervene in a minor scuffle.

Of course, the perennial members of the IG Hate Club will need to take this last chance at waving their flags...  

Big_Gazza wrote:Of course, the perennial members of the IG Hate Club will need to take this last chance at waving their flags...  

Hole wrote:It was not build in 14 years. In 2008 they stoped every work on it because ot the pending Mistral deal. Without Shoigu it would have been scrapped. Last 2 to 3 years was testing.

The real deal will be how quickly they can finish off the Petr Morgunov. With design issues solved, funds released, and the lead ship lessons learned, the PM should be done in a few years.

hoom wrote:

The real deal will be how quickly they can finish off the Petr Morgunov. With design issues solved, funds released, and the lead ship lessons learned, the PM should be done in a few years.

This.
The problems & delays with IG have been really appalling but its apparently sorted now so PM should hopefully follow fairly quickly.