Project 11711: "Ivan Gren" class

PapaDragon wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Yes after what 14 years?.

Good for them? should I give credit for what was a disaster, you know what your right.

Congrats Russia after a decade you finally manage to get a mere landing ship done, good for you.  

14 years for 6600 to ship.

So that would be roughly 200 years for 100k Shtorm-class​ supercarrier that this clown is so fond of?

I would say that numbers definitely add up in this situation, this gets my certificate of approval (timetable estimate, not construction speed)

Isos wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Yes after what 14 years?.

Good for them? should I give credit for what was a disaster, you know what your right.

Congrats Russia after a decade you finally manage to get a mere landing ship done, good for you.  

14 years for 6600 to ship.

So that would be roughly 200 years for 100k Shtorm-class​ supercarrier that this clown is so fond of?

I would say that numbers definitely add up in this situation, this gets my certificate of approval (timetable estimate, not construction speed)

The second one took 3 years. Those 14 years to be build is not proving anything. If they keep with this class they can achieve 2 years per ship.

A mistral type class can't replace ropuchas type class ships. They still need something like Ivan gren. They should keep on with it for another 4 or 6.

Just look at the Syrian express, their ships looks like they will brok in the middle of the sea ...

marat wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:The real deal will be how quickly they can finish off the Petr Morgunov.  With design issues solved, funds released, and the lead ship lessons learned, the PM should be done in a few years.  

FWIW, the IG was the sad victim of changing requirements, suspended program, lack of interest (ie cash) and the dilapidated state of post-meltdown Russian shipyards and personnel expertise.  These factors are all being fixed, and the IG & PM will be useful tank landers when done.  Anything that adds to the antique Alligators & Ropuchas can't be a bad thing if the Ruskies ever find they need to intervene in a minor scuffle.

Of course, the perennial members of the IG Hate Club will need to take this last chance at waving their flags...  

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There are no IG haters club, but rational persons who find that it is shame, at least to say, that this ship was build for 14 years. And persons who find 14 years is totally ok for landing ship.

KiloGolf wrote:What's wrong with leasing more Ro-ros? After all Syrian express is a logistics mission, nothing combat-worthy so no need for warships to run these supply convoys.

What's wrong with leasing more Ro-ros? After all Syrian express is a logistics mission, nothing combat-worthy so no need for warships to run these supply convoys.

Isos wrote:

What's wrong with leasing more Ro-ros? After all Syrian express is a logistics mission, nothing combat-worthy so no need for warships to run these supply convoys.

Ro-ros are civilian ships. Landing ships can do logistic job and be used for combat. There are only advantages to buy more ivan gren. They can do logistic, they can replace those old ships and you don't need to buy civilian ship that are good only for syrian express. Russian navy also use its landing ships for logistic in syria.

As an admiral I would prefere to buy ivan gren for the next 20 years than civilian ships for only syrian express.

eehnie wrote:



We know perfectly this people, they hate every Russian Project above 5000 tons, above the size of a Frigate, except if they are almost unarmed and are useless. The Project 11711 is key in the replacement of the fleet supplying Syria, and this is the reason to put it in the hate list.

Like them you seems to be always in the wrong side.

This ship will be commissioned in a few weeks, maybe days, and will reinforce the amphibious fleet of the Russian Navy.

KiloGolf wrote:What's wrong with leasing more Ro-ros? After all Syrian express is a logistics mission, nothing combat-worthy so no need for warships to run these supply convoys.

External ships... external crews too?

Under your awesome proposal is allowed Russia to direct the casting of US military personel and CIA agents to be in the external crews of these Ro-ros?

marat wrote:

Under your awesome proposal is allowed Russia to direct the casting of US military personel and CIA agents to be in the external crews of these Ro-ros?

Russia do build 5000+tonns armed ships at this moment??? Enlight us please?

Isos wrote:

What's wrong with leasing more Ro-ros? After all Syrian express is a logistics mission, nothing combat-worthy so no need for warships to run these supply convoys.

Ro-ros are civilian ships. Landing ships can do logistic job and be used for combat. There are only advantages to buy more ivan gren. They can do logistic, they can replace those old ships and you don't need to buy civilian ship that are good only for syrian express. Russian navy also use its landing ships for logistic in syria.

As an admiral I would prefere to buy ivan gren for the next 20 years than civilian ships for only syrian express.

Big_Gazza wrote:Ro-Ros are fine, IF you are simply transporting equipment and have a nice friendly port facility to receive your cargo, but the IG is an amphibious assault ship, designed to land on defended beaches as part of a taskforce, either landing vehicles/troops directly by beaching and using bow ramp, or via her onboard fast landing craft thru the stern loading bay. She also carries a Ka-27/32 helo, and has CIWS. In essence, they are smaller replacements for the Soviet-era Ivan Rogovs.

All in all, the IGs will prove to be a useful addition to the (aging) Russian amphibious assault capability.  She ain't no USN assault carrier, but that was never the intention.

Now can we pls desist with the endless childish BS?  Its becoming rather tedious....

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:Ro-Ros are fine, IF you are simply transporting equipment and have a nice friendly port facility to receive your cargo, but the IG is an amphibious assault ship, designed to land on defended beaches as part of a taskforce, either landing vehicles/troops directly by beaching and using bow ramp, or via her onboard fast landing craft thru the stern loading bay. She also carries a Ka-27/32 helo, and has CIWS. In essence, they are smaller replacements for the Soviet-era Ivan Rogovs.

All in all, the IGs will prove to be a useful addition to the (aging) Russian amphibious assault capability.  She ain't no USN assault carrier, but that was never the intention.

Now can we pls desist with the endless childish BS?  Its becoming rather tedious....

A single duet is not enough to stay safe on "defended" beaches. The designers are retards for not putting at least a Gibka launcher.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:
A single duet is not enough to stay safe on "defended" beaches. The designers are retards for not putting at least a Gibka launcher.

walle83 wrote:Its very puzzeling how it can take Russia 14 years to get a landing ship ready for service.

If u compare this for exampel to the Chines Type-72A landing ship. A class very simular in capabilities and dimensions. Since 2003 a total of 15 ships has enterd service.

marat wrote:

walle83 wrote:Its very puzzeling how it can take Russia 14 years to get a landing ship ready for service.

If u compare this for exampel to the Chines Type-72A landing ship. A class very simular in capabilities and dimensions. Since 2003 a total of 15 ships has enterd service.

Why do you hate Russia???? Hater....


PS it is not welcomed on this forum to put any critic on building rates of Russian navy, if you do so that mean, not that you are sane person who is aware how long usually take to build the ship, but that you are hater that you hate Russia.

marat wrote:

walle83 wrote:Its very puzzeling how it can take Russia 14 years to get a landing ship ready for service.

If u compare this for exampel to the Chines Type-72A landing ship. A class very simular in capabilities and dimensions. Since 2003 a total of 15 ships has enterd service.

Why do you hate Russia???? Hater....


PS it is not welcomed on this forum to put any critic on building rates of Russian navy, if you do so that mean, not that you are sane person who is aware how long usually take to build the ship, but that you are hater that you hate Russia.

Big_Gazza wrote:

walle83 wrote:Its very puzzeling how it can take Russia 14 years to get a landing ship ready for service.

Its called circumstances and changing priorities...  read up about it and cut the BS...

That goes for you as well marat...  people like you just can't help picking at scabs...

Russian Navy accepts cutting-edge amphibious assault ship for service

The Ivan Gren is the first amphibious assault ship designed and built in Russia’s modern history

KALININGRAD, June 20. /TASS/. The large amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren has been accepted for service in the Russian Navy in an official ceremony of hoisting the St. Andrew’s flag aboard the warship, TASS reports from the scene.

The Ivan Gren is the first amphibious assault ship designed and built in Russia’s modern history. The Ivan Gren is the Project 11711 lead ship designed by the Nevskoye Design Bureau. The work on the warship lasted over 20 years due to numerous readjustments to meet the Russian Navy’s requirements.

After an order of the Russian Navy’s commander-in-chief was read out on assigning the Ivan Gren to the 121st brigade of the Kola Flotilla warships, Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief Vice-Admiral Viktor Bursuk handed over the St. Andrew’s flag to the ship’s commander. The warship’s crew vowed never to haul down the flag before the enemy, after which it was hoisted aboard the combat vessel.

The Project 11711 large amphibious assault lead ship Ivan Gren was developed by the Nevskoye Design Bureau in St. Petersburg in northwest Russia. It was laid down by the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad in west Russia in December 2004 and launched in May 2012. Its sea trials began in June 2016.

On November 30, 2017, the large amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren started undergoing state trials in the Baltic Sea. The Ivan Gren is expected to join Russia’s Northern Fleet.

The Yantar Shipyard is building another Project 11711 warship, the Pyotr Morgunov, which is expected to be delivered to the Russian Navy in late 2018.

The Ivan Gren can carry 13 main battle tanks or 36 armored personnel carriers (infantry fighting vehicles) and up to 300 marines. The amphibious assault ship can also transport a reinforced marine infantry company with organic military hardware and land it with the use of pontoons.

The amphibious assault ship Ivan Gren is armed with 30mm six-barrel artillery systems and two Kamov Ka-29 transport/attack helicopters in its deck hangars.


More:
http://tass.com/defense/1010313

KiloGolf wrote:

LMFS wrote:So, finally, it is official:

Russian Navy accepts cutting-edge amphibious assault ship for service

eehnie wrote:One step forward for Russia. Russia gets the things done.