Aww, so we did not get better in welding for 70 years? If T-34 is going to be our metalurgical and welding etalon for 21st century we are not doing very well aint we.
Yeah... the thing is that the lesson from WWII was that the troops at the front line with thousands of T-34s didn't care that the wields were not pretty to their enemies... what they cared about was that there were thousands of T-34s to support them.
Obviously the Germans who lost that war and were clearly beated by the weather and lend lease and hitlers poor choices can tell us how wonderful the wields were on the Panthers and Tigers... yet both those German vehicles had that same early period of being unreliable pieces of junk until they got production just right and they improved to good enough... though there were never enough of them to actually matter.
Actually Sevmash officials said they have severe shortage of skilled welders just a year ago. Good friend of mine worked in Sevmash as underwater welder till he moved to China, and he said they had constantly open welder employment program and even offered free 3 month entry course. What some guys did is get course done and move to Finland for 5 times higher sallary...
Such abuse of what is basically a schollarship is common everywhere... Sevmash should have made them sign a contract to promise to work for 10 years for the training.
Amusing that what you are saying is that Russia can train wielders to a level where they are valued in Finland and China but are no good at wielding... are you contradicting yourself again... or are you suggesting the bad wields above are by self taught wielders...
I am not sure whats up with you people defending those welds, as there is nothing to be defended there, its badly done job, nothing further to discuss really.
I am not defending those wields... I am saying that you and KG remind me of Vann when a fucking plane crashes... all of a sudden the sky is falling, there is no quality control in Russia and they can't make planes to save themselves and it is all Putins fault.
Sure... you are just stopping at no one in Russia can wield as good as you could when you started to learn, but that does not make it any easier to stomach.
Stop turning this forum in "Russia *****" shithole you already lost people because of that, dissing any kind of criticism is starting to remind me of the Mess and Armored Warfare forums where you cant say a thing aganist anything Murican.
Between the two of you (you and KG) you have posted some images of some bad wields on a Russian vehicle and some perfect machine wields from a US company and now you are blaming me for Russia perfect America crap rants...
Perhaps if you said the person who did the wields was not so professional and left it at that instead of claiming no one in Arzamas could wield anymore it might have been over before it started.
Look at KVS's reply to your first post of photos... wow... just like you said... he bit your head off and then said every Russian wielder is a saint and every American wielder is useless... oops... no he didn't... he just said along the lines of... they are probably good enough for that class of vehicle.
Then you posted battle damaged vehicle pictures of the same vehicle type and you and KG had a circle jerk about how all wielders in Russia must be crap etc etc.