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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:33 pm

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    Some "well" made welds on BTR-82A. Arzamas machine-building factory is in deep shit if all their welders work like this.

    Yeah, seems like Ukrappy quality. Then again weld quality is more important in heavy armor (especially turret welds), and the BTR-80/82's were never designed to survive serious anti-armor munitions.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:54 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:






    Some "well" made welds on BTR-82A. Arzamas machine-building factory is in deep shit if all their welders work like this.

    Yeah, seems like Ukrappy quality. Then again weld quality is more important in heavy armor (especially turret welds), and the BTR-80/82's were never designed to survive serious anti-armor munitions.

    Thing is.. this is baaad welding. Horrible welding actually.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:39 pm








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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:40 pm



    Doesnt seem to be combat damage to me... so i got no clue what happened here.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:09 am

    New variant BTR-82B for the Russian National Guard

    A BTR-82A except the tower.



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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  Militarov on Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:03 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:That's just horrible work. Reminds me of my first TIG/MIG welds as freshman lol1

    Cant say i am good welder, i weld something simple now and then in "household" as they say. But i weld better than this, actually alot better than this.

    I still can't, for my life, weld aluminium. pwnd

    To be really good requires MIG and years of practice.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:48 am

    i cant understand all this conflict in discussion. And all started from me by posting a BTR-80 variant for National Guard
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:59 am

    Deliveries to the SMF of combat counter-sabotage machines "Typhoon-M" and their trainers

    According to the January 9, 2017 Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation Ministry of Defence, has completed the development and testing of anti-sabotage combat vehicles (BPMD) "Typhoon-M", designed for the protection and defense missile systems Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN).

    Currently BPDM "Typhoon-M" enter the compound, rearming on mobile ground missile systems (PGRK) "yars". In 2016 the Strategic Missile Forces received 14 such machines, for 2017 planned delivery of 12 more BPDM.



    Fighting anti-sabotage machine (BPDM) "Typhoon-M" designed for the benefit of the SMF-is based on BTR-82. It is designed for reconnaissance in position areas in the radar, optical and infrared wavelengths as well as the fight against sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the enemy.

    BPDM uniqueness lies in its complex equipping intelligence tools, including unmanned aircraft that can detect the enemy at a distance of 5 km.

    Along counter-sabotage machines in the SMF enters a unique simulator for training of military guard units and intelligence to find subversive groups in the areas of invisibility opt-electronic and radio-electronic means.

    Due to the multi-functionality of simulator it allows to train all crew BPDM - by the driver to hand remote-controlled platform.

    The newest models fitness complex tactical situation in the area of ​​active actions of subversive groups, all fixed and movable objects, including motor vehicles and personnel of the enemy. System simulation tactical situation allows you to control the appearance of the effects of explosions, gunfire and tracer bullets.

    The simulator makes it possible to control the actions of the trainees in real-time, capturing each of the calculation error numbers automatically. Television monitoring system allows the head of studies to observe the actions of all members of the crew.

    In the educational building, simulating combat starting position PGRK "yars" "soldiers learn to establish intelligence-signaling devices designed to detect spies in all weather conditions, regardless of the time of day.

    In 2016 the Strategic Missile Forces was delivered 10 simulators BPDM "Typhoon-M", another 20 such complexes will go up to 2020.

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    Fighting anti-sabotage machine (BPDM) 15TS56M "Typhoon-M" was designed in 2007-2012 for the benefit of the SMF-based on BTR-82. BPDM" Typhoon-M "is intended for the protection of combat missile complexes RVSN, reconnaissance in position areas in the Strategic missile Forces radar, optical and infrared wavelengths, and anti-sabotage and reconnaissance units of the enemy. The complex reconnaissance BPDM "Typhoon-M" consists of small UAVs "Aileron-3CB." The machine is a further development of BPDM 15TS56 "Typhoon", created in the 1990s on the basis of the BTR-80, but not commercially produced.

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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  coolieno99 on Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:13 pm

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    BTR-80 APC

    Post  franco on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:00 pm

    More than 140 armored personnel carriers BTR-82A entered the Western Military District for the rearmament of motorized rifle divisions of newly formed military units, says the release.

    The press service recalled that "BTR-82A is a deep modernization of armored personnel carriers BTR-80 and BTR-80A that are in service with the Russian army and exceeds their predecessors in almost all indicators."

    New combat vehicles have more powerful engines, weapons, as well as modern digital systems for stabilizing weapons, surveillance and sighting. It is also noted that "the new armored personnel carrier is equipped with protection against debris and air conditioning."
    "To improve command control ability, the machine is equipped with modern fifth-generation communication facilities and the" Tron-1 "topographic orientation system," the report said.


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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:52 am

    As informs the Bulletin of Mordovia at the International military technical forum "Army - 2017" for the first time BTR-87 was openly presented. This armored car is considered a radical upgrade of the well-known family of BTR-80 and BTR-82. The most significant difference is the location of the engine-transmission compartment. This armored personnel carrier is located in the front, on the right.
    The driver is in the usual place for himself, the commander is behind him. The combat module is pushed back a little. In the rear part there is an amphibious compartment, for which aft hatches are provided.




    As for the combat module, it is reported that several options are possible. Including uninhabited. All of them are equipped with perfect fire control systems with thermal imaging channels and are armed with a 30-mm cannon with a twin machine gun. The installation of anti-tank complexes "Cornet", as well as containers with flamethrowers "Shmel" is foreseen.



    BTR-87 has reinforced armor and mine protection. The engine of increased power will achieve a maximum speed of 90 km/h.
    This machine is not created as an alternative to VPK-7829 "Boomerang". The fact is that, inside the country and abroad, there is always a need for cheaper armored personnel carriers, on which units and aggregates of equipment well mastered in the troops are widely used.



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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  T-47 on Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:50 pm

    Personally rather than buying this I'd just put the new turret into BTR-80/82A. Yeah its cheap but still I had to buy a new APC alongside Bumerang.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:56 am

    Having rear entry doors would be a serious improvement for the BTR-80 family... and would not increase costs that much.

    For exports it would improve performance without costing too much or needing too many changes.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  flamming_python on Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:30 pm

    With the rear-doors and seemingly added mine-protection - it's a cheap Bumerang. And worth serious consideration IMO.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:36 pm

    flamming_python wrote:With the rear-doors and seemingly added mine-protection - it's a cheap Bumerang. And worth serious consideration IMO.

    This late in the game not so much.

    Switching to Boomerang is only reasonable option.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  medo on Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:33 pm

    BTR-87 would be excellent for NAF and they could give production to DNR, where they could produce the body, while other components could be delivered from Russia.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  Benya on Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:05 am

    T-47 wrote:Personally rather than buying this I'd just put the new turret into BTR-80/82A. Yeah its cheap but still I had to buy a new APC alongside Bumerang.

    They won't really buy this for sure, but after Boomerang enters service in reasonable numbers, more and more BTR-80s/82s will go to reserve, and in the long run, this means a large pool of vehicles to be upgraded to BTR-87s, and with Boomerangs in active service and BTR-87s in reserve, wheeled motor rifle troops will be a serious force to be reckoned with.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:58 pm

    Benya wrote:
    T-47 wrote:Personally rather than buying this I'd just put the new turret into BTR-80/82A. Yeah its cheap but still I had to buy a new APC alongside Bumerang.

    They won't really buy this for sure, but after Boomerang enters service in reasonable numbers, more and more BTR-80s/82s will go to reserve, and in the long run, this means a large pool of vehicles to be upgraded to BTR-87s, and with Boomerangs in active service and BTR-87s in reserve, wheeled motor rifle troops will be a serious force to be reckoned with.

    Yeah pretty much my thoughts.

    This modernization or a later version of it could be a viable one for BTR-80s/BTR-80As/BTR-82s in reserve or in some non-priority regions, or in service with the National Guard.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:25 am

    It improves a vehicle design and makes something that was adequate even better.

    Another step up above the BTR-82.

    It wont replace Boomerang for the Russians, because the whole idea of the Boomerang family is logistics tail so having a different vehicle in the force makes little sense because it ruins the idea of having one engine and one set of spares needed for all vehicles in the force.

    For export it removes one problem of the BTR series of vehicles in terms of entry and exit.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:53 pm

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    Producing new ones makes no sense but upgrading existing ones is a different story.

    Still there is question of how much hull cutting is involved in that upgrade. Other than switching engine position there also seems to be increased interior space and that means lifting vehicle roof a bit.

    Well known problem with Soviet era vehicles is that they are too small for today's average sized person.

    Weapon station OTOH seems very good and they should implement it on 82s first chance they get. Seems simple enough.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  franco on Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:59 pm

    Can present BTR-80/82 be converted to a BTR-87? Or is it a new build only?

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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  T-47 on Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:04 pm

    I don't think it can be converted like BTR-87. Because the turret position is different. Keeping the turret position same the other features might be included.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  Benya on Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:51 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Still there is question of how much hull cutting is involved in that upgrade. Other than switching engine position there also seems to be increased interior space and that means lifting vehicle roof a bit.

    Not much IMO. They just need to lift up the superstructure a bit by exchanging the side armor plates above the chassis with larger ones.

    Weapon station OTOH seems very good and they should implement it on 82s first chance they get. Seems simple enough.

    Why? The current 30mm autocannon turret for BTR-80As/BTR-82As is good as it is. I mean, "why do you need 4 Kornets on all BTRs?" What I'm trying to say is that wheeled APCs/IFVs won't face that much heavy armor, as they aren't intended to engage them first in combat.

    T-47 wrote:I don't think it can be converted like BTR-87. Because the turret position is different. Keeping the turret position same the other features might be included.

    Nope. Engineers of VPK kept in mind the fact that the side doors and the cramped troop compartment are serious drawbacks of the BTR series. So at last, they came up with the Boomerang and the BTR-87, and I think that the latter was designed from the very beginning as an upgrade of the BTR-80/82, and not as a brand new vehicle.

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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  T-47 on Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:12 pm

    Benya wrote:
    Nope. Engineers of VPK kept in mind the fact that the side doors and the cramped troop compartment are serious drawbacks of the BTR series. So at last, they came up with the Boomerang and the BTR-87, and I think that the latter was designed from the very beginning as an upgrade of the BTR-80/82, and not as a brand new vehicle.

    Yes but the amount of hull cutting and replacing (and other stuffs) indicates the work is not simple. My opinion this is an export stunt like new MiG-35. I think for russia they should mind on getting Bumerang into serial production first. Then if money allows, they can think this. Till then current BTRs are okay.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:07 am

    It will be some time before the Boomerang and Kurganets and Armata can be exported so upgraded versions of older vehicles make sense... both for export and to upgrade in service models.

    A new design that brings new features and new capabilities means producing old models is a bit of a waste of time.

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