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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:45 pm

    As far as BTR-87 goes, it's essentially a cross between a BTR-82 and BTR-90, for whatever that's worth.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  medo on Thu Mar 24, 2016 7:48 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    medo wrote:
    George1 wrote:BTR-87

    Designed by LLC "Military-Industrial Company", BTR-87 is a deep modernization of the BTR-82A and is distinct from the entire family of the BTR-80 / BTR-82, layout with a front engine compartment (engine is at the front right) and stern location of the troop compartment, aft exit landing. Accordingly, the machine has a completely new hull. The prototype of the BTR-87 has the standard, of the BTR-82A, combat BPPU module with 30-mm 2A72 automatic cannon and a 7.62 mm machine gun PKTM.

    According to known information, MIC developed the BTR-87 on its own initiative and is intended mainly for exports.



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    Cheap and modern and with no worse protection than BTR-82A. They should give/sell license to produce them in Novorussia for Novorussian army. They will be no worse than BTR-4 and they could as well equip it with RWS with 12,7 ot 14,5 mm machine gun instead of BPPU turret if they wish.

    No worse than BTR-4...are you freaking serious lol?pwnd scratch Suspect  That's an insult more than a compliment...the BTR-4 was notorious for it's Hohol-low design of poor weld quality, and pathetic quality control, which is a notorious/infamous trait of the Ukrappy's lmao!!! lol1

    I have in mind those produced in Novorussian factories in case if they will produce them. Russian ones will for sure have better quality of production. It is cheap and modern vehicle and with that very suitable for Novorussian army to get new armored vehicles. Russia would deliver engines, transmissions and turrets, all the rest could be produced in Novorussia. Even Ukraine import engines for their BTRs.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Mar 25, 2016 2:19 am

    So they placed the Engine in Front and have rear doors now...Yeah.

    Looks like other guys have done that before (SAUR 12.7/ LAV 25 etc). Cheap conversion of Soviet Era BTR's...
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:47 am

    Looks like other guys have done that before (SAUR 12.7/ LAV 25 etc). Cheap conversion of Soviet Era BTR's...

    BTR-152, and BMP-1 had rear entry too.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:08 pm

    OK this is improvement but what is an economic reasoning behind this one? export? replacement for secondary units so Boomerang can go to first line ones?

    GarryB wrote:
    Looks like other guys have done that before (SAUR 12.7/ LAV 25 etc). Cheap conversion of Soviet Era BTR's...

    BTR-152, and BMP-1 had rear entry too.

    But Soviet does not count, only western ahhh productions does Smile
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:09 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Looks like other guys have done that before (SAUR 12.7/ LAV 25 etc). Cheap conversion of Soviet Era BTR's...

    BTR-152, and BMP-1 had rear entry too.

    Off course, it wasn't meant as a slight, just noticing that this is clearly (IMO) an export product.

    Edit: SAUR is a Romanian BTR60/70 butchered in the same sense. It has nothing Western at all. It's a cheap modification of a proven platform for export.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:43 am

    I suspect this will be export only.

    The trim vane on the front shows it still retains amphibious capacity, but I would expect that amphibious capacity is diminished and the shifting of the engine to the front means more weight needed at the rear to balance the weight of the engine and front armour.

    I suspect the rear position of the turret might compensate a little, but its position wont be very good for the crew in the compartment below.

    A smaller lighter armed remote turret that does not penetrate into the crew compartment would be a much better solution IMHO.

    Off course, it wasn't meant as a slight, just noticing that this is clearly (IMO) an export product.

    Me being sensitive... Modern anti material rifles are not called copies of Soviet PTRS and PTRD anti tank rifles, yet well after they stopped being useful in their intended roles against armour they continued to be used against buildings and vehicles and light fortifications and even aircraft in an anti material role. Initially they were copied in the west as long range sniper rifles but the lack of long range accuracy meant they tended to be recalibred to western 50 cal and used against hard items at much closer range. Then of course there is the IFV, gun launched missiles etc etc copied by the west that does not copy...
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:23 am

    GarryB wrote:I suspect this will be export only.

    The trim vane on the front shows it still retains amphibious capacity, but I would expect that amphibious capacity is diminished and the shifting of the engine to the front means more weight needed at the rear to balance the weight of the engine and front armour.

    I suspect the rear position of the turret might compensate a little, but its position wont be very good for the crew in the compartment below.

    A smaller lighter armed remote turret that does not penetrate into the crew compartment would be a much better solution IMHO.


    It also seems to have 2 shrouded propellers (pumpjets) replacing the original centrally-located pumpjet.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  Militarov on Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:I suspect this will be export only.

    The trim vane on the front shows it still retains amphibious capacity, but I would expect that amphibious capacity is diminished and the shifting of the engine to the front means more weight needed at the rear to balance the weight of the engine and front armour.

    I suspect the rear position of the turret might compensate a little, but its position wont be very good for the crew in the compartment below.

    A smaller lighter armed remote turret that does not penetrate into the crew compartment would be a much better solution IMHO.

    Off course, it wasn't meant as a slight, just noticing that this is clearly (IMO) an export product.

    Me being sensitive...  Modern anti material rifles are not called copies of Soviet PTRS and PTRD anti tank rifles, yet well after they stopped being useful in their intended roles against armour they continued to be used against buildings and vehicles and light fortifications and even aircraft in an anti material role. Initially they were copied in the west as long range sniper rifles but the lack of long range accuracy meant they tended to be recalibred to western 50 cal and used against hard items at much closer range. Then of course there is the IFV, gun launched missiles etc etc copied by the west that does not copy...

    To be totally fair, first real AT rifle was German T-Gewehr.

    Fact stays that most produced and used AT rifles were British Boys rifle and USSR PTRS-41/PTRD-41.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:07 am

    To be totally fair, first real AT rifle was German T-Gewehr.

    I never said the Soviet anti tank rifles were the first anti tank rifles... they were the first practical effective weapons that were used well after their practical design purpose made them obsolete in the role they were designed for. They continued to be used for a range of other roles and the fact that its ammo continued to be used in a machine gun meant ammo was not a problem for short to medium range use (it was never accurate enough for very long range use in a rifle).

    The first real anti tank rifle was the 8mm Mauser standard rifle where it was found if the projectiles were removed from the cartridge case and reversed that they were less likely to ricochet off the ammo and actually penetrate early light armour.
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  George1 on Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:38 pm

    Russian Army to Receive 20 New BTR-82A Armored Personnel Carriers in 2016

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160410/1037774372/russian-army-btr82a.html#ixzz45SDmLses
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    Post  Militarov on Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:22 pm

    "Russian Ministry of Defense shows interest about the BTR-87 armoured personnel carriers, said General Director of “Military-Industrial Company” (VPK) Alexander Krasovitsky.

    The BTR-87 is an amphibious wheeled armored personnel carrier being developed for the potential foreign customers. In a departure with the previous BTR-80 series of vehicles, the engine located in the front instead of the rear. Engine location was a significant drawback of BTR vehicles, where soldiers had to exit the vehicles through cramped side doors, which put them directly in the line of enemy fire.

    According to Russian military experts, the development of BTR-87 is a coherent project. The upgraded vehicle is estimated to be in high demand by financially constraint potential foreign customers, as it has good cost-effectiveness ratio (comparable to the related ratio of BTR-80A/BTR-82A)."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/russian-ministry-of-defense-shows-interest-about-the-btr-87-armoured-personnel-carriers.html
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  Book. on Thu May 12, 2016 8:59 am

    Прицел ТКН-4ГА-01 - TKN-4ga-02, the sight
    05.11.2016 23:57:53 | Here: http://romz.ru/

    Purpose: Combined universal sight TKN-4ga-01 is designed for surveillance in combat, search, detection, identification purposes and to ensure aimed fire from a machine-gun complex cannon (30 mm caliber cannon (2A72, 2A42, etc.) and PKT machine gun ( M) of 7.62 mm), of a set of machine-gun (gun KPVT 14.5 mm caliber machine gun PKT (M)) of the object BTVT weapons against ground and air targets in day and night conditions.

    The sight TKN-4ga-01 is installed in the wheel type armored personnel carriers BTR-80, BTR-82, BTR-82A, as well as the type of BMP objects, BMD, MT LME, Fri.



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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:42 pm

    BTR-82A after the upgrade will be able to "see" the night

    Armored personnel carrier has a high survivability, equipped with unified fighting module, air conditioning, modern communication and orientation systems

    ASTANA, June 2nd. / TASS /. "Military-industrial company" plans to modernize the BTR-82A by the order of the Defense Ministry and set upon him, in particular, thermal sight. This was reported by TASS General Director Alexander Krasovitsky company.

    "We are now conducting a new R & D, upgrade this machine (BTR-82A), put on her thermal sight, ie the machine will see the night perfectly. There is already an order in the modernized BTR. The name of it will have a certain additional letter. Soon conclude this OCD "- said Krasovitsky arms exhibition KADEX-2016 held in Kazakhstan.

    He added that the military-industrial complex in the military and engineering center is working on 20 projects, most of which is scheduled for completion this year, and the rest - in the next.

    BTR-82A has a high survivability, equipped with a unified fighting module, air conditioning, modern communication and orientation systems. BTR-82A supplied to the Russian Defense Ministry in 2011.


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    Post  Project Canada on Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:46 pm


    Defense Ministry will increase the combat power of the BTR-82


    Russia's Defense Ministry plans to increase the combat power of the BTR-82 by installing the 57-mm automatic gun, according to Izvestia , citing a military source.

    "BTR-82 - is a further development of the legendary armored personnel carriers BTR-80, which in the course of modernization, instead of 14.5 mm caliber machine guns were mounted 30-mm 2A72 automatic gun, as well as advanced sighting equipment, digital communication and information transfer, enhanced anti-mine protection. Currently, the Ministry of Defence has bought more than a thousand new combat vehicles, which, apart from motorized infantry brigades and divisions, entered service intelligence units Marine Brigade and units of special forces "- the article says.

    Historian and veteran armored troops Sergei Suvorov:" This is a significant increase in firepower combat vehicle. Caliber 57 mm for today - the most versatile. At the rate of fire of 120 rounds per minute "Baikal" is capable of a minimum of time to hit almost any armored target on the battlefield, including the tank. "

    In addition, he said," the use of uninhabited module frees the internal volume of the combat vehicle that allows you to create a more comfortable conditions for being in the APC soldiers

    "This solution increases the safety of personnel, as all ammunition is outside the habitable volume of APC directly into a combat unit. Upon detonation of ammunition people do not suffer, - said Sergey Suvorov. - At the same AU-220M can also act as a fully automatic stationary firing point. The car can be left in position and control the fire remotely, which also increases the chances of survival of the military. "

    https://topwar.ru/99395-minoborony-uvelichit-boevuyu-mosch-btr-82.html
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:02 am

    Project Canada wrote:
    Defense Ministry will increase the combat power of the BTR-82


    Russia's Defense Ministry plans to increase the combat power of the BTR-82 by installing the 57-mm automatic gun, according to Izvestia , citing a military source.

    "BTR-82 - is a further development of the legendary armored personnel carriers BTR-80, which in the course of modernization, instead of 14.5 mm caliber machine guns were mounted 30-mm 2A72 automatic gun, as well as advanced sighting equipment, digital communication and information transfer, enhanced anti-mine protection. Currently, the Ministry of Defence has bought more than a thousand new combat vehicles, which, apart from motorized infantry brigades and divisions, entered service intelligence units Marine Brigade and units of special forces "- the article says.

    Historian and veteran armored troops Sergei Suvorov:" This is a significant increase in firepower combat vehicle. Caliber 57 mm for today - the most versatile. At the rate of fire of 120 rounds per minute "Baikal" is capable of a minimum of time to hit almost any armored target on the battlefield, including the tank. "

    In addition, he said," the use of uninhabited module frees the internal volume of the combat vehicle that allows you to create a more comfortable conditions for being in the APC soldiers

    "This solution increases the safety of personnel, as all ammunition is outside the habitable volume of APC directly into a combat unit. Upon detonation of ammunition people do not suffer, - said Sergey Suvorov. - At the same AU-220M can also act as a fully automatic stationary firing point. The car can be left in position and control the fire remotely, which also increases the chances of survival of the military. "

    https://topwar.ru/99395-minoborony-uvelichit-boevuyu-mosch-btr-82.html

    This is pretty cool this must one of best guns mounted on any wheeled APC the destructive power of 57mm is more than capable of making short work of other APC and IFV's. Its pretty crazy to think for a while the 57mm calibre was almost sent to the history books with S-60 and ZSU 57-2 coming out service by Russia and now suddenly theres an interest in it, purely because modern APC and IFV armour is getting better and with many counter measures against anti tank weapons from ERA to soft kill systems, it makes sense to have something this destructive, the 57mm rounds would make short work of any IFV regardless of what counter measures they had as using a cannon like this theirs simply no real counter measure ERA etc becomes useless.
    another mention of it here
    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160817/1044362994/russia-apc-cannon.html
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    Re: BTR-80/82A and variants: News

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:10 am

    This would need a overhauling of the recoil reducing capabilities. And putting the weight up.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:04 pm

    Because of the velocity of the gun it would be interesting if they developed a full calibre APHE (ie armour piercing High explosive).

    This would be devastating to lightly armoured vehicles and positions as it would penetrate inside them before detonating.

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    Post  hoom on Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:57 pm

    Kinda surprised they are still working on upgrades/new builds with Bumerang on the way Suspect

    An article I read (can't remember where sorry) suggests the existing BTR82 with the 30mm cannon is already pushing the suspension/amphibious capability -> is unlikely to be possible to mount the Baikal.
    Pretty huge firepower upgrade if they can pull it off though.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:30 pm

    hoom wrote:Kinda surprised they are still working on upgrades/new builds with Bumerang on the way Suspect

    An article I read (can't remember where sorry) suggests the existing BTR82 with the 30mm cannon is already pushing the suspension/amphibious capability -> is unlikely to be possible to mount the Baikal.
    Pretty huge firepower upgrade if they can pull it off though.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:51 am

    Also the new vehicles wont enter service instantly so existing models still require upgrades to make them effective.

    Vehicles kept in reserve need upgrades to make them worth keeping for the moment too.

    Even just the application of new ERA and APS systems can make an ancient tank much more capable and survivable on a modern battlefield.

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    Post  hoom on Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:19 pm

    Vehicles kept in reserve need upgrades to make them worth keeping for the moment too.
    True.
    Also I realised if they upgrade old BTR hulls now, later they can retire the hull & move the turret to a new build Armata/Kurganets/Bumerang.
    As long as they can get it to fit old BTRs without much work its possibly an incredibly clever way to get the better firepower fielded ASAP thumbsup
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    Post  Benya on Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:50 pm

    New contract to be signed about the modernization of the BTRs

    The new contract for the modernization of armored personnel carriers BTR-80 BTR-82AM

    The portal of public procurement in June 2016 were laid nebezynteresnyesvedeniya the purchase of JSC "81 armored repair plant" (Armavir, Krasnodar region, the company is a part of JSC "Scientific and Production Corporation" Uralvagonzavod "Dzerzhinsky") from a single supplier the right to conclude a contract for the supply of the CI-126 tires in the amount of 2584 units. Bylzaklyuchen Contract with LLC "Investment Company" Amtel "(Moscow) in the amount of 82,606,399 rubles 44 kopecks, including VAT (the tires themselves KI-126 manufactured by JSC" Kirov Tyre Plant ", owned by Pirelli group).

    Documentation on this contract can be concluded that the CI-126 tires are purchased as part of a new three-year state contract 81st BTRZ with the Russian Ministry of Defense number 1618187312061422241000270 of 21 April 2016 for modernization in the years 2016-2018 BTR-80 variant BTR-82AM. Given the fact that for every eight APCs need tires, it is easy to calculate that the contract provides for the modernization of 323 units. Including data, taking into account the bus delivery schedule CI-126 - in 2016, 78 armored personnel carriers (624 tires), 2017 100 BTR (bus 800) and the 2018 BTR 145 (1160 buses).

    The correctness of these calculations confirmed subcontracting 81st BTRZ a modernization in the same state contract:


    - Production and supply of batteries 12 ST-85RM: in 2016 - 156 units (set for two units on one APC - a total of 78 cars in this year).

    - Supply of components for the BTR-82AM - 323 units. By year fighting in the lines: box relay KR40-3S rotating VKU330-2 contact device, the filter F-5 (the remaining difference).

    - Manufacturing and delivery of rigging grid - 323 units.

    - Production and supply of components to the spare parts - 323 units of each item.

    Recall that in the prior three-year contract for the 2014-2016 years, signed April 21, 2014, 81 minutes BTRZ being upgraded to Ministry of Defense of Russia 316 BTR-80 variant of the BTR-82AM, including 120 units in 2014, 134 - in 2015 and 62 - in 2016. The total contract price is 6.77 billion rubles. For this 81-m BTRZ were purchased, respectively, CI-2528 bus 126 (including 960 tires in 2014 year).

    In addition, 81 minutes BTRZ currently sells as a contract for the modernization of 17 BTR-80 armored personnel carriers in the option-82AM for the Russian Interior Ministry, which were purchased, respectively, 136 tires CI-126.

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    Post  franco on Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:49 pm

    If this actually represents another 323 BTR-80's being upgraded to BTR-82AM standard, this should complete the conversion of all Ground Force Motor Rifle battalions using BTR-80's to BTR-80A, BTR-82A or BTR-82AM standard.

    EDIT:

    bmpd just filed a story about the conversation of 323 BTR-80 to 82AM standard plus 240 R-145BM (BTR-60PU command & signal) to R-145BM1 standards. Vehicle closer to BTR-80 standards with much improved communications and navigation equipment.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2087250.html
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    Post  Benya on Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:25 pm

    Maybe this is part of the planned modernization program Question


    Russia’s BTR-82A APCs to integrate new thermal imager in October

    The Military Industrial Company (Russian acronym: VPK, Voyenno-Promishlennaya Kompaniya) is planning to finish the trials of the BTR-82A armoured personnel carrier (APC) equipped with a thermal imager in October 2016, according to the Director General of VPK, Alexander Krasovitsky.


    A Russian BTR-82A APC

    "The sighting system with an integrated thermal imager has been assembled. At present, it is being integrated with the BTR-82A APC. We suppose that the relevant trials will be finished in October 2016. When the test program has been successfully completed, VPK will start the serial production of the upgraded carrier," Krasovitsky said. He added that the enhanced BTR-82A APC would be able to detect targets at a 3,000 m distance in harsh environment by day and night.

    BTR-82A is the latest development of the BTR-80 armoured personnel carrier. The massive deliveries of the vehicles to Russia`s Armed Forces have started in 2011. BTR-82A features a unified manned turret, an air cooling unit, and an advanced navigational system.

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