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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:47 am

    Summer means which month for 2013 in Russia ?
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:52 am

    Wow, that means that a total of 3 new nuclear subs (2 Boreis and 1 Yasen) will be laid out in one year. They are getting closer to the rate they used to do during CCCP years.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:25 am

    In CCCP years a 971 attack sub was built in...basically 1 year :O
    Kilos were launched 4 months after being laid down...

    So we are not on the same page as the good old days, not even close.
    3 subs laid down isn't bad, but the rate of construction worries me.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:40 am

    TR1 wrote:In CCCP years a 971 attack sub was built in...basically 1 year :O
    Kilos were launched 4 months after being laid down...

    How did they manage such feat , There is no way they can from laying down to commisioning can do it in one year .....Are you sure you dont have a glass of vodka in your hand while you typed this Razz

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:29 am

    Nope, that is what is so shocking o.O

    Oh and I did not say commission, but build time Wink .
    Though, in some cases (Amur shipyard especially), boats were laid down, launched, commissioned all within 1 year.
    Impressive isn't it?

    Just check the Wiki dates, I was shocked myself when I discovered this.

    The Kilos were sometimes in service half a year after being laid down.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GJ Flanker on Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:37 am

    It's all about proper financing! 2 Boreis II and 1 Yasen-M this year, because of cleared financing.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:41 am

    The financing isn't all payed at once, what they need is to ensure stable financing throughout the project.
    They can lay down 5 Boreiis this year, doesn't mean all will be finished in a timely manner.

    Hopefully the negotiations that took a long time between the MOD and UAC mean some of the issues with funding will be solved.
    MOD funding has been crappy - even recently Zvezdocha repair yard did a bunch of initial work on the burned Yekaterinburg basically on their own means, on the assumption MOD would pay them after.
    This is of course is ridiculous.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:23 pm

    I will be impressed if 885M indeed is quiter than Sea Wolf Class by a good margin cost withstanding. It will for prove acoustic advantage is not a Western dominance.

    I think the first 885 class will be as quite if not better than Virginia or Astute class even if not as quite the difference will be very small.

    The key bottle neck is now production they should focus on how they can solve it and in next 2 decade this and next they can build 4th Gen SSGN/SSBN and 4 plus types
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:38 pm

    http://www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/5661/

    Sevmash claims Kazan will be handed over in 2015, not 2016 like has been stated due to ovveruns.
    Now I think 2016 is still realistic time for boat to be handed over to VMF, but either way we have at least around 6 years from beginning to end of construction.
    The 3rd boat is going to be laid down this year, so by current trends will be handed over in 2019.

    Now, does anyone reallly think there is possibility for more than 4 Yasens by 2020 Very Happy ?

    No coincidence the navy is suddenly interested in overhauling and modernizing a bunch of legacy subs.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:43 pm

    Overhauling existing subs with potential is just common sense.

    Does your projection allow for the fact that now they are doing something they have done before and might be able to do better and faster this time around?


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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:18 am

    4 subs in service by 2020 assumes that the speed from construction to hand over will be decreased from 6 years.
    If the 4th boat is laid down next year, it is quite feasible it will enter service before (realistically by the end of) 2020.
    5th boat? Unless its also laid down in 2014, and the pace picks up (all conjecture as of now), it will not make it in time for 2020.


    What needs to happen is boats need to be laid down steadily after this year, at least 1 per year. Nothing like the big gap from the Kazan (2009) to the 3rd boat (2013).
    If this happens a steady stream of new boats will be available past 2020 through 2025 which will be the right time to decommission current classes.

    What prevents me from assuming that the next boat will be completed much faster than Kazan is the lack of info about its construction pace. Sevmash claims everything is on plan and without pauses. If that is the case the timeline cannot be expected to increase drastically.
    Further we have the issue of so much work at one shipyard.
    Wonder why Amur isn't being brought into the picture.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  gaurav on Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:20 am

    Now, does anyone reallly think there is possibility for more than 4 Yasens by 2020 ?

    No coincidence the navy is suddenly interested in overhauling and modernizing a bunch of legacy subs.
    Submarine forces to have conventional weapons. Question

    rian article details about "high precision" weapons in all the submarines.This might also be a factor in the delay of project 885M submarines.

    I mean what are these weapons. think just too classified to be speculated..?

    Upgrade of super-hypersonic Calibre(only for pr 885 ,almost 6 years behind 885M) , or most probably something else.

    Can any one I mean "speculate" on these "conventional strategic weapons.." opp sounding words..though.. I thought strategic was only nuke..(Russ sense) confused

    Submarine forces precision weapons

    As the 885M is also getting delayed so now hence this weapon will also be fitted in upgraded Akula's.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:18 am

    Strategic/theatre are range descriptions, though in terms of cruise missiles there is an accuracy requirement too.

    Older Soviet naval cruise missiles were based on the Granat cruise missile (note Granat, subsonic cruise missile, not Granit supersonic anti ship missile)... we are talking about SS-N-21 Sampson missiles here not SS-N-19 Shipwreck missiles.

    The cold war missiles didn't have the accuracy for conventional warheads as the size of the warhead (up to 400kgs) meant the accuracy (CEP 200m) was not precise enough.

    Newer models have greatly improved accuracy (less than 15m CEP) which is accurate enough for a conventional HE warhead to be effective.

    This means that the subsonic all the way models of Klub (2,500km range) could use nuclear or conventional warheads and still be effective.

    It is unknown what range the supersonic versions of Klub has... perhaps 1,500km with the vast majority of that in subsonic cruise flight.

    I rather suspect the Onyx will likely be able to engage targets in the 600-700km range bracket at supersonic speeds, while Brahmos II will also likely be designed to be used from UKSK launch tubes too.


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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  gaurav on Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:58 am

    I think we have not seen the last of these "High precision weapons".

    I think they are really a mystery ..

    We would know in time as to what these nasty statements coming from the top about..

    "High precision weapons" means..
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Viktor on Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:05 pm

    Even Kilo class subs not to say Amur 950 with 10 VLS can now be equipped with 2500km range weapons giving Western strategists something

    to think about.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:06 am

    http://www.balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=329384&download=2&type=.jpg

    Cool! Last years Kalibr launch from the Severodvinsk.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Viktor on Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:45 am

    TR1 wrote:http://www.balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=329384&download=2&type=.jpg

    Cool! Last years Kalibr launch from the Severodvinsk.

    Wow Very Happy Very Happy

    Incredible picture. Nice find.

    I have read that more tests with Kalibr will follow soon.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:20 pm

    I would have been more impressed if it was a submerged launch
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  gaurav on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:18 pm

    Damn gorgeous..!
    I would have been more impressed if it was a submerged launch


    The reason why it was developed for all frigates and corvettes.
    This is also a strong reason that it was not purposefully built for Severodvinsk class. Question

    Dont know which versions are deployed in upcoming frigates.
    The launch almost looks like a mini-Bulava.
    The missile is in serial production for all corvettes and Frigates and DAMN.. Exclamation THAT LOOKS REALLY TINY smaaall vehicle almost like hovering israeli UAV vehicles..

    Amazing man.. Russians are developing and minitiarising (solid fuel) technology relentlessly..

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:43 am

    I would have been more impressed if it was a submerged launch

    It was a test. They will start with testing it from a barge, then a real ship/sub, then they will try from a submerged but stationary sub and then perhaps a sub moving at low speed.

    Proper testing is much better than getting this into operational service only to have problems and deaths or accidents because it wasn't properly tested.

    This vertical launch system is UKSK and can fire a range of weapon types including Onyx/Brahmos, as well as the Klub family of anti ship, land attack, and anti sub weapons.

    The cold war equivalent of being able to launch a Moskit, a SS-N-21 Granat, and a SS-N-15 anti sub rocket delivered torpedo system (like ASROC) but mounted on every new Russian surface and subsurface vessel... I'd say that is pretty impressive.


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    Russia's New Nuclear Sub in Sea Trials

    Post  KLEWANG on Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:29 am

    MOSCOW, June 3 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Project 885 Yasen-class attack submarine, the Severodvinsk, has embarked on its latest series of official tests in the White Sea, the manufacturer said Monday.

    Sevmash shipyard spokeswoman Yekaterina Pilikina said the tests had started several days ago, without providing details on their time frame or scope.

    The shipyard had earlier said the submarine would continue tests that had started in 2011. The Severodvinsk has spent a total of 137 days at sea.

    The submarine, whose construction began in 1993, is due to be delivered to the Navy later this year. It was to have been handed over by the end of 2012.
    The Severodvinsk carried out a series of cruise-missile test-firings in November, including the test-launch of a supersonic cruise missile at a land target.

    The multirole attack submarine has a submerged displacement of 13,800 tons, length of 119 meters, speed of 31 knots, and can dive to 600 meters. It has a crew of 90, including 32 officers.

    It is armed with 3M55 Oniks (SS-N-26) and 3M54 (SS-N-27) Kalibr cruise missiles, torpedoes and mines.



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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:35 am

    That raises something that has been bothering me for a while.

    The cruise missiles of the Soviet Union were different for each branch of the military, so the air force had the Kh-55 and later Kh-55SD and Kh-555 and in the early 2000s they tested and approved the Kh-101 and Kh-102 long range cruise missiles into service.

    In the Navy they had the Granat or SS-N-22 cruise missile which has evolved into the Klub and Kalibr missile family that can be launched from the standardised UKSK launcher along with the Onyx/Brahmos/Yakont.

    Now it says the cruise missile on the Yasen class subs has a range of up to 5,000km... does that mean that they have a new variant of Kalibr that has double the range of Granat (note Granat is the subsonic cruise missile with a 2,500km range and nuclear warhead... not the Granit, which is a 7 ton Mach 2+ anti ship missile).

    Or does it mean that the Kh-101 and Kh-102 can be launched by the UKSK unified launcher?

    There has been a huge drive to standardise in the new Russian military and missiles and artillery are now shared across the services... the 30mm cannon shell (30 x 165mm) is one example, but the new Morfei missile which will be a point defence missile at sea and on land and a short range AAM for the air force takes it to a new level... you have to ask are they unifying their cruise missiles too?

    More interesting is that the INF treaty banned intermediate range missiles... ballistic and cruise missiles with a flight range of 500km to 5,500km... a ground launched cruise missile with a flight range of 6,000km would be perfectly legally deployed and very cheap to make and operate.


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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:24 am

    I think it is journalistic nonsense for now.
    Only way the boat will have that sort of range- if they navalize Kh-101. That has clearly not happened yet, so I think Kalibr range is what we have.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:16 am

    Launch pics!

    http://s006.radikal.ru/i215/1306/aa/729c333d1920.jpg
    http://www.balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=337152&download=2&type=.jpg

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