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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:19 pm

    There are other 4 units of graney class order but i don't see any work on these so far

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:35 pm

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/24832/

    Severdovinsk has fired a cruise missile during testing- "Kalibr".

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:44 am

    SSGN Severodvinsk Launched Newest Cruise Missile

    Nuclear-powered submarine Severodvinsk successfully performed test launch of a new cruise missile and hit sea target during the state acceptance trials in the White Sea, said an informed source in Russian defense industry.

    "During state acceptance trials at the White Sea, Yasen-class lead submarine Severodvinsk launched Caliber supersonic cruise missile from submerged position at a sea target. The target was successfully hit", the insider told ITAR-TASS.

    According to another source, in 2012 the fourth-generation SSGN Severodvinsk has spent over 100 days at sea undergoing trials. In 2011, the sub spent about 120 days at sea.

    Russian Navy Commander-in-Chief ADM Viktor Chirkov said on Aug 17 that trials of SSGN Severodvinsk would finish by the end of the current year.

    SSGN Severodvinsk is a double-hulled single-shaft nuclear submarine with reduced level of acoustic field. Conning tower has streamlined oval shape; strength hull is subdivided into 10 compartments.

    For the first time in Soviet/Russian shipbuilding, torpedo tubes are located not in bows but behind central station; that enabled to use bow space for advanced sonar antenna.

    Eight vertical launch tubes are designed for missile arms. Powerful weapon system includes supersonic cruise missiles and multipurpose deep-water homing torpedoes. The sub is also equipped with state-of-the-art communication hardware and navigation aids, and powered by crucially new nuclear powerplant.

    Introduction of latest Russian military technologies will make Yasen class the world's most silent and covert submarines.

    Displacement of SSGN Severodvinsk is 8,600/13,800 tons; dimensions are 119 x 13.5 x 9.4 meters; test depth is 600 meters; speed is 16/31 knots; crew is 90 (32 officers).

    It was reported on Oct 30 that Borei-class lead nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine Yury Dolgoruky had finished state acceptance trials and was presented to Russian Navy for commissioning.

    Shortly before that, the ex-minister of defense Anatoly Serdiukov said that commissioning of the new strategic submarine had been postponed again for spring 2013.

    In May 2012, defense ministry signed three contracts for modernized Project 955A submarines; each of those 5 submarines will be capable to carry 20 Bulava ballistic missiles. The contract for designing of the lead modernized Borei sub named Knyaz Vladimir was tied with Rubin design bureau; for her construction - with Sevmash shipyard; for construction of 4 upgraded Borei-class submarines – with United Shipbuilding Corporation.

    Therefore, eight strategic submarines are to be built and delivered to Russian Navy till 2020 under arms procurement program. Three of them are Project 955 Borei four-generation subs, and five are Project 955A Borei-A fifth-generation ones.

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=16398

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:47 am

    Is this true ?

    http://www.avanturist.org/forum/topic/469/offset/9540 ( BlackShark )

    То есть все "убийцы авианосцев" перевооружат на универсальные ПУ СМ-315 (как на "Северодвинске" и остальных пр.08853 Ясень-М, только там их 8, а тут будет 24). И смогут они нести 24 гиперзвуковых ПКР ОН "Циркон", или 72 сверхзвуковых ПКР ОН "Оникс", или 72 ракеты комплекса оружия "Калибр" (ПКР дозвуковые со сверхзвуковой атакующей ступенью, ПЛУР, КР морского базирования по наземным целям тактической и стратегической дальности, до 5500км). Умрите амеровские АУГ сразу в порту и не мучайтесь. Учитывая десяток (примерно столько удержат и достроят если "Белгород" и кого-то там еще) таких подводных крейсеров в боевом составе и до 20 в итоге "Ясеней-М"... сами посчитаете суммарный залп...

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:02 am

    Well for one I am not sure where he is digging 20 Yasen's from.....Black Shark is a very, um, optimistic poster, let's leave it at that.
    The missile counts are guesswork as of now, but one thing I can guerntee you WON'T happen is 20 Yasens operating along 10 Anteiis.

    Half that number and we are closer to reality.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Mindstorm on Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:29 am

    Austin wrote:Is this true ?

    http://www.avanturist.org/forum/topic/469/offset/9540 ( BlackShark )

    То есть все "убийцы авианосцев" перевооружат на универсальные ПУ СМ-315 (как на "Северодвинске" и остальных пр.08853 Ясень-М, только там их 8, а тут будет 24). И смогут они нести 24 гиперзвуковых ПКР ОН "Циркон", или 72 сверхзвуковых ПКР ОН "Оникс", или 72 ракеты комплекса оружия "Калибр" (ПКР дозвуковые со сверхзвуковой атакующей ступенью, ПЛУР, КР морского базирования по наземным целям тактической и стратегической дальности, до 5500км). Умрите амеровские АУГ сразу в порту и не мучайтесь. Учитывая десяток (примерно столько удержат и достроят если "Белгород" и кого-то там еще) таких подводных крейсеров в боевом составе и до 20 в итоге "Ясеней-М"... сами посчитаете суммарный залп...


    Obviously not, Ясень employ eight 2 m diameter large СМ-346 launchers ,not СМ-315 and for this reason load number of Циркон is pure imagination; СМ-346 and CM-315 differ both in lenght and diameter.

    Combat load of 949A will be almsot surely converted to full Kalibr land attack cruise missiles (including torpedo tubes) to obtain the removal of radar component of US's ABM system in Europe and most critical NATO's C4 nodes in the opening stages of an eventual quick escalating conventional crysis with NATO in the next years and the load of Калибр ,even only from missile launchers of overhauled 949A is 96 ,not 72 missiles.



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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:49 pm

    Severodvinsk Sub Fires First Cruise Missile

    MOSCOW, November 26 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's newest attack submarine, the Project 855 Severodvinsk, successfully fired its first cruise missile at a land target during manufacturer's sea trials in the White Sea, a source in the United Shipbuilding Corporation told RIA Novosti on Monday.

    The Severodvinsk, laid down in 1993, is one of eight Yasen-class boats being built for the Russian Navy.

    "The multi-role nuclear-powered submarine Severodvinsk fired a supersonic cruise missile at a land target for the first time during sea trials in the White Sea. The target was successfully destroyed," the source said, without specifying what the weapon was.

    "This is of course a big achievement for the shipyard and United Shipbuilding as a whole. Manufacturers' trials are drawing to a close and the boat will soon start state acceptance trials," he said.

    The Severodvinsk has a submerged displacement of 13,800 tons, length of 119 meters, speed of 31 knots, and can dive to 600 meters. It has a crew of 90 including 32 officers.

    Its main armament consists of 3M55 Oniks (SS-N-26) and 3M54 (SS-N-27) Kalibr cruise missiles and conventional torpedos, rocket-torpedos and mines.

    http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20121126/177740207.html

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:40 am

    http://www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/4874/

    3rd Yasen to be laid down this Summer.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:47 am

    Summer means which month for 2013 in Russia ?

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:52 am

    Wow, that means that a total of 3 new nuclear subs (2 Boreis and 1 Yasen) will be laid out in one year. They are getting closer to the rate they used to do during CCCP years.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:25 am

    In CCCP years a 971 attack sub was built in...basically 1 year :O
    Kilos were launched 4 months after being laid down...

    So we are not on the same page as the good old days, not even close.
    3 subs laid down isn't bad, but the rate of construction worries me.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:40 am

    TR1 wrote:In CCCP years a 971 attack sub was built in...basically 1 year :O
    Kilos were launched 4 months after being laid down...

    How did they manage such feat , There is no way they can from laying down to commisioning can do it in one year .....Are you sure you dont have a glass of vodka in your hand while you typed this Razz


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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:29 am

    Nope, that is what is so shocking o.O

    Oh and I did not say commission, but build time Wink .
    Though, in some cases (Amur shipyard especially), boats were laid down, launched, commissioned all within 1 year.
    Impressive isn't it?

    Just check the Wiki dates, I was shocked myself when I discovered this.

    The Kilos were sometimes in service half a year after being laid down.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GJ Flanker on Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:37 am

    It's all about proper financing! 2 Boreis II and 1 Yasen-M this year, because of cleared financing.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:41 am

    The financing isn't all payed at once, what they need is to ensure stable financing throughout the project.
    They can lay down 5 Boreiis this year, doesn't mean all will be finished in a timely manner.

    Hopefully the negotiations that took a long time between the MOD and UAC mean some of the issues with funding will be solved.
    MOD funding has been crappy - even recently Zvezdocha repair yard did a bunch of initial work on the burned Yekaterinburg basically on their own means, on the assumption MOD would pay them after.
    This is of course is ridiculous.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:23 pm

    I will be impressed if 885M indeed is quiter than Sea Wolf Class by a good margin cost withstanding. It will for prove acoustic advantage is not a Western dominance.

    I think the first 885 class will be as quite if not better than Virginia or Astute class even if not as quite the difference will be very small.

    The key bottle neck is now production they should focus on how they can solve it and in next 2 decade this and next they can build 4th Gen SSGN/SSBN and 4 plus types

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:38 pm

    http://www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/5661/

    Sevmash claims Kazan will be handed over in 2015, not 2016 like has been stated due to ovveruns.
    Now I think 2016 is still realistic time for boat to be handed over to VMF, but either way we have at least around 6 years from beginning to end of construction.
    The 3rd boat is going to be laid down this year, so by current trends will be handed over in 2019.

    Now, does anyone reallly think there is possibility for more than 4 Yasens by 2020 Very Happy ?

    No coincidence the navy is suddenly interested in overhauling and modernizing a bunch of legacy subs.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:43 pm

    Overhauling existing subs with potential is just common sense.

    Does your projection allow for the fact that now they are doing something they have done before and might be able to do better and faster this time around?


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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:18 am

    4 subs in service by 2020 assumes that the speed from construction to hand over will be decreased from 6 years.
    If the 4th boat is laid down next year, it is quite feasible it will enter service before (realistically by the end of) 2020.
    5th boat? Unless its also laid down in 2014, and the pace picks up (all conjecture as of now), it will not make it in time for 2020.


    What needs to happen is boats need to be laid down steadily after this year, at least 1 per year. Nothing like the big gap from the Kazan (2009) to the 3rd boat (2013).
    If this happens a steady stream of new boats will be available past 2020 through 2025 which will be the right time to decommission current classes.

    What prevents me from assuming that the next boat will be completed much faster than Kazan is the lack of info about its construction pace. Sevmash claims everything is on plan and without pauses. If that is the case the timeline cannot be expected to increase drastically.
    Further we have the issue of so much work at one shipyard.
    Wonder why Amur isn't being brought into the picture.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  gaurav on Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:20 am

    Now, does anyone reallly think there is possibility for more than 4 Yasens by 2020 ?

    No coincidence the navy is suddenly interested in overhauling and modernizing a bunch of legacy subs.
    Submarine forces to have conventional weapons. Question

    rian article details about "high precision" weapons in all the submarines.This might also be a factor in the delay of project 885M submarines.

    I mean what are these weapons. think just too classified to be speculated..?

    Upgrade of super-hypersonic Calibre(only for pr 885 ,almost 6 years behind 885M) , or most probably something else.

    Can any one I mean "speculate" on these "conventional strategic weapons.." opp sounding words..though.. I thought strategic was only nuke..(Russ sense) confused

    Submarine forces precision weapons

    As the 885M is also getting delayed so now hence this weapon will also be fitted in upgraded Akula's.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:18 am

    Strategic/theatre are range descriptions, though in terms of cruise missiles there is an accuracy requirement too.

    Older Soviet naval cruise missiles were based on the Granat cruise missile (note Granat, subsonic cruise missile, not Granit supersonic anti ship missile)... we are talking about SS-N-21 Sampson missiles here not SS-N-19 Shipwreck missiles.

    The cold war missiles didn't have the accuracy for conventional warheads as the size of the warhead (up to 400kgs) meant the accuracy (CEP 200m) was not precise enough.

    Newer models have greatly improved accuracy (less than 15m CEP) which is accurate enough for a conventional HE warhead to be effective.

    This means that the subsonic all the way models of Klub (2,500km range) could use nuclear or conventional warheads and still be effective.

    It is unknown what range the supersonic versions of Klub has... perhaps 1,500km with the vast majority of that in subsonic cruise flight.

    I rather suspect the Onyx will likely be able to engage targets in the 600-700km range bracket at supersonic speeds, while Brahmos II will also likely be designed to be used from UKSK launch tubes too.


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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  gaurav on Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:58 am

    I think we have not seen the last of these "High precision weapons".

    I think they are really a mystery ..

    We would know in time as to what these nasty statements coming from the top about..

    "High precision weapons" means..

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Viktor on Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:05 pm

    Even Kilo class subs not to say Amur 950 with 10 VLS can now be equipped with 2500km range weapons giving Western strategists something

    to think about.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:06 am

    http://www.balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=329384&download=2&type=.jpg

    Cool! Last years Kalibr launch from the Severodvinsk.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Viktor on Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:45 am

    TR1 wrote:http://www.balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=329384&download=2&type=.jpg

    Cool! Last years Kalibr launch from the Severodvinsk.

    Wow Very Happy Very Happy

    Incredible picture. Nice find.

    I have read that more tests with Kalibr will follow soon.

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