Yemeni Conflict: News #2

AS history has shown, lots of training and good (merit-based) organization can often be a good substitute of actual combat experience.

zg18 wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:No way either of the two mentioned militaries could even to hope to take on the US in any circumstance. The US will win 10 out of 10 fights with either the Pakistanis or Turks if it came down to that. Same with Russia, Russia nowadays could easily mop up the Turks or the Pakistanis if needed to.

I would not take Pakistani military for granted, Pakistan as a country is perhaps messy but Pak army is really heavyweight and respectable institution with properly educated officer core, strong armaments industry. Totally opposite of the country itself.

Turkish army is conventionally large but lacks experience in major conflict compared to Russians, Israelis and Iranians.

I'm not taking the Pakistanis for granted. Sure they might be a powerful military in their region but that doesn't mean they will last very long against a military superpower like the US or Russia if it came down to that. Historical case in point, Saddam's Iraq, exceptional military in the region but didn't last long against the US.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:AS history has shown, lots of training and good (merit-based) organization can often be a good substitute of actual combat experience.

No it doesn't, combat experience cannot be fully substituted by lots of intensive training (which the Turks lack by the way) and good organization. Big reason why the US is considered so powerful as a military is because of their numerous combat missions. Russia has recently shown up there too now. The Saudis and their Gulf allies poured tons of money into training their forces for this very sort of conflict, yet they are getting whooped by the Houthis. All the Turks really have going for them is a big budget and a strong military industrial complex, which again do not even compare to the military superpowers.

"Yemen" thread indeed ...


Some new albeit sketchy details about fate of Rambo-wannabe contractor who ended up dead in Sana in October.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:AS history has shown, lots of training and good (merit-based) organization can often be a good substitute of actual combat experience.

The Chinese and Japanese militaries have virtually no combat experience but I wouldn't ever doubt their warfighting capability. Their strength is their professionalism and high-levels of training.

So yes, I agree.

But of course in terms of military experience no-one really compares to the US or Russia.

And now we have the AGS-17 in the hands of the flip-flop (with magic potion) bunch.

Is khat the magic potion?

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Is khat the magic potion?

Yes

zg18 wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:No way either of the two mentioned militaries could even to hope to take on the US in any circumstance. The US will win 10 out of 10 fights with either the Pakistanis or Turks if it came down to that. Same with Russia, Russia nowadays could easily mop up the Turks or the Pakistanis if needed to.

I would not take Pakistani military for granted, Pakistan as a country is perhaps messy but Pak army is really heavyweight and respectable institution with properly educated officer core, strong armaments industry. Totally opposite of the country itself.

Turkish army is conventionally large but lacks experience in major conflict compared to Russians, Israelis and Iranians.

PA is mish mash, very good subgroups, but very top heavy when it comes to actual combined arms ops. Not bad QRF troops, but very very bad backbone. Also why would Russia fight Pakistan now? It will be solved with a phone call to Beijing and Shoigu and Shariff hitting some strip club in St Peter. Yes I said that.

Saudi Arabia failed to get the Pakistanis to bomb Yemen, I don't think they'd embark in a Sunni Shia crapola, while their grip on Afghanistan is stronger than ever and they might pull off the biggest Trifecta of them all aka U3 (UK/USSR/USA).

It's the Turks I don't trust, because it's plausible denial galore, US troops can participate to shot the Turks in the arm and you wouldn't know until you score a company kill. Which then can escalate etc etc etc.

OK i re-read my own post, I just answered in quicksilver mode.

Armenian, yeah khat does wonders.

FP: Pray to God Japan has never to fight alone, because once its navy is done for, the rest of the country is on full collapse mode. Nothing has changed in 70 years and it will stay that way, because Japan is an under-age teen in US custody. They have less fighting forces than ROK. So not really, Japanse training and dedication might help on some way, but we wouldn't be sure until the first rounds slam home. IME, half of the guys that are being shot at usually become less eager to get shot at again. For some the best solution is to fire back, for others just to go back.


Back to Yemen, G36E + Israeli Orlite helmet, munching khat, kicking Saudi ass. #JeSuisFlipFlop

Ladies and Gentlemen.

The Great Yemeni Ceasefire is oficially declared to be well, bullshit.

KoTeMoRe wrote:
FP: Pray to God Japan has never to fight alone, because once its navy is done for, the rest of the country is on full collapse mode. Nothing has changed in 70 years and it will stay that way, because Japan is an under-age teen in US custody. They have less fighting forces than ROK. So not really, Japanse training and dedication might help on some way, but we wouldn't be sure until the first rounds slam home. IME, half of the guys that are being shot at usually become less eager to get shot at again. For some the best solution is to fire back, for others just to go back.

Japan is a nation of 120 million people with completely dedicated, sacrificed oriented, extremely obedient population, it's a massive industrial power with full military capacity, ranging from nuclear technology to spacecrafts. They have nearly no US gear left in inventory, and what they have (aircraft) are local variants most of which are fairly improved version of US designs (from US own admittance).

All of that is in peace time.

The speed with which they could build a massive force with the JSDF as a backbone is numbered in months. It's made that way as strategic planning. From broad availability of local military tech to ship designed to be be quickly upgraded into carriers, etc...

Compare to that nearly all countries of Europe would have waaaayyy more problems to pull even a partial mobilization and arm said mobilization without heavily relying on the US.

And you're making sound "getting past the fleet" easy. They aim for something like at least 4 light carriers they've got 2x20kt 2x27kt (all of which are brand new), 8x10kt destroyers (I say destroyers but those are as big as Slava-class cruisers), 16x6kt destroyers, 20 submarines and a bunch of lighter ships. Again that's what they have... right now, in peace time.

Sure maybe they can't take the (future) PLA navy on 1vs1 but they sure can give them a run for their money.

Bidoul wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:
FP: Pray to God Japan has never to fight alone, because once its navy is done for, the rest of the country is on full collapse mode. Nothing has changed in 70 years and it will stay that way, because Japan is an under-age teen in US custody. They have less fighting forces than ROK. So not really, Japanse training and dedication might help on some way, but we wouldn't be sure until the first rounds slam home. IME, half of the guys that are being shot at usually become less eager to get shot at again. For some the best solution is to fire back, for others just to go back.

Japan is a nation of 120 million people with completely dedicated, sacrificed oriented, extremely obedient population, it's a massive industrial power with full military capacity, ranging from nuclear technology to spacecrafts. They have nearly no US gear left in inventory, and what they have (aircraft) are local variants most of which are fairly improved version of US designs (from US own admittance).

All of that is in peace time.

The speed with which they could build a massive force with the JSDF as a backbone is numbered in months. It's made that way as strategic planning. From broad availability of local military tech to ship designed to be be quickly upgraded into carriers, etc...

Compare to that nearly all countries of Europe would have waaaayyy more problems to pull even a partial mobilization and arm said mobilization without heavily relying on the US.

And you're making sound "getting past the fleet" easy. They aim for something like at least 4 light carriers they've got 2x20kt 2x27kt (all of which are brand new), 8x10kt destroyers (I say destroyers but those are as big as Slava-class cruisers), 16x6kt destroyers, 20 submarines and a bunch of lighter ships. Again that's what they have... right now, in peace time.

Sure maybe they can't take the (future) PLA navy on 1vs1 but they sure can give them a run for their money.

No, no, mon ami, their fleet is a full fledged regional beast. But strategically all you have to do to break japan is hit along Kyoto/Tokyo axis (half the population/ Half theindustrial and financial power). Japan is Israel on Steroids strategically. They got no depth.

Also Japan is overstretched economically when it comes to man power. It's an ageing nation that wouldn't risk open confrontation, that would bleed its fragile demographics. It's something very worrying for Japan.

Ballistic Missiles Fired at Saudi Arabia From Yemen

Two ballistic missiles were fired at Saudi Arabia from the territory of Yemen, local media reported Friday, citing the Arab coalition.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151218/1031960827/missiles-saudi-yemen-strike.html

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — According to Al Arabiya, one missile was intercepted in Yemeni airspace, while the other landed in the desert east of the Saudi Arabian city of Najran.

Flip-flops got more ballistic missiles than most armies have RPGs, what the hell does that magic potion/humanitarian aid contain???

All this Yemen spiel really reminds me of this scene from "Friends"... good times.





"Well I guess I'm going to Yemen!!!"

TheArmenian wrote:And now we have the AGS-17 in the hands of the flip-flop (with magic potion) bunch.

At 3:10, did those Yemeni nutjobs just invade their own invader in the middle of being invaded themselves?

Saudis are being royally screwed...

PapaDragon wrote:



All this Yemen spiel really reminds me of this scene from "Friends"... good times.





"Well I guess I'm going to Yemen!!!"

Hahaha, thanks for the laugh

PapaDragon wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:And now we have the AGS-17 in the hands of the flip-flop (with magic potion) bunch.

At 3:10, did those Yemeni nutjobs just invade their own invader in the middle of being invaded themselves?  

Saudis are being royally screwed...  

And the Houthi Honey Badgers blew it to (Saudi) Kingdom Come at 3:40

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 31 minutes ago
Pro Hadi forces claim to have captured #Houthi fighters, many of them child soldiers in Al-Jawf #Yemen

PapaDragon wrote:
Ballistic Missiles Fired at Saudi Arabia From Yemen

Two ballistic missiles were fired at Saudi Arabia from the territory of Yemen, local media reported Friday, citing the Arab coalition.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151218/1031960827/missiles-saudi-yemen-strike.html

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — According to Al Arabiya, one missile was intercepted in Yemeni airspace, while the other landed in the desert east of the Saudi Arabian city of Najran.

Flip-flops got more ballistic missiles than most armies have RPGs, what the hell does that magic potion/humanitarian aid contain???

Reportedly another Tochka massacre.....90+ killed

Houthis ballistic missile strike reportedly kills 90 Coalition fighters in southern Yemen

The Saudi-led Coalition Forces and the Hadi loyalists have reportedly suffered another devastating blow in the Mareb Governorate of southern Yemen, when a Toshka ballistic missile belonging to the Houthis struck their camp, killing an alleged 90+ fighters.

In addition to killing 90+ Hadi Loyalists and Saudi-Coalition fighters, the ballistic missile strike also destroyed two Apache Helicopters and destroyed an entire weapons depot.

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/houthis-ballistic-missile-strike-reportedly-kills-90-coalition-fighters-in-southern-yemen/

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Bidoul wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:
FP: Pray to God Japan has never to fight alone, because once its navy is done for, the rest of the country is on full collapse mode. Nothing has changed in 70 years and it will stay that way, because Japan is an under-age teen in US custody. They have less fighting forces than ROK. So not really, Japanse training and dedication might help on some way, but we wouldn't be sure until the first rounds slam home. IME, half of the guys that are being shot at usually become less eager to get shot at again. For some the best solution is to fire back, for others just to go back.

Japan is a nation of 120 million people with completely dedicated, sacrificed oriented, extremely obedient population, it's a massive industrial power with full military capacity, ranging from nuclear technology to spacecrafts. They have nearly no US gear left in inventory, and what they have (aircraft) are local variants most of which are fairly improved version of US designs (from US own admittance).

All of that is in peace time.

The speed with which they could build a massive force with the JSDF as a backbone is numbered in months. It's made that way as strategic planning. From broad availability of local military tech to ship designed to be be quickly upgraded into carriers, etc...

Compare to that nearly all countries of Europe would have waaaayyy more problems to pull even a partial mobilization and arm said mobilization without heavily relying on the US.

And you're making sound "getting past the fleet" easy. They aim for something like at least 4 light carriers they've got 2x20kt 2x27kt (all of which are brand new), 8x10kt destroyers (I say destroyers but those are as big as Slava-class cruisers), 16x6kt destroyers, 20 submarines and a bunch of lighter ships. Again that's what they have... right now, in peace time.

Sure maybe they can't take the (future) PLA navy on 1vs1 but they sure can give them a run for their money.

No, no, mon ami, their fleet is a full fledged regional beast. But strategically all you have to do to break japan is hit along Kyoto/Tokyo axis (half the population/ Half theindustrial and financial power). Japan is Israel on Steroids strategically. They got no depth.

Also Japan is overstretched economically when it comes to man power. It's an ageing nation that wouldn't risk open confrontation, that would bleed its fragile demographics. It's something very worrying for Japan.

Japan in many cases is worse of than Israel. Israel can at least fight by itself. Japan until a few years ago was completely dependent on the US for protection. Japan is still very dependent on US protection but less so with the recent trend of militarization. Either way, the Self Defense Force has not had any real combat experience at all, even though it is technically a "Self Defense Force" and not a full fledged army. The Japanese could not send their military on adventures even a few miles away from their shores without serious foreign support.

Cyberspec wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Ballistic Missiles Fired at Saudi Arabia From Yemen

Two ballistic missiles were fired at Saudi Arabia from the territory of Yemen, local media reported Friday, citing the Arab coalition.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151218/1031960827/missiles-saudi-yemen-strike.html

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — According to Al Arabiya, one missile was intercepted in Yemeni airspace, while the other landed in the desert east of the Saudi Arabian city of Najran.

Flip-flops got more ballistic missiles than most armies have RPGs, what the hell does that magic potion/humanitarian aid contain???

Reportedly another Tochka massacre.....90+ killed

Houthis ballistic missile strike reportedly kills 90 Coalition fighters in southern Yemen

The Saudi-led Coalition Forces and the Hadi loyalists have reportedly suffered another devastating blow in the Mareb Governorate of southern Yemen, when a Toshka ballistic missile belonging to the Houthis struck their camp, killing an alleged 90+ fighters.

In addition to killing 90+ Hadi Loyalists and Saudi-Coalition fighters, the ballistic missile strike also destroyed two Apache Helicopters and destroyed an entire weapons depot.

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/houthis-ballistic-missile-strike-reportedly-kills-90-coalition-fighters-in-southern-yemen/

Goodness, what is the Saudi death toll now?

Some bad news.
Pro saudi Collaborationists seize northwestern town of Harad and are advancing from the west.

Map:



Saada is Houthi stronghold.

Sauds have also amassing artillery
Supposedly Saudi National Guard here:

^^^Obviously the yemen's defence has collpased on the north front...

Fierce fighting in northern Yemen kills at least 75
Source: AP

By AHMED AL-HAJ

SANAA, Yemen (AP) — Fierce fighting and airstrikes by a Saudi-led coalition pounded northern Yemen on Saturday, as the two main parties in the country's conflict continued to violate a ceasefire agreement and undermine already tenuous peace talks in Switzerland.

The clashes in Hajjah Province near the Saudi border between rebel-allied units and pro-government Yemeni forces have killed more than 75 over the past three days, Yemeni security officials and witnesses said. The dead included more than 40 rebels and 35 government troops, with 50 wounded on the rebel side and dozens wounded on the government side. Dozens of tanks and armored vehicles were destroyed, according to the witnesses and security officials, who remain neutral in the conflict that has splintered the Arab world's poorest country.

The government troops advanced across the border from Saudi territory after training there for months, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity as they were not authorized to brief reporters.

Self explanatory

Houthi's overunning a thinly manned Saudi-Outpost?

MILDLY GRAPHIC! - Show's a dead Saudi.

Is Dima's infographic legit? I can't see how possibly a missile with 200kg warhead could destroy 2 Chinooks, 8 Apaches while also scoring several armored vehicles. They would have to be tightly parked next to each other and the missile would have to hit just the right place... possible with Iskander but not with a modified SA-2.