KoTeMoRe wrote: eehnie wrote: KoTeMoRe wrote: magnumcromagnon wrote: KoTeMoRe wrote: eehnie wrote: KoTeMoRe wrote:
sepheronx wrote:I read on 4chan /pol section that had a thread going on the Yemen conflict, and Saudi Arabia was claiming (or was claimed via wikipedia stats) that they only lost 20 M1A2 tanks. I know some called it out saying it is crap and I think it is too. They lost way more. But it is funny to see how Saudi Arabia, with being the second largest spender in USD terms on military and all on western equipment, is getting spanked real hard by rebels and Yemen army who were not as "well equipped" as Saudi's are.
20 are the tanks that need replacement, which means written off. The tanks hit and recovered are about twice that.
I do not think this number right. The Saudis are doing the same that the Ukranians, and surely the Turks will do the same too.
For me all them have the same credibility
From the Yemeni videos 20 tanks (M1A2's) is exactly what they have irremediably lost. Then you have a series of M60's, but those cannot get repairs or replacement, that's why they're getting NEW Abrams on top of those 20 replacements. Read the contract. We're talking about 80 MBT's with their ARV's.
Keep in mind not every Houthi will carry a camera with them...they have to prioritize on importance: food, khat, sandals, ammo, more khat, more sandals, more ammo, then a camera for propaganda!
Also were not even talking about total armor loss in all forms, really just MBT's here.
Actually its very simple.
They need 153 new tanks and 23 ARV's.
They cite 20 tanks are BFR. While also asking 133 tanks more. This is because they cannot replace M60's by M60's (there's almost no more stock of those). So the real losses of MBT are over 20, the losses of Abrams tanks are are pretty much dead on.
You put too much credit in the words of the Saudi government. I do not know why.
Obviously they, the Saudis, can not deny what is viewed by all, and this is why the exact number of their accepted loses is just the number of tanks that appear burning in public videos. But this is not true for sure. I do not think the Houtis have more cameras than the Novorussians, and see the difference between the Ukranian loses and the number of Ukranian tanks filmed burning.
Jesus, I don't put more confidence to their words, but to what they have demanded GDLS. They have demanded 20 BFR and 130+ more tanks. This means:
1. They haven't got their total strength in the area for the tank units engaged in Northern Yemen.
2. They don't want to keep the M60's to the Area as they are total liabilities.
3. Those M60 will be replaced by M1's anyway. This means both as in kind replacement and Orbat replacement.
I don't need to be paranoid about the KSA words, I know they've lost more tanks than 20, just all tanks weren't Abrams.
Also comparing Ukraine to Yemen is dumb. In Ukraine the Ugrainians lost a lot of tanks in mechanized warfare, including traktorist battalion from Mordor plowing the whole rear guard of Ugraine's finest and destroying more tanks in an afternoon than Yemenis have posted all year long. Unlike VSN, Yemen hasn't got a big brother over the border that can put tanks and bodies on the line.
I was not talking about tactics here, we are talking about the houthis supposedly being able to film every attack to the Abrams and being able to put the material in the worlds media, something that obviosly the Novorrussians were not able to do.
It is obvious that not all the tanks destroyed are Abrams, but if you pretend to say that all the hits to Abrams by the Houthis have been filmed and successfully put in the worlds media, you are wrong sorry.
The Abrams also fall, and in bigger numbers than what you said. The NATO standards are also in question.
Many people think the Houthis are a group of a few mountain inhabitants, but this war is reproducing the former North Yemen - South Yemen division, and the territory controled by the Houthis (shii) would be most of the former North Yemen. Note that today, the former North Yemen would have 20.341 million inhabitants, while the former South Yemen would have 4.186 inhabitants. This is why the houthis are not being defeated as easily. Saudi Arabia has 32.248 million inhabitants. For the Houthis is about survive, and Saudi Arabia has many people to kill to dominate them.