Project 955: Borei class SSBN

Viktor wrote:10 new nuclear reactors ordered for Borei and Yassen class  

Regional enterprises will supply 10 reactor units for "Boreas" and "Ash"

This is good news Viktor. Just one question. Will Borei & Yassen use the same nuclear reactor?

jhelb wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
I have not seen any reliable data regarding torpedoes hitting the vessels that have fired them. Do you have any reliable information regarding these kind of situations?

There were a number of instances of US and German torpedoes hitting the submarine that fired them. Of course the US & Germany did not disclose the full information.

Be that as it may be here is a list of "circular runs" of torpedos

http://www.subsowespac.org/the-patrol-zone/circular-torpedo-runs.shtml

Thanks, jhelb. I'll go through the document.

This is the first time a nuclear strategic asset(borei) will outnumber the tactical one(yasen), hence less escorts than the escorted. If this happens the russian boomer fleet will become more vulnerable and reduce the conventional attack capability.

A doomsday weapon SSBN is far less versatile and useful than an SSGN therefore having more boreis is a complete waste.

Actually a strategic weapon is a deterrent... if you don't have that theatre weapons become meaningless.

They can always make more SSGNs later but the priority is to ensure MAD... having 7 or 8 Yasens wont effect MAD.

GarryB wrote:Actually a strategic weapon is a deterrent... if you don't have that theatre weapons become meaningless.

They can always make more SSGNs later but the priority is to ensure MAD... having 7 or 8 Yasens wont effect MAD.

Given the anemic working shipyard capacity and building rate "later" will be too late.

MAD has already been achieved a long time ago. The US didn't go nuclear on russia in the 90s when it was practically a sitting duck and their's even less a chance now. Now the US is somewhere between farting and outright shitting in it's pants just by the existance of the Topol-M, Yars, and soon Sarmat. By the time all 8 boreis come out the americans will be constantly wearing diapers.

The SSBN fleet isn't russia's primary tool in it's triad anyway, so suddenly spending too much on it is gonna be useless. SSBNs are overrated anyway. They don't have an advantage over land based mobile ICBMs which have equal stealth and are much cheaper to boot, and neither have the geopolitical deterrence factor and muscle flexing versatility of strategic bombers. That is why IMHO Russia focusing on land based ICBMs and bombers is enough.

The only reason the US relies so much on SSBNs is because it's ICBM and nuclear bomber fleet are obsolete aging immobile cold war dinosaurs. Russia doesn't have this problem therefore as I said spending massive amounts on a large SSBN fleet is superfluous.  

Also having more MAD weapons is completely useless at countering NGO regime change, the principal threat Russia should be focusing on countering.

Meanwhile having more yasens will increase massively Russia's carrier killing capability, and if the US's carriers are sunk it's already lost the war. That way if the need arises Russia can defeat NATO without causing a nuclear holocaust.  Yasen's are also far less vulnerable to enemy subs and  can do far more types of missions(special force extraction, minelaying, etc.).

SSBN's are an insurance policy being the hardest to detect.

Russian ones don't need to sail far to launch their missiles

KomissarBojanchev wrote:
Meanwhile having more yasens will increase massively Russia's carrier killing capability, and if the US's carriers are sunk it's already lost the war. That way if the need arises Russia can defeat NATO without causing a nuclear holocaust.  Yasen's are also far less vulnerable to enemy subs and  can do far more types of missions(special force extraction, minelaying, etc.).

you just need better standoff weapons and surveillance systems to defeat carriers. updated rorsats and scramjet anti-ship missiles are just that and they are working on them atm. an oscar 2 should be plenty for such a role too- not to mention probably most suited, since it has the greatest missile capacity apart from SSBNs.

Cyberspec wrote:SSBN's are an insurance policy being the hardest to detect.

Russian ones don't need to sail far to launch their missiles

Russia is already insured for decades. Spending billions on a few more SSBNs won't change shit on the political decisions of the west. If only the funds allocated to the next 3 boreis were given to Rusnano and Roscosmos...

But alas, the russian leadership seams to have become infected with the "bomber gap" mental desease, the same which made americans waste billions of $$$ to counter an mythical threat of an imminent soviet nuclear bomber attack, but this time it involves the ABM shield(legitimate concern) and supposed US SSBN imminent first strike(baloney)...

Actually I would say the opposite... 8 Boreis were in the budget and while they are not cheap they will allow the retirement of rather less capable SSBNs.

GarryB wrote:Actually I would say the opposite... 8 Boreis were in the budget and while they are not cheap they will allow the retirement of rather less capable SSBNs.

What would've it been the problem with modernising the akulas to fire bulavas which would be much cheaper than building from scratch?

What would've it been the problem with modernising the akulas to fire bulavas which would be much cheaper than building from scratch?

Akulas carry 20 missiles as standard... even with just 5 warheads per missile that is 100 warheads per vessel... with the new start treaty limiting both sides to 1,200 warheads each that means 400 warheads per service... why have three salvagable old Akulas with 300 missiles and perhaps a single Delta IV class with 16 missiles with 8 warheads makes it 428 warheads for four subs... of two very different types that are old and are getting more expensive to maintian.

It makes rather more sense to spread your missiles across 8 boats... it means the west has to find and destroy more subs before they can launch their missiles.

what does that have to do with what I've said?

Having an SSBN fleet of new build Boreis will be cheaper to operate and man because they will all be very much alike... unlike a mixed fleet of Delta IVs Delta IIIs, and a couple of Boreis.

Only one Borei-class sub to be delivered to Pacific Fleet this year — source

Kamchatka on Track to Host Borey-Class Nuclear Subs by October

According to, Navy Adm. Viktor Chirkov, the infrastructure to base Russia’s Borey-class strategic nuclear submarines in Kamchatka will be ready by October.

ST. PETERSBURG (Sputnik) – The infrastructure to base Russia’s Borey-class strategic nuclear submarines in Kamchatka will be ready by October of this year, Navy Adm. Viktor Chirkov said Wednesday.

“The system for basing the Borey-class strategic submarines in Kamchatka is moving along according to schedule and the work will be completed by October 1 of this year,” Adm. Chirkov said.

The infrastructure will include recreation facilities for submariners, medical facilities, warehouses and a crane for missile embarkation, which is expected to be launched by October 1, Chirkov added.

As for now, three Borey-class submarines are built and another three are under construction. Eight Borey-class submarines are expected to enter into service by 2020 and become the primary nuclear force for the Russian Navy.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150701/1024079412.html#ixzz3edySdrat

Nice

Commander of the Russian Navy: construction of nuclear submarines "Northwind" and will continue after 2020

Alexander Nevsky strategic nuclear submarine not to launch Bulava missile this year

According to the General Staff source, the Alexander Nevky will arrive in Kamchatka in early September to join the Russian Pacific Fleet

MOSCOW, August 27. /TASS/. The Borei-class nuclear submarine Alexander Nevsky will not launch the Bulava intercontinental ballistic missile this year after arrival to the Pacific fleet, a source in the Russian Joint Staff told TASS on Thursday.

"The Alexander Nevsky will not carry out a combat training launch of Bulava on the range in the northwest of Russia this year," the source said.

A source in the General Staff of the Russian Navy earlier told TASS that the launch of Bulava from the Alexander Nevsky was planned this year from the Sea of Okhotsk on the range in the Arkhangelsk region.

The first nuclear ballistic missile submarine of the Borey class, the Alexander Nevsky, is due to arrive in Russia’s Pacific Fleet from the Northern Fleet in early September, a source in Russia’s General Staff told TASS on Thursday.

"In mid-August, the Alexander Nevsky started subglacial passage from the Northern Fleet to the Pacific Fleet for the permanent combat duty. It is expected to arrive in Kamchatka in the first week of September," the source said.

The submarine has a full allowance of ammunition — 16 Bulava intercontinental ballistic missiles.

After arriving in Kamchatka, in Russia’s Far East, the Alexander Nevsky will join the permanent readiness forces of the Pacific Fleet and will be part of the 25th division of submarines with the base in Vilyuchinsk.

The arrival of the Vladimir Monomakh of the Borey class was earlier postponed because the submarine would have no time to pass all trials and be loaded with missiles.

As of 9.7.15 K-550 is under the missile crane at Severomorsk



Maybe she gets her complement of Bulava missiles

A Stone's Throw Away From Alaska: Russian Sub en Route to Kamchatka Base

Russian Borei-class nuclear-powered ballistic submarine Alexander Nevsky is set to join the Russian Navy's Pacific Fleet in late September, a senior Navy representative said on Tuesday.

Heightened activity of Russia’s nuclear submarines around the world are due to the necessity to deter security threats aimed at Russia.

Alexander Nevsky, the first nuclear submarine of the Borei-class, started a subglacial passage in mid-August from the Northern Fleet to the Pacific Fleet for permanent combat duty.

It was expected to arrive at its base in the settlement of Rybachiy in Kamchatka during the first ten-day period of September.

However, its arrival was postponed due to complex weather and ice conditions and a number of other reasons.

Another Borei-class submarine, Vladimir Monomakh, is scheduled to arrive in Kamchatka late this year or early next, depending on weather, the official said.

Alexander Nevsky carries 16 Bulava intercontinental ballistic missiles with 6-10 nuclear warheads per missile and an effective range of over 5,000 miles.

Russia's first Borei-class submarine, Yury Dolgoruky, was inducted into the Northern Fleet in January 2013.

Russia plans to build eight Borei-class nuclear submarines by 2020.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150908/1026718994/russia-kamchatka-submarine.html#ixzz3l8ahsLk2

Russian Pacific Fleet Prepares For Arrival of New Missile Submarines FAS/Hans M. Kristensen

"Yury Dolgoruky" completed the first long voyage (over 2 months) under the ice of the Arctic
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2350725

The laying of the submarine "Emperor Alexander III" will be held on 18 December

MOSCOW, December 14 — RIA Novosti. Ceremony of the seventh nuclear submarine submarine "Emperor Alexander III" for the Navy of Russia will take place on 18 December in Severodvinsk, said the representative of the press service of the defense Ministry on the Navy Igor Dygalo.
Strategic nuclear submarine (project 955 Borey) Alexander Nevsky, archival photo
© Photo: courtesy of JSC "po Sevmash"
National Interest identified the most feared Russian submarine
"The solemn ceremony of the newest submarine project "Borey" "Emperor Alexander III" will take place at the JSC "Sevmash" in Severodvinsk on December 18. The ceremony will be attended by representatives of the Ministry of defence of the Russian Federation, the General command of the Navy, command of Northern fleet and white sea naval base, administration of the Arkhangelsk region and the city of Severodvinsk," — said Dygalo.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151214/1341722995.html#ixzz3uHfaA9DH

I wonder why Alexander III - what say feature of his rule was decisive so Borey will be named after him?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
I wonder why  Alexander III - what say feature of his rule was decisive so Borey will be named after him?

One of the best if not the best Russian rulers ever?

CDB "Rubin" is working on the modernization of the submarine project "Borey"

SEVERODVINSK, 18 Jul — RIA Novosti. CDB "ruby" is working on the modernization project of the nuclear submarine of strategic purpose "Northwind", similar research is conducted on the draft non-nuclear submarines "Lada", have informed on Friday to journalists the General Director of CDB "Rubin" Igor Vilinet.

"Today, when building the project "Borey-A", of course, the design office conducts relevant studies on the next series, we work closely with the research institutes of the Navy, and in accordance with the cycle of operation of ships planned this work," said Vilinet.
He added that by analogy with the modernization project "Borey" will be improved and non-nuclear submarines of project "Lada".
"Similarly, for non-nuclear fleet is now under-construction project "Lada", and the next a certain number of ships with improved properties will be based on, for example, the project "Lada", — said Vilinet.


РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151218/1344226132.html#ixzz3ugSw2lnU