Syrian Civil War: News #2

Ron Paul, as always, with a decent commentary...

https://youtu.be/rMEmmVAAyHk

ضربت حرة الجيش السوري تقسيم وحدة واحدة المتمردين تلة الجيب آل غار في اللاذقية
Free Syria Army 1st division unit hit the Syria Assad Jib al-Ghar hill in Latakia [HD Cam]
Published on Sep 13, 2015 [09.16.2015 14:46:39]

FSA 101st division rebel unit the Coastol division strike the SAA the hill Jib Al Ghar the Latakia region.

Hit the assad hard

Some interesting statistics: 82% see ISIL as the products of the U.S., 79% believe that foreign troops make things worse, and 79% don't believe that today's life is better than under Assad.

Recent UK research poll of ‪#‎Syria‬ covering all 14 governates:

- In Syria, just 21% prefer life now to what life was like under the full control of Bashar al Assad – 40% preferred life four years ago, 35% saying life is essentially the same.

- 81% say ISIL was created by the USA

- Assad has higher positives (47%) and lower negatives than either ISIL, Al Nusra, the "Syrian Opposition Coalition" or the West-backed FSA

- 70% of Syrians are against dividing up the country .

79 % prefer life under Assad .  40% say that explicitly, 21% say better now, 35% say no difference . 56% don't prefer life under Assad to now

Conclusion: After 4 years of civil and proxy war, the ‪#‎Assad‬ government still has a strong plurality of support of all the factions of the country, making it the only possible choice to rally the country around and defeat ‪#‎ISIS‬, as the ‪#‎Russian‬ government has obviously concluded.






http://www.opinion.co.uk/article.php?s=orbiiacss-poll-in-iraq-and-syria-gives-rare-insight-into-public-opinion



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/15/one-in-five-syrians-say-islamic-state-is-a-good-thing-poll-says/?postshare=9381442346331254



http://www.opinion.co.uk/perch/resources/syriadata.pdf

A certain son of a b**** claimed that Assad is the reason for the growth of ISIL.

http://www.rt.com/usa/315474-kirby-state-department-assad-isis/

The retired US Navy admiral, now speaking on behalf of the US foreign ministry, repeatedly blamed Syrian president Bashar al-Assad for the very existence of Islamic State terrorists. “He is the reason ISIL, and other terrorist groups, have been allowed to fester and grow and sustain themselves inside Syria,” Kirby said. “Assad regime has allowed groups like ISIL to fester and grow inside the country.”

What I don't understand is how that SOB can be appointed as spokeman of U.S. State Department.

free shitty army isn't fighting IS anywhere.

iraqidabab wrote:free shitty army isn't fighting IS anywhere.

Of course not, usually suicide isn't committed so why kill themselfs off?

FSA =ISIS, US just invented ISIS to justify bombings, hard to justify bombing of Assad since russia and china made that pretty clear, hard to justify bombing of FSA which they claimed are all just civilians that were facing mass murder from assad and wanted free democracy and no tyranny, so invent another terror group and pretend you are fighting them while you target Syrian military to pave the way for FSA terrorists.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:1. Who is fighting IS in Aleppo countryside? Orcs and dwarves? Or maybe Harry Potter?
2. How is US military targetting Assad? Are they bombing the Syrian Army? If yes, why don't Syrians complain that the coalition si bombing them?
3. Who bombarded IS in Kobane? God the Almighty? If the airstrikes were fake, why didn't the Kurds complain about that?

First of all, you can't say that Us created ISIS because there is no proper "ISIS" per se. Core ISIS is maybe 10,000 fighters, it's military leadership is made of ex-Baathists and the rest are simply tribal and neo-Ba'athist militias.And it's a group with one of the most diverse funding sources on the planet, so it's nor easily controllable. FSA, Ahrar and other rebel factions will not fart without permission of their sponsors because they have one source of income and weapons.

Yes i can fucking say that ISIS is created by US the fucking US had to admitt it.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad

If you are such a guilable fool that believes US creating terror groups to overthrow governments but then bombing their own created and till this very day funded terror groups you are only shitting yourself and no one else.

Yes they are targeting Syrian military, whereever they little subhuman mercenaries on the ground can't win, they bomb. The only bombing against ISIS the US has done are propaganda footage of lonely, toyota pickup trucks in nowhere, with no human lifes visible around it. Propaganda war nothing else.

FSA,ISIS,AL-CIAda all created by US for their little dirty work, no denying there that is simple fact and proven always and repeatedly by US GOVERNMENT sources!

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:1. Who is fighting IS in Aleppo countryside? Orcs and dwarves? Or maybe Harry Potter?
2. How is US military targetting Assad? Are they bombing the Syrian Army? If yes, why don't Syrians complain that the coalition si bombing them?
3. Who bombarded IS in Kobane? God the Almighty? If the airstrikes were fake, why didn't the Kurds complain about that?

The massacre at Kobane and other destruction caused by IS is so blalant and so visible and the U.S. would have lost all the prestige if they hadnt done anything.

Of course they have to do some sort of airstrike etc etc to show the world that they are fighting against terrorists. But fact is fact that ISIL toghether with Al Qaeda and Taliban are the products of U.S. intervention against their politicial adversaries.

Only ‘4 or 5’ US-Trained Syrians Are Still in the Fight Against ISIS



It’s far from the 15,000 envisioned over three years, U.S. Central Command commander Gen. Austin conceded to lawmakers.

BREAKING: Defense officials tell NBC News that US special ops. forces are on ground in Syria assisting Kurdish forces in fight against ISIS

https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/644171963884261377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Zerohedge...

Right...

Werewolf wrote:es they are targeting Syrian military, whereever they little subhuman mercenaries on the ground can't win, they bomb.

Answer my question - if the coalition is bombing Assad, why Assad never, NOT EVEN ONCE, complained about that? Showing that the campaign is not really against ISIS but against him would cause a political scandal so big that Watergate is a petty affair compared to that. IF US bombed Assad, Assad would have absolutely no reason to hide that. Everyone would gain by exposing it - Assad hismelf and all his allies - Iran, Russia, China. Everyone of them woud work days and nights to expose that. Your claim that Assad is bombed from the air but somehow stays silent about it and all his allies stay silent about is as well is so ridiculous that it ain't befitting for a sane human.

Only a completely insane person will believe that US presence in and around Syria and the region is to fight the ISIL. I had already covered the insane point you raised in another thread and posting it below....

1) Russian Govt finally decided to bolster its military presence in Syria (if it had not already decided/planned) could be due to the fact that US has started/have been targeting the Syrian military in the guise of action against their own creation called ISIL. This would have known to the Russian & Syrian govts but were not made public so as not to give a moral boost to the international terrorists fighting the Syrian Govt.  


Only a totally insane person will ever believe that US is there to fight the IS. Their main aim is to oust an elected Syrian President and everything else is secondary. If their primary aim was to fight IS, they would have long accepted Russian stand to fight IS and helped Syrian army.

And believe it or not, Syrian Army have been loosing ground to the international terrorists in many regions since the US started its campaign against IS.

max steel wrote:

BREAKING: Defense officials tell NBC News that US special ops. forces are on ground in Syria assisting Kurdish forces in fight against ISIS

https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/644171963884261377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Pray that God have mercy on the PKK and make it strong.
Russia also needs to balance the act with Iraq and Iran and start arming the Kurdish fighters with modern weapons including Iglas and howitzers. $cuk the possible nay sayers like Turkey.

higurashihougi wrote:The retired US Navy admiral, now speaking on behalf of the US foreign ministry, repeatedly blamed Syrian president Bashar al-Assad for the very existence of Islamic State terrorists. “He is the reason ISIL, and other terrorist groups, have been allowed to fester and grow and sustain themselves inside Syria,” Kirby said. “Assad regime has allowed groups like ISIL to fester and grow inside the country.”

Er yeah, nevermind that DIA report saying US & Ally policy would lead to Salafist principality between Syria and Iraq.  Assad did it!

Here's an interesting story from US (interviewing RU Amb to UN Churkin), although it kind of falls under "Everybody knows this anyways."
U.S. doesn't really want Assad to fall, Russian ambassador claims

Anyways, realizing this clearly means the US' PR "Russia backing for Assad is extending this bloody war." is empty BS.
Powers' crazy talk flies in the face of the recent polls, the % living in government territory, the mass popular elections incl. refugees in Lebanon etc
"[RU] not take account of the views of the vast majority of the Syrian people that want to go in a different direction [against Assad]"
Of course, Assad is not most Syrian's #1 ideal, but the point is a large majority still support the secular Syrian state.

And for all the talk of Assad's political repression (oh wait, who sent him those torture victims?) the US doesn't really care about political opposition.
It only backs "armed rebels/jihadis" ignoring the non-violent political opposition who de facto ended up supporting the government side of war.
(just like Britains who disliked Churchill still supported Britain against Nazi Germany, i.e. normal situation for any country in war)
That's why the talk of political solution with armed opposition is nuts, because those factions DON'T command a large % of popular support.

To consider a future democratic Syria, the non-violent opposition who supports secular Syrian state will need to participate.
The violent opposition's support is so small (as well as being fractured amongst itself) that it ISN'T NEEDED for a democratic mandate.
So the talk of political solution with "armed rebels" is not about democracy, but imposing diktat of foreign sponsors of "rebels" (US/UK/FR,SA,QA,Turkey)
And the casualty figures indicate that ~2/3 of "armed rebels" are now foreign, showing the Syrian jihadi faction is that much smaller/weaker.

Then the idea that US is still trying to claim some "moderate" rebels, ultra focusing on ISIS, as if "real" Al-Qaeda/Nusra is not a problem.
Or Ahrar al-Sham also linked to Al-Qaeda.  By the US' own standards of "supporting terrorism" ala persecutions of Palestianians donating to Palestine,
all those groups CERTAINLY would count as terrorist affiliated, and of course they all push similar extremist sectarian perspectives.

Oh, incidentally here is another very good article:
U.S. training helped mold top Islamic State military commander
Highlighting how the US was happy to cooperate with Chechen terrorists who had fought in Russia, i.e. "it's not terrorism when you kill THEM".

Cuz cooperating with the US means you are less radical.

The Chechen story is illuminating on FSA, these guys think their ISIS buddy is a "good muslim"
and their whole problem with ISIS was that it attacked other groups not respecting personal bonds.
If "their friend" lead ISIS and didn't attack them, then they would have no problem with it.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:And I think it's time to stop with these boring moral tirades. It's easy to say "oh, they support the tyrant X" or "oh, they support the group X that does Y" etc. sitting in front of a computer and drinking beer. Put yourselves in the shoes of people responsible for US foreign policy who have to navigate the complex world of geopolitics and make decisions that can affect their country for decades to come - and the entire thing will not look as simple anymore.

You should have told them before meddling in someone else's affair forcefully .

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter - so don't be too quick to call them terrorists.

Thank you.  I get so sick of those attacking Saudia Arabia for backing 9/11.  They are the real patriots. /sarcasm

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:And I think it's time to stop with these boring moral tirades. It's easy to say "oh, they support the tyrant X" or "oh, they support the group X that does Y" etc. sitting in front of a computer and drinking beer. Put yourselves in the shoes of people responsible for US foreign policy who have to navigate the complex world of geopolitics and make decisions that can affect their country for decades to come - and the entire thing will not look as simple anymore.

Ohh yes i will have much more understanding for the US foreign policy makers like Breninzky, such a Philantrop is just a good guy, that poor soul was just placed in his decision making position for the greater good, lets forget everything evil that cunt has made because he does that for good cause right?

You are truelly disgusting person by the meaning a subhuman to be precise. It isn't the first time you come up with this kind of anti human behavior and thoughts.

You prefer germany being occupied, killed, enslaved and ethnically genocided by US politics and its nuclear precense, its drive for suicide against russia. You like germany being what it is, you called several times this Orenburg subhuman of yours a great soldier who massacred african tribes and now you fully justify americunt foreign genocide policy with their spread and invention of terrorism to achieve their goals by proxy mercs, that is truelly a disgusting subhuman behavior. Wouldn't cry a tear if you get red by your beloved just americunts.