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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:19 am

    Foreign view on the Russian military transport potential

    Since the end of 2015, Russia has conducted a number of expedition operations in Syria, relying on the aging military transport aviation and marine platforms. If you fail to correct previous failed attempts to replace them, the country risks losing the opportunity to conduct such operations for the next ten years, says Tom Waldwin of the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) in the article "Russian military lift risks atrophy".

    The current Russian military transport equipment is only a fraction of the one that was in service with the Soviet Union at the time of the end of the Cold War (aviation was 1/5, sea was a quarter from the fleet of the early 1990s). Moreover, the Russian Armed Forces rely on aircraft and ships designed and built during the Soviet period, most of which are approaching the end of their service life.



    Military Transport Aviation

    Russian capabilities in the sphere of heavy air cargo transportation are based on three types of aircraft: An-22 Antey, Il-76 and An-124 Ruslan. The An-22 made its first flight in 1965, the Il-76 in 1971, and the An-124 in 1982. By the end of the Soviet era, the projects of creating a new generation of military transport aircraft were considered, but with the collapse of the USSR they were collapsed.

    The Antonov aircraft plant is located in Ukraine, and the military-technical cooperation between Moscow and Kiev abruptly ended with the accession of Crimea to Russia in 2014. In late 2013, the countries discussed the issue of the resumption of production of An-124. Only a small part of the An-22 aircraft remains flight-tolerant, and efforts are being made to extend their service life to 2020.

    Much more numerous is the fleet of Il-76 aircraft, which serve as the "workhorses" of Russian VCS. The aircraft was at the center of modernization efforts, but the results remain modest. Since 2002, two Il-76MD aircraft have been upgraded to the Il-76MD-90 version, and the original D-30 turbofan engines have been replaced by PS-90A. Updates also touched on on-board radio electronic equipment. Nevertheless, this project is also in a state of uncertainty.

    At the end of 2006, Russia decided to move the Il-76 production from Tashkent to the Aviastar plant in Ulyanovsk and began developing a much improved version called Il-76MD-90A. It will be a new aircraft, and not just a modernization of the existing design. The first flight tests of the prototype were carried out in September 2012. The following month, Aviastar received a contract worth 139.4 billion rubles for the construction of 39 Il-76MD-90A aircraft with a delivery period between 2014 and 2020. As of mid-2017, only three of the 39 aircraft were transferred.

    At the end of 2012, the Russian Ministry of Defense issued PJSC "Aviation Complex named after. S.V. Ilyushin "contract worth 3.4 billion rubles for the modernization of IL-76MD according to the IL-76MD-M standard. This project included the modernization of avionics to the level of IL-76MD-90A, but did not imply the replacement of the D-30 engine. The goal was to extend the life of the aircraft for another 15 years. Today, this project is behind schedule.

    With a long-term vision, Moscow once again began to consider the possibility of improving its military transport fleet in the framework of the "Advanced Aviation Transport Aviation Complex" (PAC TA) project. Ilyushin seems to have returned to the developments of the 1980s and early 1990s on the Il-106 project, but it is still difficult to judge the pace and progress in this work. The company is also working on the light turboprop Il-112 transport aircraft, as well as the IL-214 turbofan military transport aircraft. The first is designed to replace the An-26, and the second - An-12.



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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:54 am

    AN-22s use the same engines as Tu-95/142 (they'll fly till 2040!), why not restart their production? They can lift 80T, 3T more than C-17s! If Antonov objects, they should 1st pay back $100M invested by RF in the  joint AN-70 project. http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/an_22.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95
    http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/tu95bear/
    http://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104523/c-17-globemaster-iii/
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:32 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:AN-22s use the same engines as Tu-95/142 (they'll fly till 2040!), why not restart their production? They can lift 80T, 3T more than C-17s! If Antonov objects, they should 1st pay back $100M invested by RF in the  joint AN-70 project. http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/an_22.htm  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95
    http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/tu95bear/
    http://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104523/c-17-globemaster-iii/

    Nothing with name "Antonov" will be produced ever again

    Not in the Ukraine and most certainly not in Russia
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    Post  Project Canada on Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:31 am

    So it seems Russian aviation industry has more success churning up new fighter aircrafts than transports. Maybe they can enlarge the Ulyanovsk plant to increase production capacity..
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:42 am

    Honestly they need newer fighters more than they need newer transport aircraft.

    They currently have plenty of transport planes... though a lot of them do need replacement in the near future, because of their foreign origins.

    There are alternatives in progress to replace most of them right now and are either on schedule or soon to be running on schedule...


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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:49 am

    Not just that, but a lot of the transport planes aren't as old as you may think. Not as an urgency now.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:39 pm


    Does anyone know if they have any grounded An-124 that can be overhauled and brought back into service? If yes then how many?

    I remember one getting the treatment recently after being in storage for decade or more and was basically good as new.

    If they manage to repeat this 10 times they will be set until PAK-TA is in the game.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  franco on Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:48 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Does anyone know if they have any grounded An-124 that can be overhauled and brought back into service? If yes then how many?

    I remember one getting the treatment recently after being in storage for decade or more and was basically good as new.

    If they manage to repeat this 10 times they will be set until PAK-TA is in the game.

    There were plans to upgrade 20 to An-124-100 standards but then the Ukrainians cut off parts. Not sure what the plans are now.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:06 pm

    franco wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Does anyone know if they have any grounded An-124 that can be overhauled and brought back into service? If yes then how many?

    I remember one getting the treatment recently after being in storage for decade or more and was basically good as new.

    If they manage to repeat this 10 times they will be set until PAK-TA is in the game.

    There were plans to upgrade 20 to An-124-100 standards but then the Ukrainians cut off parts. Not sure what the plans are now.

    That's the thing, this one was delivered this winter. So they could be moving forward on their own.

    It would make perfect sense.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:49 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Nothing with name "Antonov" will be produced ever again
    Not in the Ukraine and most certainly not in Russia
    Wrong, 12 AN-178s in Ukraine + 40 of them in PRC will be produced. 30 AN-178s for, & many AN-132s in, Saudi Arabia. It seems that you are not reading prev. posts!
    http://www.aviationanalysis.net/2015/05/an-178-to-be-license-built-in-china.html https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2015/12/19/antonov-an-178/
    http://quwa.org/2015/12/25/keep-an-eye-on-the-antonov-an-178/
    http://airheadsfly.com/2015/05/09/saudia-arabia-will-build-its-own-an-132-aircraft/
    http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newsantonov-and-aqnia-aeronautics-sign-mou-to-deliver-30-an178s-to-rsaf-4759152
    As of AN-22s, if needed, as a stop gap they could be produced under a different name/designation.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  Kimppis on Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:02 pm

    Production is picking up now, right? And that graph is misleading. Before 2008-12 most of those assets existed only on paper, more or less. I'm not sure, but I'd imagine that was partially the case even during the Soviet era, i.e. they didn't actually have 5 times the capability, more something like 3x. The overall readiness of the Russian military has obviously never been this good, certainly not since the collapse the USSR (of course it's quite a bit smaller), and I don't think their transport aircraft fleet is an exception. Does any country even have anywhere near as many Il-76-class aircraft in service, except the US of course? No...? China will of course also get there within the next 10 years.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:46 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Nothing with name "Antonov" will be produced ever again
    Not in the Ukraine and most certainly not in Russia
    Wrong, 12 AN-178s in Ukraine + 40 of them in PRC will be produced. 30 AN-178s for, & many AN-132s in, Saudi Arabia. It seems that you are not reading prev. posts!  
    http://www.aviationanalysis.net/2015/05/an-178-to-be-license-built-in-china.html https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2015/12/19/antonov-an-178/
    http://quwa.org/2015/12/25/keep-an-eye-on-the-antonov-an-178/
    http://airheadsfly.com/2015/05/09/saudia-arabia-will-build-its-own-an-132-aircraft/
    http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newsantonov-and-aqnia-aeronautics-sign-mou-to-deliver-30-an178s-to-rsaf-4759152
    As of AN-22s, if needed, as a stop gap they could be produced under a different name/designation.    

    your knowledge on history is lacking. Even recent history. Most An contracts end up falling through. Also, antanov isn't a company anymore.

    Ill see it to believe it. Those antanovs won't be made in Ukraine either. But I doubt they will be built at all.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:03 pm

    Most, if not all of those cancelled/failed contracts were with Russia- I would like to see your references to prove otherwise. Other countries need them regardless of the past history. Even under a different name & management the designers & producers are going to be the same.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:24 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Most, if not all of those cancelled/failed contracts were with Russia- I would like to see your references to prove otherwise. Other countries need them regardless of the past history. Even under a different name & management the designers & producers are going to be the same.

    you are aware that if it is local built, at most, a few individuals are sent abroad to help produce it. See T-80 story and the Al Khalid tank program. Or nearly everything else sold by Ukraine in the grand fire sale.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:48 pm

    I mean also those aircraft & their kits produced in Ukraine. Recall AN-24/12 & Y-7/8, TU-16 & H-6, MiG-19/21 & J-6/7, IL-28 & H-5, Su-27/33 &
    J-11/15/16. All of them were sold 1st & then produced "with Chinese characteristics" in PRC:  
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_Y-7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaanxi_Y-8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_H-6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-6
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-28
    http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/shenyang-j11-multirole-fighter-aircraft-china/  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-15
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-16
    If they could reverse engineer/modify & produce  them, surely the Russians could do it with AN-22 as well!
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:06 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:I mean also those aircraft & their kits produced in Ukraine. Recall AN-24/12 & Y-7/8, TU-16 & H-6, MiG-19/21 & J-6/7, IL-28 & H-5, Su-27/33 &
    J-11/15/16. All of them were sold 1st & then produced "with Chinese characteristics" in PRC:  
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_Y-7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaanxi_Y-8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_H-6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-6
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-28
    http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/shenyang-j11-multirole-fighter-aircraft-china/  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-15
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-16
    If they could reverse engineer/modify & produce  them, surely the Russians could do it with AN-22 as well!

    But they don't want to. Same goes for all its systems they are replacing. They will replace it with their own systems with ones they built and not bothered to reverse engineer cause even reversed engineered stuff as you may have noticed ended up problematic.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:12 am

    How do you know what they want or don't want? Pl. be more specific when replying. The Chinese modified/redesigned/modernized Soviet planes & put them in production. USSR copied B-29 as Tu-4. http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/shortstories/russianclone.htm
    Then they built Tu-85/95/142/114/126. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-85
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-114
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-126
    The same with DC-3 & Li-2:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-3
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisunov_Li-2, leading to IL-14 & Y-6
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-14
    Time will tell if modernized AN-22 (or its follow-on under some other name) will be built again, but it's not impossible, by any means.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:10 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:.....
    Time will tell if modernized AN-22 (or its follow-on under some other name) will be built again, but it's not impossible, by any means.

    Time already told it when they replaced An-22 with An-124 and are about to replace An-124 with PAK-TA.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:57 am

    They weren't completely replaced, at least 5 AN-22s are still active.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-22#Military
    The remaining An-22s appear to be operated by an independent military transport aviation squadron at Migalovo. http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Antonov_An-22
    AN-124 won't be produced any time soon. Although unlikely, it's still possible that AN-22 line can be restarted. PAK-TA is at least 10-15 years away from replacing/substituting the AN-124!
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:02 am

    The cases of actual copying are very rare and usually because of time constraints... ala Mistral.

    They wanted a helicopter carrier fast... they could have taken 10-15 years and designed their own from scratch and accepted the first model might not be the best but the second and third model would be good based on experience with the first... or they could have done what they did and bought the Mistral off the shelf and got them in a couple of years.

    Obviously they didn't expect the French to be assholes, but in the end they got an intimate look at the complete design, they got to built part of each carrier, and now they can sell bits to the Egyptians, and they got all their money back... they didn't get the carriers they wanted but they hardly lost...

    The DC-3 was not a copy... it was licence production.

    And the An-22 is dead in Russian service... the Il-106 was to replace it, but their new transport family will have a light two engine member for that role... a four engine model for the An-124 role and a six engine model for the An-225 role.

    The B-29s were handed to them... they already had four engined bombers but needed a new modern model quickly so it was deemed easier to just copy and then develop from that.

    other copies like :

    The Sidewinder was totally different from previous Soviet missiles... it was simple and basic, which were virtues, not drawbacks. They were modular. Nose tip was the seeker, then front control surfaces, then guidance and brain, then warhead, then the rear was rocket motor. They copied because it was quicker to simply copy than to wait for the designs of brand new missiles were developed to take advantage of the new design paradigm.

    The Buran copied the shape of the US space shuttle because NASA had already spend billions testing all sorts of shapes and that was found to be the best... why waste time and money retesting?

    The Buran itself was actually fundamentally different from the US space shuttle.

    In design terms the US space shuttle was like a C-130 herc with an enormous external fuel tank and two huge solid rocket boosters to get it airborne. In comparison the Buran was a glider that sat on the back of the rocket that got it airborne.

    The advantage of the Soviet system was that if you were building a space station you could take the 120 tons of Buran off the back of the energyia rocket and replace it with whole parts of a space station at 120 ton loads, while the space shuttle could carry 10 ton payloads it also carried ten tons of rocket engines into space and back as dead weight.

    Other than that the claims of copying are amusing... the claim the Tu-160 is a copy of the B-1A, well there are designs showing all sorts of layouts from the Concorde and other aircraft of that period that suggest they came up with a similar shape for the solution to similar problems.

    The claim the MiG-29 is a copy of the F-18 and the Su-27 is a copy of the F-15 is amusing when the F-15 is actually a copy of the MiG-25.

    There is clear influence of the AT-4 and AT-5 from the Milan and HOT missiles.

    But then the new western IFVs seem more influenced by the BMP than anything else.

    Also the switch to smoothbore main tank guns seems to be a case of copying. Western countries didn't really embrace assault rifle concept till after they saw the AK being widely deployed.

    The An-22 wont go back into production... it would make more sense to make more An-124s if that was even an option... An-22s have not been produced in quite a while... unlike the An-124.

    AFAIK they have a few AN-124s in reserve that could be put back into service with an upgrade/overhaul.

    With the upgrade of the armour of the Army over the next few years they will need an upgraded air transport system... I would suspect that will be starting soon.


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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  eehnie on Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:09 am

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country.htm

    The analysis of the results of the scrapping process in the first half of 2017, detailed in the references 17.0001 to 17.0049 plus 17.0071 to 17.0072, gives the following results:

    In the refered to non-combat auxiliary aircrafts and helicopters, there is not material from scrapping activity, but it has been the offer of some stored engines to auction:

    Mi-6/10: 22 engines Mi-10 variant
    Tu-134: 3 engines

    This situation agrees with the real situation of the Russian auxiliary air fleet. At this point the scrapping process of the totally decommissioned aircrafts and helicopters seems finnished, while the worst units of the aircrafts and helicopters that are still in active service and/or in the reserve seem to be used as spare parts, like must be done. Today there is not an important process of decommission and scrapping of aircrafts or helicopters of the Russian auxiliary air fleet.

    I tend to think that the first auxiliary aircraft or helicopter that can have this kind of process of complete decommission is the L-39, that can go to Syria.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:03 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    The DC-3 was not a copy... it was licence production.
    And the An-22 is dead in Russian service... the Il-106 was to replace it, but their new transport family will have a light two engine member for that role... a four engine model for the An-124 role and a six engine model for the An-225 role. ..The B-29s were handed to them... they already had four engined bombers but needed a new modern model quickly so it was deemed easier to just copy and then develop from that. ..the F-15 is actually a copy of the MiG-25. ..The An-22 wont go back into production... it would make more sense to make more An-124s if that was even an option... An-22s have not been produced in quite a while... unlike the An-124. AFAIK they have a few AN-124s in reserve that could be put back into service with an upgrade/overhaul.
    I meant: Li-2 was a copy of DC-3. 4 engine IL-106 is to replace the IL-76, not directly replace AN-22 &/AN-124, as its max payload is less. B-29s had emergency landings in the RFE while USSR was neutral vs. Japan & and interned there. F-15 was influenced by MiG-25, not copied from it. Their roles are different & Belenko defected in 1975, well after the F-15 design started. Neither AN-22s nor AN-124s were ever produced in what is now Russia- both were made in what is now Ukraine; any new Russian made AN-124 will also need to have different engines (not Ukrainian made) that may or may not work well- for the above reasons, that's why they want to produce IL-106s- but the AN-22 uses the same engines as TU-95/142. They are not dead yet, & there are probably still several that could be put in flight status. IMO, it would be less risky & quicker to produce more of them, some as amphibians, then wait > a decade (if not longer) for the new IL-76 (that they can't afford now in sufficient numbers, see prev. page), IL-106s & AN-124s.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:27 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:............... Neither AN-22s nor AN-124s were ever produced in what is now Russia- both were made in what is now Ukraine; any new Russian made AN-124 will also need to have different engines (not Ukrainian made)............  

    Neither they plan to produce any.

    They have old An-124 that they can overhaul and bring back into service and after that PAK-TA is taking over.

    I honestly have no idea why are you so insistent on using obsolete platforms like An-22. It's a beautiful aircraft but it's time has passed. They should be in the museums.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:............... Neither AN-22s nor AN-124s were ever produced in what is now Russia- both were made in what is now Ukraine; any new Russian made AN-124 will also need to have different engines (not Ukrainian made)............  

    Neither they plan to produce any.
    They have old An-124 that they can overhaul and bring back into service and after that PAK-TA is taking over.
    I honestly have no idea why are you so insistent on using obsolete platforms like An-22. It's a beautiful aircraft but it's time has passed. They should be in the museums.
    So should many C-130s, yet they are still being flown by many AFs & firefighters! https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-130.htm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-130_Hercules#Operators
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/02/us/south-dakota-air-tanker-crash/index.html http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/35851622/16-dead-in-marine-c-130-crash-in-mississippi
    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/07/01/indonesia-c130-crash-death-toll-at-141-as-search-effort-ends.html
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/engine-failure-impact-eyed-after-deadly-afghanistan-c-130-crash-n437731
    The AN-22 isn't so obsolete- it surpasses IL-476 & C-17; even now many AFs don't have anything to lift 80T or even 50T with 1 plane. True, it hasn't been produced for a long time but there are now C-130Js, IL-476s, IL-96s, B-737-7/8/9s, H-6Ks, B-52Hs- all based on earlier models.
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    Re: Russian Transport Aircraft fleet (VTA)

    Post  eehnie on Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:38 pm

    If Russia has as low production of transport aircrafts and helicopters is because Russia needs not more.

    Russia is using the auxiliary air fleet inherited from the Soviet Union as must be done. A good number of the exhausted aircrafts in active service are being replaced still today by non-exhausted aircrafts of the same type that have been years in the reserve and must be used first until to be also exhausted.

    The replacement with new aircrafts and helicopters will be done when needed only with new and modern aircrafts and helicopters of the demanded/succesful cathegories. And will not be done with aircrafts and helicopters of the unsuccessful/obsolete cathegories.


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