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    nemrod
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    Wikipedia as Propaganda Not History

    Post  nemrod on Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:07 am

    This is what I remarked from Wikipedia too.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/wikipedia-propaganda-not-history-mh17-example/ri8632




    Wikipedia as Propaganda Not History — MH17 as an Example

    Wikipedia articles are more propaganda than they are historical accounts. And, often, their cited sources are misleading, or even false

    On 15 August 2007, the BBC headlined “Wikipedia Shows CIA Page Edits,” and Jonathan Fildes reported that, “An online tool that claims to reveal the identity of organizations that edit Wikipedia pages has revealed that the CIA was involved in editing entries.” I.e.: What the CIA doesn’t like, they can (and do) eliminate or change.

    More recently, on 25 June 2015, an anonymous reddit poster, “moose,” listed and linked directly to 18 different news reports, in such media as New York Times, Washington Post, Telegraph, Mirror, Guardian, and Newsweek, reporting about wikipedia edits that were supplied not only by the CIA but by other U.S. Government offices, and by large corporations.

    That person opened with a news report which implicated Wikipedia itself, “Wikipedia honcho caught in scandal quits, defends paid edits,” in which Wikipedia’s own corruption was discussed.

    Most of the other news reports there concerned unpaid edits by employees at CIA, congressional and British parliamentary offices, the DCRI (French equivalent of the U.S. CIA), large corporations, self-interested individuals, and others.

    One article even concerned a report that, “All-Russia State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company (VGTRK) changed a Russian language version of a page listing civil aviation accidents to say that ‘The plane [flight MH17] was shot down by Ukrainian soldiers’.”

    Basically, wikipedia has been revealed to be a river of ‘information’ that’s polluted by so many self-interested sources as to be no more reliable than, say: “New York Times, Washington Post, Telegraph, Mirror, Guardian, and Newsweek.”

    And that’s not reliable at all. For example, everybody knew in 2002 and 2003 that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling WMD “Weapons of Mass Destruction,” because they had read it in such ‘news’ sources as that. Consequently, even when wikipedia links to those sorts of articles, it can be propagating lies.

    After all, The New York Times and Washington Post were stenographically ‘reporting’ the lies from the White House as if those lies were truths (not challenging them at all); so, the fame of a publisher has nothing to do with the honesty (the integrity and carefulness) of its ‘news’ reporting.

    Stenographic ‘news’ reporting isn’t news-reporting; it is propaganda, no matter how famous and respected the ‘news’ medium happens (unfortunately) to be. Some of the most unreliable ‘news’ media have top prestige.

    THE MALAYSIAN AIRLINER OVER UKRAINE

    As an example: wikipedia’s English-language article about the 17 July 2014 shoot-down of the MH17 Malaysian airliner is a shameless propaganda-piece by the U.S. Government and its agents. Its (at present) 320 footnote-sources don’t include any of the many reports (virtually all in the foreign press) that present evidence the Ukrainian government shot down this airliner.

    Among the important issues that aren’t even raised, are: why was the Ukrainian government given veto-power over any final report which will be issued by the official four-nation MH17 investigating team: Netherlands, Belgium, Australia, and Ukraine? Why was Ukraine even included in this team to investigate a crime in which one of the two main suspects is the Ukrainian government itself?

    Why was the presence of 30mm bullet-holes in the side-panel next to the pilot not mentioned in this lengthy wikipedia article? (If this plane had been brought down by only a missile, such as wikipedia assumes, there wouldn’t be any bullet-holes — much less, hundreds of them, as there are.)

    Why was the first analysis of that side-panel — which is the best and most reliable piece of evidence that exists about how this disaster actually happened — ignored altogether in the wikipedia article? After all, that analysis of the side-panel has subsequently been further confirmed by other reliable evidence, all of which the article also ignores.

    I have edited some wikipedia articles, but I won’t edit the one on MH17: it’s too thoroughly rotten with speculative and other bad sources, so that it would need to be entirely rewritten — and bogus ‘evidence’ removed from it — in order for the article to present an account that’s based upon the best evidence regarding each of its particulars.


    Wikipedia’s article is thoroughly based on anti-Russian propaganda; it might as well have been written by the CIA (like the case that was presented about “Saddam’s WMD” was).

    Here is the wikipedia article, so that you can see what U.S. propaganda says about the downing of MH17.

    Here is my latest article about the downing of the MH17.

    Here is my most comprehensive article reconstructing, on a best-evidence basis, how and why and who shot down this airliner.

    The core of my case there is the same item of evidence to which Haisenko first called the public’s attention: that side-panel. I basically accept his reconstruction of how the plane came down, but I supplement it with additional evidence. Please click onto any link in the article, to see the evidence more fully analyzed, in the given linked-to source, wherever you have further questions that aren’t directly addressed in the article.

    My articles present far fewer items of ‘evidence’ than does the wikipedia article, because I exclude all but the most-reliable evidence about any given detail. There is so much speculation that’s published, and so much bogus ‘evidence’; my guiding principle is therefore to rely only upon the least-speculative argument that refers to only the most-reliable, assuredly untampered-with, items of evidence.

    This is what one is supposed to do in a court of law; it’s the reason why judges are authorized to exclude from being presented to jurors any ‘evidence’ that fails to meet modern legal/forensic standards of authenticity and reliability. It’s the only way that an unprejudiced verdict can even become possible. It’s the prerequisite to history, as opposed to mere myth.

    That’s the contrast between my articles about the MH17 disaster, and the 320 articles from which the wikipedia article about MH17 is constructed. And it also separates my articles from wikipedia’s article itself about the subject, “Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.”

    What’s especially wrong about the wikipedia account is that it doesn’t even refer to the 30mm bullet holes in that side panel — evidence that is inconsistent with the U.S.-Ukrainian account (wikipedia’s account) of how this airliner was shot down. (Wikipedia’s article is instead obsessed with “a Buk missile launcher” — the theory of the case that’s pumped by America’s and Ukraine’s governments, and which is entirely inconsistent with such bullet-holes. You don’t get bullet-holes from 33,000+ feet away.)

    And the wikipedia article also doesn’t refer to Peter Haisenko, the brilliant former Luftahansa pilot who first pointed out those bullet holes in the side-panel, and who noted that there wouldn’t be any, much less hundreds of, bullet-holes firing directly into the pilot’s body, if the only thing that had brought down this airliner were shrapnel from some missile fired from 33,000 feet below.

    You simply can’t target the pilot’s belly and pump perhaps a thousand bullets into it from 33,000 feet down. This side-panel decimates the American-Ukrainian theory of the case — and so decimates wikipedia’s propagandistic article.

    And why wasn’t the autopsy on the pilot made public? Everyone needs to know what was inside that corpse. But wikipedia and the ‘news’ media show no interest in that crucial question, either.

    We don’t live in a democracy. This is a dictatorship. The ‘news’ media cannot be trusted by any intelligent and open-minded person. To find the truth, one (unfortunately) needs to investigate on one’s own and take the attitude that only the most solid evidence and the least speculative argument constitutes authentic history, on anything.

    All else — any casual trusting of the ‘news’ media — is merely accepting lies and myths, which are designed to manipulate people (like when we invaded Iraq), instead of to inform them. There is more than ample reason to distrust the ‘news’ media. And wikipedia is just as manipulated as the rest.

    We live now in a culture where lies and myths drown out truth. In other words: we live in a dictatorship. That’s today’s USA. This is the reality, in which we live.

    And the Big Lie is: it’s not so. But the evidence sadly proves: it’s so; it clearly is the case.

    Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.


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    Re: Wikipedia as Propaganda Not History

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:51 am

    Wikipedia has been set up for the same reason as that of the other Orwellian prolefeed outlets, to control the brains of the proles.

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    Re: Wikipedia as Propaganda Not History

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:10 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Wikipedia has been set up for the same reason as that of the other Orwellian prolefeed outlets, to control the brains of the proles.
    By whom? Jews? Or Anglo-Sucksons?

    Come on - 90% of articles on wikipedia are not about politics and everyone can edit them. Personally I don't see the overwhelming amount of bias that you see. IMHO sites promoting Holocaust denial are much more dangerous than Wikipedia.

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    Re: Wikipedia as Propaganda Not History

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:07 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Wikipedia has been set up for the same reason as that of the other Orwellian prolefeed outlets, to control the brains of the proles.
    By whom? Jews? Or Anglo-Sucksons?

    Come on - 90% of articles on wikipedia are not about politics and everyone can edit them. Personally I don't see the overwhelming amount of bias that you see. IMHO sites promoting Holocaust denial are much more dangerous than Wikipedia.

    You don't see USA occupying and dictating politics in germany... your believes and thoughts on that matter are just as usefull as the opinions by rapists about morality.

    It is obvious beyond doubt. You can go and try to edit whatever you want, if it is not political, military, economy or history it will be left unnoticed for very long time but as soon it is against the interests of the US or Israel your editation won't stay for more than an hour. Go try to edit one of the Israely related articles about Palestinians being terrorists, you will be permanently banned from Wikipedia and that is a hard fact. Israel has occupied wikipedia regarding any Israel related topics for several years already. They are called Hasbara Jews, Propagandists on internet, several people fighting internet war, paying wikipedia for editorial or Moderator rights to assure their edits stay. They do it usually very sneaky, by discrediting anyone by commenting for both arguments. When you argue for sane non black and white picture of the Israeli Occupation, there will be a paid Hasbara Jew, first trying to argee with you and then going nuts and ridiculing it, by trying to seem like your opinion and side of opinion is radical anti-jewish anti-israel meaning your argumentation regardless how well will be dragged into Judeophobia. Wikipedia is controlled, you can't edit things that are history, especially false flags of recent past or ongoing things, they are very well guarded by paid agents.

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    Re: Wikipedia as Propaganda Not History

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:15 pm

    Where does Wikipedia say Palestinians are terrorists? Show me this passage together with the article it is in and then we can talk.

    BTW: Haven't you considered consulting a mental health professional? Your obsession with Jews is getting out of control.

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    Re: Wikipedia as Propaganda Not History

    Post  jhelb on Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:44 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Wikipedia has been set up for the same reason as that of the other Orwellian prolefeed outlets, to control the brains of the proles.

    Nice one Morpheus thumbsup BTW missing your comments on the "technical threads".

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    Re: Wikipedia as Propaganda Not History

    Post  Firebird on Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:11 am

    Dickipedia is an absolute joke. Every tried writing something for it?

    Apparently 80% of entries are done by something like 500 people.
    Look at the geopolitical stuff, and its an even smaller igure.

    Mainly its interns for the Republican party writing shit. Oh and their NGO gimps in Europe.
    Its considered the grunt job, but they are given the promise of a "real"/better paid job further up, if they tow the party line. Politics in America (and some of the EU) is run by business. But its also a big business in its own right. Ofcourse the so called "primary sources" are run by the US media Establishment anyway.

    Even that skank Irina Farion page had a little gimp from Washington who kept removing valid amendments.

    Take a look at the Ukraine page. Those Yankee pricks writing it couldnt even pt to it on a map.
    Why dont Russiadefence members focus an onslaught on the lies there? If we tie them up with quotations etc, the pricks might throw in the towel for a while...

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