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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:01 pm

    I am searching for phoyos of Yugoslav army. I am mostly interested in photos from 1960s, 70s, and 80s buy you can share any photos from 1945 up to ultimate Yugo dissolution.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:50 am

    Here's a few from the late 50's till 1970's

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    Few weeks ago someone asked me about Signals and Intelligence and Electronic Warfare capabilities of Serbian-Yugoslavian army, i personally knew about couple of systems i had pleasure seeing during service but none of it was modern or really capable. I assume specialised units like 224th Center for Electronic Warfare operate some 70s/80s equipment which i do not know much about since i served in communications attached to Air Defence. But i found one gem i did not know about and i feel like sharing.

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    The former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia operated a number of SIGINT aircraft, namely one Yak-40 EI (project name: Aries A) and 4 Mi-8 (YuAF classification HT-40 PED (abbreviation for Protivelektronska dejstva - electronic countermeasures), project name ARIES F). The Yak-40's serial number was 71506 (now it has a civilian registration, YU-AKW). The installation of SIGINT and countermeasures equipment was done in cooperation with Italian companies, and some of the equipment wasdeveloped indigenously. The modifications were made in the early 1980's. This aircraft is now registered in Ukraine as UR-AKW and stored at UKLI.

    Help me keep the thread alive, if you have any questions regarding Serbian or exYu military ill do my best to answer or find answers in literature i have on my disposal.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:03 am

    Ahh memories....seen the YAK-40 several times when I was serving at Nish airbase back in the 1980's
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    Post  Guest on Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:59 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Ahh memories....seen the YAK-40 several times when I was serving at Nish airbase back in the 1980's

    Flew with one once from Belgrade-Batajnica to Montenegro-Tivat, quite noisy machine.
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    Post  Guest on Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:56 am



    "We love you our homeland" with translation, somewhat of a second anthem of Yugoslavia in 90s.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:40 am

    Militarov wrote:

    "We love you our homeland" with translation, somewhat of a second anthem of Yugoslavia in 90s.

    I remember this song on a videoclip shown in Greek TV in 1999 (from Yugoslav TV)
    Always wanted to find it since then. Maybe the videoclip is the same, the MiG-29 part seems familiar.
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    Post  Guest on Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:47 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    "We love you our homeland" with translation, somewhat of a second anthem of Yugoslavia in 90s.

    I remember this song on a videoclip shown in Greek TV in 1999 (from Yugoslav TV)
    Always wanted to find it since then. Maybe the videoclip is the same, the MiG-29 part seems familiar.

    There, now you can enjoy it again Smile. Yes most likely its the same video since this is the "original" one being aired here on RTS (Radio-TV Serbia). It was very often aired during 1999. to raise morale of the people.



    You can check out this one too.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:55 am

    Militarov wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    "We love you our homeland" with translation, somewhat of a second anthem of Yugoslavia in 90s.

    I remember this song on a videoclip shown in Greek TV in 1999 (from Yugoslav TV)
    Always wanted to find it since then. Maybe the videoclip is the same, the MiG-29 part seems familiar.

    There, now you can enjoy it again Smile. Yes most likely its the same video since this is the "original" one being aired here on RTS (Radio-TV Serbia). It was very often aired during 1999. to raise morale of the people.



    You can check out this one too.

    That's it, the scene on 1.11 with MiG-29 take off and all. Brings back a lot of memories, sad ones from those weeks, the bombings of Aleksinats, novi sad, tv station, train bridge No I remember everybody was shouting at the TV on daily basis.

    by the way, i remember the websites of tanjug and serbian MoD having special space for the 1999 war, now these have dissappeared... has anyone saved them?
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    That's it, the scene on 1.11 with MiG-29 take off and all. Brings back a lot of memories, sad ones from those weeks, the bombings of Aleksinats, novi sad, tv station, train bridge No I remember everybody was shouting at the TV on daily basis.

    by the way, i remember the websites of tanjug and serbian MoD having special space for the 1999 war, now these have dissappeared... has anyone saved them?

    Well, you can imagine how it felt here especially considering fact i lived abit outside of the city in forest and that army would set AA gun positions just some 200-300m away. During night i was in bed watching though window them running around with ammunition crates and flashlights after air raid sirens would signal... unusual experience for young boy. Them sharing their field rations with me during day and playing football. Sometimes during day NATO strike military airfield that was couple km away, they would fly in formation clearly visible from the ground, and i would observe them together with soldiers, and they would swear for being unable do anything coz they are so high as they had only 20mm guns there. First time hearing about something called "S300" from their officer, him explaining how it would change the odds if they had it... Smile


    Well its not politically correct these days in Serbia to remember 1999. the way we do so many of those materials that originated back in that time is gone Smile But i assume someone possibly saved it, maybe on some of the Serbian forums it exists like Military City.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:49 pm

    Militarov wrote:Well, you can imagine how it felt here especially considering fact i lived abit outside of the city in forest and that army would set AA gun positions just some 200-300m away. During night i was in bed watching though window them running around with ammunition crates and flashlights after air raid sirens would signal... unusual experience for young boy. Them sharing their field rations with me during day and playing football. Sometimes during day NATO strike military airfield that was couple km away, they would fly in formation clearly visible from the ground, and i would observe them together with soldiers, and they would swear for being unable do anything coz they are so high as they had only 20mm guns there. First time hearing about something called "S300" from their officer, him explaining how it would change the odds if they had it... Smile

    I can't imagine how it might have been for you, but as a child I'm sure you were not scared. Something similar happened to me one morning of 1996, instead of going to school my dad took us on a ride to a nearby cape. On the way helis were buzzing and when we arrived few more were there. A while later we witnessed pretty much our entire Navy moving east in formations, it was a sight. When asked what's going on, he replied "we're possibly going to war with Turkey tonight" and I still remember how it made sense, like "oh yeah, sure".

    Militarov wrote:Well its not politically correct these days in Serbia to remember 1999. the way we do so many of those materials that originated back in that time is gone Smile But i assume someone possibly saved it, maybe on some of the Serbian forums it exists like Military City.

    I figured so, it's the same here on our equivalent issues. Everyone thinks it's progressive to forget.
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    Post  Guest on Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:58 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Well, you can imagine how it felt here especially considering fact i lived abit outside of the city in forest and that army would set AA gun positions just some 200-300m away. During night i was in bed watching though window them running around with ammunition crates and flashlights after air raid sirens would signal... unusual experience for young boy. Them sharing their field rations with me during day and playing football. Sometimes during day NATO strike military airfield that was couple km away, they would fly in formation clearly visible from the ground, and i would observe them together with soldiers, and they would swear for being unable do anything coz they are so high as they had only 20mm guns there. First time hearing about something called "S300" from their officer, him explaining how it would change the odds if they had it... Smile

    I can't imagine how it might have been for you, but as a child I'm sure you were not scared. Something similar happened to me one morning of 1996, instead of going to school my dad took us on a ride to a nearby cape. On the way helis were buzzing and when we arrived few more were there. A while later we witnessed pretty much our entire Navy moving east in formations, it was a sight. When asked what's going on, he replied "we're possibly going to war with Turkey tonight" and I still remember how it made sense, like "oh yeah, sure".

    Militarov wrote:Well its not politically correct these days in Serbia to remember 1999. the way we do so many of those materials that originated back in that time is gone Smile But i assume someone possibly saved it, maybe on some of the Serbian forums it exists like Military City.

    I figured so, it's the same here on our equivalent issues. Everyone thinks it's progressive to forget.

    Naa, not scared at all. People in cities would run to bunkers, shelters, cellars or whatever they had, parents would make their kids to sleep underground and similar crap. My parents on other hand already survived one war with far greater direct chance to be in harms way, meanwhile carrying me around as a toddler so they did not rly care much anymore. I wasnt very young tho, i was 10 y/o or so i was well aware of everything, but i wasnt scared i was more like... angry lets say, feeling of weakness. Living in someones else house coz yours was burned just few years earlier in war, being bombed again, meh.

    Yeah, especially if its EU/NATO progressive. They surely all do remember how Russia failed to help us in 1999. but they as hell try to forget what Russia failed to help us about. Biggest argument of Eurofanatics here is "Russia did not help us in 1999. they are always seeking own interest"...sure...but...basically whole EU bombed you back then... how does... nevermind. You get it.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:26 pm

    Militarov wrote:Yeah, especially if its EU/NATO progressive. They surely all do remember how Russia failed to help us in 1999. but they as hell try to forget what Russia failed to help us about. Biggest argument of Eurofanatics here is "Russia did not help us in 1999. they are always seeking own interest"...sure...but...basically whole EU bombed you back then... how does... nevermind. You get it.

    Even us, despite declining use of airbases for strikes and border (pre-Rambouillet), our government (member of EU and NATO) did very little to help you. Mainly humanitarian stuff and media-wise the Serbian POV was/is public opinion (daily footage directly from RTS, journos went up there, etc). But that Greek government 96-00 was the same that screwed the country over financially, sold the eurozone myth, wasted a lot of money, handled aggressiveness of Turkey horribly etc.

    So tell those people that Hellas' membership in EU/NATO failed to help you as well.
    Also I distinctively remember CNN airing a map with both Turkey and us "on fire" and the story was that if Serbia wins the war, trouble will go south...

    PS. I always felt Milosevic sold everything out in Rambouillet... am I wrong? The media here conveyed this image of a strongman that will never yield.
    PS2. we can continue if you like on the 1999 war thread.
    PS3. just realized tanjug press agency is shut. wtf Shocked
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    Movie "Houston, We Have a Problem!" which claims that secret underground airfield Željava in Yugoslavia was home of secret space program.
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    Post  Guest on Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:17 pm

    All those weapons you like and praise in Middle East were product of once mighty 22,5million citizens country from Balcan, respected even on global scale, waging balance between two superpowers. How would world look if Yugoslavia still existed:

    "In an alternative universe, what if Yugoslavia still existed? NATO’s expansion, the Cold War still being waged, the so-called democratic western nations destroying freedoms in the name of democracy, we’re already living World War III. At this crucial juncture in history, it’s absolutely imperative that we examine what has transpired the last 25 years. Yugoslavia and western intervention there, is perhaps the best place to begin. This article calls to question the peace that might have been. More importantly, it calls to question whether or not peace was ever a democratic goal.

    Can you imagine Europe today with Yugoslavia as a key player among nations? I can. Yugoslavia was in fact, one of the greatest cultural and human experiments in history. Formed in the crucible that was the conflict in between the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire, Yugoslavia melded together people’s of both cultures, and in ways not seen since the time of Alexander the Great’s assimilation of peoples after immense conquest. The experiment, if I may call it that, lasted a little over half a century. The ideal was, to form a single state for all southern Slavic peoples. While Yugoslavia’s creation was partly a geo-strategic move on the part of Britain and France, in order to restrain or block Germany, the underlying idealism was sound and just. The provisions of the so-called “Corfu Declaration” called for what amounted to a constitutional monarchy not unlike England’s. Rights and suffrage, and core principles of something known as the Illyrian movement, were promising aspects of early Yugoslavia. Even though King Alexander would eventually suspend the constitution and elections, the melding of ethnic groups and cultures still showed promise. War, political machinations, internal and external pressures preyed heavily always on this fledgling world power. As has been the case in many such experiments, ultimately authoritarian rule became the necessity, even desirable.

    To end the history lesson, when the national hero turned Dictator and world celebrity, Josip Tito was firmly in control, Yugoslavia played on the world stage. Then when his power waned, opposing forces found their foothold. No scholars or politicians speak of it today, but Tito’s part in establishing the Non-Aligned Movement of nation states was magnanimous and extremely significant, especially for the people who now live in Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, and the other former Yugoslav regions. I’ll get into this further along, but for now it seems important to outline this Non-Aligned Movement’s ideals.

    The NAM’s foundations were built in Belgrade in 1961 by the initial ideas of Tito’s Yugoslavia; India’s first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru; Indonesia’s first president, Sukarno; Egypt’s second president, Gamal Abdel Nasser; and Ghana’s first president Kwame Nkrumah. To be concise here, maybe reflecting one of NAM’s greatest proponents, Cuba’s Fidel Castro. In a speech given during the Havana Declaration of 1979, Castro laid out the real purpose behind NAM, saying the movement should strive for:

    “The national independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity and security of non-aligned countries” in their “struggle against imperialism, colonialism, neo-colonialism, racism, and all forms of foreign aggression, occupation, domination, interference or hegemony as well as against great power and bloc politics”

    So essentially, the NAM was to be an independent movement of nations in between the great powers, with the idea of negating the Cold War was in novel and interesting one. Of course the major powers engaged in this new political and idealistic warfare had at their core strategy, the inclusion of every one of these fledgling independents. As we see today, the battle goes on to fragment, divide and render powerless, countries and peoples everywhere on the globe. This can be seen most easily in the carving up of the former Yugoslavia, and in the fact the resulting states have shown no inclination to be part of NAM now. Instead, the EU and NATO have been the gravitational pull that moves Croatia and the others. We see the prevalence of “Cold War” strategy in the fact Belarus and Azerbaijan are the only two members of the Movement in Europe, Azerbaijan and Fiji being the most recent entrants, having joined back in 2011. However, the 2012 NAM Summit saw higher attendance than any previous year, a bit of a sign of our crisis time now, I expect. With a declared purpose of “world peace”, and fundamental rights and integrity as its dogma, NAM was and is a valid theoretical mediating framework. But let me return to the fantasy case for Yugoslavia now.

    Looking at the breakup of Yugoslavia in retrospect, framing what is Washington geo-strategy everywhere takes solid form. The Clinton administration’s actions at that time have been parlayed and propagandized with the same Orwellian “doublethink” the public is mystified with today. Reading Washington think tank propaganda like that of the Brookings Institute reveals this. In “Decision to Intervene: How the War in Bosnia Ended” from 1998, author Ivo H. Daalder begins:

    “While many have written eloquently and passionately to explain Washington’s—and the West’s—failure to stop the ethnic cleansing, the concentration camps, and the massacres of hundreds of thousands of civilians, few have examined why, in the summer of 1995, the United States finally did take on a leadership role to end the war in Bosnia.”

    The truth is a much simpler reality. No one needed a think tank to discover why President Bill Clinton hesitated to intercede in Bosnia. Clinton was in fact, continuing the policies of his predecessor, George Bush the senior, to destabilize the Yugoslavian socialist success. We know now that US covertly trained insurgents played a vital role in fragmenting the region via an organization known as the Atlantic Brigade, which fought in the Kosovo war at the side of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), numbering some 400 armed fighters (Also see Christian Science Monitor 1999). There’s not space within this report to reveal the subterfuge and death dealing that came about because of US proxy wars in the former Yugoslavia. I will direct the reader to an expert.

    The decorated soldier and award winning journalist, Colonel David Hackworth (November 11, 1930 – May 4, 2005) was a war hero and defender of truth for the thousands and millions blown to pieces by these wars. “Hack”, as he was often called, was one of the most decorated soldiers in history having worn; 2 Distinguished Service Crosses, 10 Silver Stars, 8 Bronze Stars, 8 Purple Hearts, and 34 Air Medals, to name a few. A journalist for Newsweek and others, “Hack” was in the former Yugoslavia at the critical moment. This piece by him shines light on the lies the American people were told about Bush’s and Clinton’s war there.  Comparing US policy in the former Yugoslavia to that of Vietnam, Hackworth uses the case of Sgt. Richard Casini, a recon trooper in Kosovo who stepped on a mine. In this singular incident, we see what we know now as a “ritual” of lying propaganda to mislead Americans and the world. When the boy’s dad was notified of his son’s injuries, “Your boy is being flown to Germany on the general’s jet,” was the news he got. Unfortunately, “Hack” was contacted later by Sgt. Casini, who had lost a foot, and learned how the boy had been flown to the hospital on a cargo plane wedged in between crates.

    David Hackworth is gone now, he succumbed to cancer a few years back. The legacy of “soldiers against war” goes on, only with different proponents like those at Veterans Today and elsewhere. As for Bill Clinton’s playing at reluctance in the region once known as Yugoslavia, the sordid history of genocide and graft seems endless now. Another story I found, the tale of a Frenchman who trained with the Atlantic Brigade, it calls to mind Ukraine, Libya, and Syria of late. You see “patterns” lead us to the truth more often than not, ask any criminal profiler. The ghastly killing fields of the legitimate country of Yugoslavia, the investments in carving up the pieces left over, stain the hands of US presidents, British lords, and neo-Nazi German industrialists.

    In an interview with a French mercenary names “Jacques’, Jean-Luc Porte reported back in 1999 how the US backed “Atlantic Brigade” was formed up. The skin head killer of Serbs and Croatians, by his own admission, outlines for us how fascism and Nazis akin to those seen in Ukraine of late, made up a killing brigade effecting the dismemberment of a former great nation. Wounded, rethinking his service to the cause, the Frenchman who joined other multinationals in Albania bore the mark of “HOS for Ustashis,” a proud brand of Croatian Nazis who joined the Germans in World War II. Not unlike the Banderites of the Ukraine crisis, the various proxy wars in the Balkans were manned by lethal killers from abroad. And top American officials knew full well the breed of murderers they pulled the strings on in Kosovo and throughout the Balkans. Yugoslavia, you see, became the template for Afghanistan and Iraq, Arab Spring, and the current anti-Russia onslaught. The names of Madeleine Albright, Javier Solana, General Wesley Clark and others continue to reverberate. In the former Yugoslavia the friends of key players in government planned a literal carving feast of potential creditor nations and investment bonanzas. The tale of this genocide in the name of democracy is almost too awful to speak of. Most of the people of these nations were set back 200 years, into a kind of medieval existence without hope. The only glimmer of possibility for most former Yugoslavians is quite naturally, the EU and its NATO protectors.

    As I write this American, Brit and German planners are already carving up Syria. This Rand Corporation plan is not surprisingly clinical, even matter of fact, about partitioning a sovereign state. For those unaware, Rand Corporation is the Big Brother of all hegemonic think tanks. If you see it in print from these guys, the US military industrial complex invested money in it – period. Certainly there was genocide on both sides of the Albania-Kosovo conflict, as well as the other wars in the Balkans. This is not the point really, for the totality of catastrophe is what I am focused on. First of all the people of the united Yugoslavia no longer have any real voice. Secondly, the breakup of that nation has led to the death or dislocation of millions now. This is another story. But my “fantasy” Yugoslavia should be an eye opener. Let me conclude.

    Yugoslavia was built on an idea that Southern Slavs would not remain a weak and divided people. A united nation of Yugoslavia was not easy prey for imperialist intentions like we see taking place today. It is a fact, that after World War II, socialist Yugoslavia became something of a European success story. Between 1960 and 1980 the country had one of the most vigorous growth rates in the world: a decent standard of living, free medical care and education, a guaranteed right to a job, one-month vacation with pay, a literacy rate of over 90 percent, and a life expectancy of 72 years. To my knowledge, not one of the Balkans states that were created can claim half this prosperity. It was this prosperity which caused western interests to want to destroy Yugoslavia.

    Yugoslavia’s multi-ethnic citizenry also had affordable public transportation, housing, and utilities. The not-for-profit economy was mostly publicly owned, not exactly the poster child for western democratic love obviously. The county could not be allowed to compete with Germany, France, and especially Britain, and the London and Luxembourg bankers could not extract their billions in a socialistic system. Yugoslavia had to die, and the Reagans, Bushs, and Clintons helped make it happen. Award winning author, political scientist, and Visiting Fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington, D.C., Michael Parenti has outlined the Yugoslavia disaster many times. According to Parenti, the U.S. goal has been to transform the Yugoslav nation into a Third-World region:

    incapable of charting an independent course of self-development;
    a shattered economy and natural resources completely accessible to multinational corporate exploitation, including the enormous mineral wealth in Kosovo;
    an impoverished, but literate and skilled population forced to work at subsistence wages, constituting a cheap labor pool that will help depress wages in western Europe and elsewhere;
    dismantled petroleum, engineering, mining, fertilizer, and automobile industries, and various light industries, that offer no further competition with existing Western producers.
    Does this strategy sound familiar? Remember the Rand Corporation plan for Syria. Were Ukraine, Donbass, and Crimea understood before the Euromaidan? What is the plan for Russia? This is where the metal meets the meat my friends. In the Balkans catastrophe the West demonized the Serbs. In Libya it was Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, in Syria it is Assad, and the pattern goes on with Vladimir Putin as the biggest trophy head to put on some banker’s den wall. If that sounds contrite, I am sorry, this is the world we live in now. By the power of sleeping American citizens drugged stupid with worthless trinkets of super-capitalism – the world is being taken over by tyrants.



    But what if Yugoslavia had survived? What if the great ethnic-socialist experiment had worked? It’s safe to say our world would be totally different today. For one thing, the EU with the Non-Aligned Movement of nation states (NAM) operating within its current boarders would be less potent, far less influential geo-politically. All of Europe might have led to Belgrade, and from there into the six republics now fighting for crumbs from Brussels. To galvanize how my fantasy Yugoslavian nation might look, I’ll leave you with the relative economic situations of current Balkans states, and the Yugoslavia GDP in 1991, positioned at 24th among world nations. As former President Ronald Reagan used to say; “Are you better off?”

    As of 2015, Bosnia and Herzegovina is 112th economically, and conditions are worsening. Still the poor Bosnians think joining the EU will solve all problems. Croatia is currently 76th in the world economically, but Bloomberg just named the country one of the 10 worst on Earth. Macedonia ranks 130th, with agriculture being the only real industry, unemployment in the country is above 30%. Montenegro, despite the sheer beauty of the tiny country, is 149th among world nations. Like some other former republics, Montenegro believes EU ascension will solve everything. Serbia is ranked 87th in GDP, and seems more stable in many regards than her contemporaries. Slovenia ranks 81st in GDP, and is for some a potential miracle if tourism and other industries continue to grow there.

    From a personal perspective, I recall a moment of prosperity in the former Yugoslavia, the 1984 Olympics at Sarajevo. Those were the first Winter Olympics ever held in a Communist nation, as I recall. The torch relay through Dubrovnik, then Split, Ljubljana, Zagreb, and countless other Yugoslavian cities, culminated in a proud moment in Sarajevo. The names of the gold medal athletes there have become blurred in my mind now, but the little wolf mascot Vučko, created by the Slovenian painter Jože Trobec is framed in my mind’s eye for some reason. A cartoon here in Yugoslavia at the time, the little wolf represented the people of these Balkans nations well. Wolves are prominent in Yugoslavian fables, they are the embodiment of courage and strength and the also symbolize winter. And as I type these final letters, I think about what the courageous and strong people of Yugoslavia might have won had their destinies not been interrupted by outsiders? All I know is, 24th place is a far cry from 149th in the Olympics. As for Yugoslavia, that nation is gone forever."


    Source: http://m.journal-neo.org/2016/02/22/a-yugoslavian-fantasy-24th-versus-149th-place/
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    Post  Guest on Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:21 pm

    All those weapons you like and praise in Middle East were product of once mighty 22,5million citizens country from Balcan, respected even on global scale, waging balance between two superpowers. How would world look if Yugoslavia still existed:

    "In an alternative universe, what if Yugoslavia still existed? NATO’s expansion, the Cold War still being waged, the so-called democratic western nations destroying freedoms in the name of democracy, we’re already living World War III. At this crucial juncture in history, it’s absolutely imperative that we examine what has transpired the last 25 years. Yugoslavia and western intervention there, is perhaps the best place to begin. This article calls to question the peace that might have been. More importantly, it calls to question whether or not peace was ever a democratic goal.

    Can you imagine Europe today with Yugoslavia as a key player among nations? I can. Yugoslavia was in fact, one of the greatest cultural and human experiments in history. Formed in the crucible that was the conflict in between the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire, Yugoslavia melded together people’s of both cultures, and in ways not seen since the time of Alexander the Great’s assimilation of peoples after immense conquest. The experiment, if I may call it that, lasted a little over half a century. The ideal was, to form a single state for all southern Slavic peoples. While Yugoslavia’s creation was partly a geo-strategic move on the part of Britain and France, in order to restrain or block Germany, the underlying idealism was sound and just. The provisions of the so-called “Corfu Declaration” called for what amounted to a constitutional monarchy not unlike England’s. Rights and suffrage, and core principles of something known as the Illyrian movement, were promising aspects of early Yugoslavia. Even though King Alexander would eventually suspend the constitution and elections, the melding of ethnic groups and cultures still showed promise. War, political machinations, internal and external pressures preyed heavily always on this fledgling world power. As has been the case in many such experiments, ultimately authoritarian rule became the necessity, even desirable.

    To end the history lesson, when the national hero turned Dictator and world celebrity, Josip Tito was firmly in control, Yugoslavia played on the world stage. Then when his power waned, opposing forces found their foothold. No scholars or politicians speak of it today, but Tito’s part in establishing the Non-Aligned Movement of nation states was magnanimous and extremely significant, especially for the people who now live in Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, and the other former Yugoslav regions. I’ll get into this further along, but for now it seems important to outline this Non-Aligned Movement’s ideals.

    The NAM’s foundations were built in Belgrade in 1961 by the initial ideas of Tito’s Yugoslavia; India’s first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru; Indonesia’s first president, Sukarno; Egypt’s second president, Gamal Abdel Nasser; and Ghana’s first president Kwame Nkrumah. To be concise here, maybe reflecting one of NAM’s greatest proponents, Cuba’s Fidel Castro. In a speech given during the Havana Declaration of 1979, Castro laid out the real purpose behind NAM, saying the movement should strive for:

    “The national independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity and security of non-aligned countries” in their “struggle against imperialism, colonialism, neo-colonialism, racism, and all forms of foreign aggression, occupation, domination, interference or hegemony as well as against great power and bloc politics”

    So essentially, the NAM was to be an independent movement of nations in between the great powers, with the idea of negating the Cold War was in novel and interesting one. Of course the major powers engaged in this new political and idealistic warfare had at their core strategy, the inclusion of every one of these fledgling independents. As we see today, the battle goes on to fragment, divide and render powerless, countries and peoples everywhere on the globe. This can be seen most easily in the carving up of the former Yugoslavia, and in the fact the resulting states have shown no inclination to be part of NAM now. Instead, the EU and NATO have been the gravitational pull that moves Croatia and the others. We see the prevalence of “Cold War” strategy in the fact Belarus and Azerbaijan are the only two members of the Movement in Europe, Azerbaijan and Fiji being the most recent entrants, having joined back in 2011. However, the 2012 NAM Summit saw higher attendance than any previous year, a bit of a sign of our crisis time now, I expect. With a declared purpose of “world peace”, and fundamental rights and integrity as its dogma, NAM was and is a valid theoretical mediating framework. But let me return to the fantasy case for Yugoslavia now.

    Looking at the breakup of Yugoslavia in retrospect, framing what is Washington geo-strategy everywhere takes solid form. The Clinton administration’s actions at that time have been parlayed and propagandized with the same Orwellian “doublethink” the public is mystified with today. Reading Washington think tank propaganda like that of the Brookings Institute reveals this. In “Decision to Intervene: How the War in Bosnia Ended” from 1998, author Ivo H. Daalder begins:

    “While many have written eloquently and passionately to explain Washington’s—and the West’s—failure to stop the ethnic cleansing, the concentration camps, and the massacres of hundreds of thousands of civilians, few have examined why, in the summer of 1995, the United States finally did take on a leadership role to end the war in Bosnia.”

    The truth is a much simpler reality. No one needed a think tank to discover why President Bill Clinton hesitated to intercede in Bosnia. Clinton was in fact, continuing the policies of his predecessor, George Bush the senior, to destabilize the Yugoslavian socialist success. We know now that US covertly trained insurgents played a vital role in fragmenting the region via an organization known as the Atlantic Brigade, which fought in the Kosovo war at the side of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), numbering some 400 armed fighters (Also see Christian Science Monitor 1999). There’s not space within this report to reveal the subterfuge and death dealing that came about because of US proxy wars in the former Yugoslavia. I will direct the reader to an expert.

    The decorated soldier and award winning journalist, Colonel David Hackworth (November 11, 1930 – May 4, 2005) was a war hero and defender of truth for the thousands and millions blown to pieces by these wars. “Hack”, as he was often called, was one of the most decorated soldiers in history having worn; 2 Distinguished Service Crosses, 10 Silver Stars, 8 Bronze Stars, 8 Purple Hearts, and 34 Air Medals, to name a few. A journalist for Newsweek and others, “Hack” was in the former Yugoslavia at the critical moment. This piece by him shines light on the lies the American people were told about Bush’s and Clinton’s war there.  Comparing US policy in the former Yugoslavia to that of Vietnam, Hackworth uses the case of Sgt. Richard Casini, a recon trooper in Kosovo who stepped on a mine. In this singular incident, we see what we know now as a “ritual” of lying propaganda to mislead Americans and the world. When the boy’s dad was notified of his son’s injuries, “Your boy is being flown to Germany on the general’s jet,” was the news he got. Unfortunately, “Hack” was contacted later by Sgt. Casini, who had lost a foot, and learned how the boy had been flown to the hospital on a cargo plane wedged in between crates.

    David Hackworth is gone now, he succumbed to cancer a few years back. The legacy of “soldiers against war” goes on, only with different proponents like those at Veterans Today and elsewhere. As for Bill Clinton’s playing at reluctance in the region once known as Yugoslavia, the sordid history of genocide and graft seems endless now. Another story I found, the tale of a Frenchman who trained with the Atlantic Brigade, it calls to mind Ukraine, Libya, and Syria of late. You see “patterns” lead us to the truth more often than not, ask any criminal profiler. The ghastly killing fields of the legitimate country of Yugoslavia, the investments in carving up the pieces left over, stain the hands of US presidents, British lords, and neo-Nazi German industrialists.

    In an interview with a French mercenary names “Jacques’, Jean-Luc Porte reported back in 1999 how the US backed “Atlantic Brigade” was formed up. The skin head killer of Serbs and Croatians, by his own admission, outlines for us how fascism and Nazis akin to those seen in Ukraine of late, made up a killing brigade effecting the dismemberment of a former great nation. Wounded, rethinking his service to the cause, the Frenchman who joined other multinationals in Albania bore the mark of “HOS for Ustashis,” a proud brand of Croatian Nazis who joined the Germans in World War II. Not unlike the Banderites of the Ukraine crisis, the various proxy wars in the Balkans were manned by lethal killers from abroad. And top American officials knew full well the breed of murderers they pulled the strings on in Kosovo and throughout the Balkans. Yugoslavia, you see, became the template for Afghanistan and Iraq, Arab Spring, and the current anti-Russia onslaught. The names of Madeleine Albright, Javier Solana, General Wesley Clark and others continue to reverberate. In the former Yugoslavia the friends of key players in government planned a literal carving feast of potential creditor nations and investment bonanzas. The tale of this genocide in the name of democracy is almost too awful to speak of. Most of the people of these nations were set back 200 years, into a kind of medieval existence without hope. The only glimmer of possibility for most former Yugoslavians is quite naturally, the EU and its NATO protectors.

    As I write this American, Brit and German planners are already carving up Syria. This Rand Corporation plan is not surprisingly clinical, even matter of fact, about partitioning a sovereign state. For those unaware, Rand Corporation is the Big Brother of all hegemonic think tanks. If you see it in print from these guys, the US military industrial complex invested money in it – period. Certainly there was genocide on both sides of the Albania-Kosovo conflict, as well as the other wars in the Balkans. This is not the point really, for the totality of catastrophe is what I am focused on. First of all the people of the united Yugoslavia no longer have any real voice. Secondly, the breakup of that nation has led to the death or dislocation of millions now. This is another story. But my “fantasy” Yugoslavia should be an eye opener. Let me conclude.

    Yugoslavia was built on an idea that Southern Slavs would not remain a weak and divided people. A united nation of Yugoslavia was not easy prey for imperialist intentions like we see taking place today. It is a fact, that after World War II, socialist Yugoslavia became something of a European success story. Between 1960 and 1980 the country had one of the most vigorous growth rates in the world: a decent standard of living, free medical care and education, a guaranteed right to a job, one-month vacation with pay, a literacy rate of over 90 percent, and a life expectancy of 72 years. To my knowledge, not one of the Balkans states that were created can claim half this prosperity. It was this prosperity which caused western interests to want to destroy Yugoslavia.

    Yugoslavia’s multi-ethnic citizenry also had affordable public transportation, housing, and utilities. The not-for-profit economy was mostly publicly owned, not exactly the poster child for western democratic love obviously. The county could not be allowed to compete with Germany, France, and especially Britain, and the London and Luxembourg bankers could not extract their billions in a socialistic system. Yugoslavia had to die, and the Reagans, Bushs, and Clintons helped make it happen. Award winning author, political scientist, and Visiting Fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington, D.C., Michael Parenti has outlined the Yugoslavia disaster many times. According to Parenti, the U.S. goal has been to transform the Yugoslav nation into a Third-World region:

    incapable of charting an independent course of self-development;
    a shattered economy and natural resources completely accessible to multinational corporate exploitation, including the enormous mineral wealth in Kosovo;
    an impoverished, but literate and skilled population forced to work at subsistence wages, constituting a cheap labor pool that will help depress wages in western Europe and elsewhere;
    dismantled petroleum, engineering, mining, fertilizer, and automobile industries, and various light industries, that offer no further competition with existing Western producers.
    Does this strategy sound familiar? Remember the Rand Corporation plan for Syria. Were Ukraine, Donbass, and Crimea understood before the Euromaidan? What is the plan for Russia? This is where the metal meets the meat my friends. In the Balkans catastrophe the West demonized the Serbs. In Libya it was Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, in Syria it is Assad, and the pattern goes on with Vladimir Putin as the biggest trophy head to put on some banker’s den wall. If that sounds contrite, I am sorry, this is the world we live in now. By the power of sleeping American citizens drugged stupid with worthless trinkets of super-capitalism – the world is being taken over by tyrants.



    But what if Yugoslavia had survived? What if the great ethnic-socialist experiment had worked? It’s safe to say our world would be totally different today. For one thing, the EU with the Non-Aligned Movement of nation states (NAM) operating within its current boarders would be less potent, far less influential geo-politically. All of Europe might have led to Belgrade, and from there into the six republics now fighting for crumbs from Brussels. To galvanize how my fantasy Yugoslavian nation might look, I’ll leave you with the relative economic situations of current Balkans states, and the Yugoslavia GDP in 1991, positioned at 24th among world nations. As former President Ronald Reagan used to say; “Are you better off?”

    As of 2015, Bosnia and Herzegovina is 112th economically, and conditions are worsening. Still the poor Bosnians think joining the EU will solve all problems. Croatia is currently 76th in the world economically, but Bloomberg just named the country one of the 10 worst on Earth. Macedonia ranks 130th, with agriculture being the only real industry, unemployment in the country is above 30%. Montenegro, despite the sheer beauty of the tiny country, is 149th among world nations. Like some other former republics, Montenegro believes EU ascension will solve everything. Serbia is ranked 87th in GDP, and seems more stable in many regards than her contemporaries. Slovenia ranks 81st in GDP, and is for some a potential miracle if tourism and other industries continue to grow there.

    From a personal perspective, I recall a moment of prosperity in the former Yugoslavia, the 1984 Olympics at Sarajevo. Those were the first Winter Olympics ever held in a Communist nation, as I recall. The torch relay through Dubrovnik, then Split, Ljubljana, Zagreb, and countless other Yugoslavian cities, culminated in a proud moment in Sarajevo. The names of the gold medal athletes there have become blurred in my mind now, but the little wolf mascot Vučko, created by the Slovenian painter Jože Trobec is framed in my mind’s eye for some reason. A cartoon here in Yugoslavia at the time, the little wolf represented the people of these Balkans nations well. Wolves are prominent in Yugoslavian fables, they are the embodiment of courage and strength and the also symbolize winter. And as I type these final letters, I think about what the courageous and strong people of Yugoslavia might have won had their destinies not been interrupted by outsiders? All I know is, 24th place is a far cry from 149th in the Olympics. As for Yugoslavia, that nation is gone forever."


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    Underground military installations of the former Yugoslavia

    The web site "Guide to Serbia" published interesting and extensive material "In the footsteps of underground military installations of Yugoslavia" with an overview of the cyclopical construction of the mass of underground protected military facilities in the former socialist Yugoslavia, including the history and current status of underground installations in the former Yugoslav republics

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