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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  calm on Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:08 pm

    Executing women, barbarians...
    Turkish army (NATO member) soldiers executing prisoners of war (POWs) belonging to the PKK. Not the first time Turkey commit war crimes.

    https://twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/792331759060938753

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  Airman on Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:19 pm

    calm wrote:Executing women, barbarians...
    Turkish army (NATO member) soldiers executing prisoners of war (POWs) belonging to the PKK. Not the first time Turkey commit war crimes.

    https://twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/792331759060938753

    These terrorists shoots our soldiers for 40 years. There is no respect for terrorists.

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  Militarov on Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:12 am

    Airman wrote:
    calm wrote:Executing women, barbarians...
    Turkish army (NATO member) soldiers executing prisoners of war (POWs) belonging to the PKK. Not the first time Turkey commit war crimes.

    https://twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/792331759060938753

    These terrorists shoots our soldiers for 40 years. There is no respect for terrorists.

    Well aint Turks sweet.

    3rd country to recognise Kosovo participated in bombing of Yugoslavia, trained Albanian terrorists and even supplied them with equipment.

    Sent uniforms, ammunition and equipment to Bosnian Muslims to fight Serbs.

    Trained and funded Chechens in Russia in 90s, provided equipment and medical threatment for their wounded.

    Trained and funded FSA in Syria.

    And you actually got no shame to call someone terrorist? lol

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  Airman on Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:48 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Airman wrote:
    calm wrote:Executing women, barbarians...
    Turkish army (NATO member) soldiers executing prisoners of war (POWs) belonging to the PKK. Not the first time Turkey commit war crimes.

    https://twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/792331759060938753

    These terrorists shoots our soldiers for 40 years. There is no respect for terrorists.

    Well aint Turks sweet.

    3rd country to recognise Kosovo participated in bombing of Yugoslavia, trained Albanian terrorists and even supplied them with equipment.

    Sent uniforms, ammunition and equipment to Bosnian Muslims to fight Serbs.

    Trained and funded Chechens in Russia in 90s, provided equipment and medical threatment for their wounded.

    Trained and funded FSA in Syria.

    And you actually got no shame to call someone terrorist? lol

    They are terrorists for some people and They are just activist or militan for some people. Unfortunately the world is such a place. I'm sure a lot of country trained and funded PKK,YPG and PJAK in Turkey, Syria, İran and Iraq.


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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  Airman on Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:31 pm















    3rd Infantry Division Command carried out an operation in Yüksekova, Hakkâri. During the operation, a large number of weapons, ammunition, handmade explosives and life materials were seized by Hakkâri Mountain and Commando Brigade.

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  VladimirSahin on Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:50 pm

    Wow all those weapons. How large of a force was Turkish troops facing in that operation?

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:54 pm

    VladimirSahin wrote:Wow all those weapons. How large of a force was Turkish troops facing in that operation?

    That's a platoon worth of weapons, complete with what looks a DIY mount for support DshK and DIY mount for 82mm mortar.

    It's not much, basically the TSK forces were tipped off or run checks on known ambush spots and find out either cache or PKK/Kurdish group.

    Also I'd like to call time out on the outrage.

    Yes we all have stories about terrorists to tell, just let's focus on the important bits. TSK has its hands full with PKK currently and the summary execution of captured female PKK fighters is sign of frustration and anger among TSK personnel. Yes it is a war crime but does it really makes any less sense for most of us? It's the normal consequence of a guerrilla warfare that has intensified recently. What makes it absurd is the fact that the TSK has taped it and it has reached the internet. More ammunition against the Turkish forces IMO.

    You can now return to the usual fight gentlemen.


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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:01 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:What makes it absurd is the fact that the TSK has taped it and it has reached the internet. More ammunition against the Turkish forces IMO.

    Or worse, next time the Kurds snatch one of their men, they may be tempted carry out a nasty execution and put it on liveleak. That's why an Army should never conduct itself like those fools (and their superiors, commander-in-chief, etc. that enable/allow it).

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:14 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:What makes it absurd is the fact that the TSK has taped it and it has reached the internet. More ammunition against the Turkish forces IMO.

    Or worse, next time the Kurds snatch one of their men, they may be tempted carry out a nasty execution and put it on liveleak. That's why an Army should never conduct itself like those fools (and their superiors, commander-in-chief, etc. that enable/allow it).

    Kurds have already kidnapped TSK officers and shot them in the past, this isn't going to be a new thing, however this makes grace after surrender more complicated for TSK soldiers. It's like signing a collective death sentence for all deployed personnel.

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:17 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:What makes it absurd is the fact that the TSK has taped it and it has reached the internet. More ammunition against the Turkish forces IMO.

    Or worse, next time the Kurds snatch one of their men, they may be tempted carry out a nasty execution and put it on liveleak. That's why an Army should never conduct itself like those fools (and their superiors, commander-in-chief, etc. that enable/allow it).

    Kurds have already kidnapped TSK officers and shot them in the past, this isn't going to be a new thing, however this makes grace after surrender more complicated for TSK soldiers. It's like signing a collective death sentence for all deployed personnel.

    It happened before as we all know. But it never was a Kurdish moment of pride, as they have an image protect. Right now, if pushed with more stuff like this or more of Erdogan's idiotic policies, they may be tempted to start liveleaking. And guess who looses here? The average soldier on the ground.

    So overall this is foolish and earns the Turks not one bit of respect (or fear).

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:25 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:What makes it absurd is the fact that the TSK has taped it and it has reached the internet. More ammunition against the Turkish forces IMO.

    Or worse, next time the Kurds snatch one of their men, they may be tempted carry out a nasty execution and put it on liveleak. That's why an Army should never conduct itself like those fools (and their superiors, commander-in-chief, etc. that enable/allow it).

    Kurds have already kidnapped TSK officers and shot them in the past, this isn't going to be a new thing, however this makes grace after surrender more complicated for TSK soldiers. It's like signing a collective death sentence for all deployed personnel.

    It happened before as we all know. But it never was a Kurdish moment of pride, as they have an image protect. Right now, if pushed with more stuff like this or more of Erdogan's idiotic policies, they may be tempted to start liveleaking. And guess who looses here? The average soldier on the ground.

    So overall this is foolish and earns the Turks not one bit of respect (or fear).

    PKK doesn't care about image, they're actually dependent on their fighting reports and casualties they cause on the TSK. Back in the early 2000 Kurds were making tapes before Syria struck a deal with Turkey. Going back to that only means the situation is that bad. And it is indeed the Turkish anti-Baath policy that indirectly causes this situation. If Turkey wants to suffer less it has to understand that accepting its failure in Syria is patent and a deal with Bashar is necessary.

    Also at this point, Turkey is in free-wheel mode, respect is literally not their main problem.

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:53 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:PKK doesn't care about image, they're actually dependent on their fighting reports and casualties they cause on the TSK. Back in the early 2000 Kurds were making tapes before Syria struck a deal with Turkey. Going back to that only means the situation is that bad. And it is indeed the Turkish anti-Baath policy that indirectly causes this situation. If Turkey wants to suffer less it has to understand that accepting its failure in Syria is patent and a deal with Bashar is necessary.

    Also at this point, Turkey is in free-wheel mode, respect is literally not their main problem.

    I know what you mean. I watched both MKEK factory explosion (blamed on industrial accident) and the Cougar getting shot out of the sky, as they happened on TV. The 90s was a strange time.

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  Airman on Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:07 am

    VladimirSahin wrote:Wow all those weapons. How large of a force was Turkish troops facing in that operation?

    I dont have any information about that.

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  Airman on Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:25 pm

    The Turkish Armed Forces found the tunnel used by the PKK/PYD on the Syrian-Turkish border. The length of the tunnel is 400 meters. The tunnel was destroyed by the Turkish Armed Forces.












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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  calm on Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:12 pm

    Turkish soldier in Kurdish area posts this on social media. Caption reads: "We don't want an operation, we want to massacre" ???


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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  Airman on Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:02 am

    calm wrote:Turkish soldier in Kurdish area posts this on social media. Caption reads: "We don't want an operation, we want to massacre"  ???


    Are you sure it's a Turkish soldier?

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  The Ottoman on Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:51 pm

    Turkish Army killed a black-skinned negro-terrorist of the PKK.

    And they fought US weaponry next to the corpses

    The PKK is another US-Gladio-proxy to decrease upcoming economies and divide the middle east








    The Turkish crackdown on the PKK is much more effective after the coup-attempt because the corrupt and rotten tomatoes in the police and militairy are jailed en the army is using Turkish made-drones instead of the Israëli ones.

    The Army is using zero tolerance and dont take prisoners anymore.

    More than 7.000 PKK-terorists are killed in almost a year and they are surrendering by masses. If you look at the operational videos on Youtube you can hear them shouting and screeming (LoL)

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:03 pm

    Korean K413 styled handgrenades...probably sent to Peshmerga in Iraq, ended up in Turkey.

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  The Ottoman on Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:15 pm

    calm wrote:Turkish soldier in Kurdish area posts this on social media. Caption reads: "We don't want an operation, we want to massacre"  ???


    I dont think that's a Turkish soldier.

    Turkish soldiers have a different hat and different emblems/symbols on their arms/shoulders

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  Militarov on Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:21 pm

    The Ottoman wrote:

    And they fought US weaponry next to the corpses

    The PKK is another US-Gladio-proxy to decrease upcoming economies and divide the middle east


    The Turkish crackdown on the PKK is much more effective after the coup-attempt because the corrupt and rotten tomatoes in the police and militairy are jailed en the army is using Turkish made-drones instead of the Israëli ones.

    The Army is using zero tolerance and dont take prisoners anymore.

    More than 7.000 PKK-terorists are killed in almost a year and they are surrendering by masses. If you look at the operational videos on Youtube you can hear them shouting and screeming (LoL)


    What i am interested in is, who is supplying you with drugs, coz it seems to be some high quality shit.

    I dont see anything US made on those photos for a start.

    Then claiming how PKK has some connection with US as ultimate goal aganist Turkey... really? You, Turks, the nation that sucked more US balls even than Baltic states... are you nuts?

    "the army is using Turkish made-drones instead of the Israëli ones" - And this is important becausee....? Israeli Zionist Alien Mason organisations with help of Alien races are using drones to warn PKK? I am sorry but that is not how it works.

    "The Army is using zero tolerance and dont take prisoners anymore." - Eamem... war crimes anyone? You fkn exterminated Kurds and Jermens for centuries, what did you fkn expect in return?

    "If you look at the operational videos on Youtube you can hear them shouting and screeming " - If you are employed to spread anti-PKK propaganda...this is the wrong place, noone here really cares. You should to some PKK forum or something.

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  The Ottoman on Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:01 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    What i am interested in is, who is supplying you with drugs, coz it seems to be some high quality shit.

    I dont see anything US made on those photos for a start.

    And these ?














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    Then claiming how PKK has some connection with US as ultimate goal aganist Turkey... really? You, Turks, the nation that sucked more US balls even than Baltic states... are you nuts?

    Yes, the USA and German, Israëli and French intelligence are backing the PKK (and before the PKK they backed ASALA) for more than 25 years.

    Turkey has the best playground for the CIA and is the most interesting theater for US Covert Ops.

    Read Victor Ostrovsky's ''Web of the Mossad'' and research Operation Gladio.

    It'a also proven that the Gulenists in the police and armycorps worked together with PKK-members. Thats the reason why almost every operation against the PKK-terrorists was unsuccesfull.

    I dont think you have enough knowledge about this subject.

    I will come with more info soon.

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  Militarov on Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:38 pm

    The Ottoman wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    What i am interested in is, who is supplying you with drugs, coz it seems to be some high quality shit.

    I dont see anything US made on those photos for a start.

    And these ?














    Militarov wrote:
    Then claiming how PKK has some connection with US as ultimate goal aganist Turkey... really? You, Turks, the nation that sucked more US balls even than Baltic states... are you nuts?

    Yes, the USA and German, Israëli and French intelligence are backing the PKK (and before the PKK they backed ASALA) for more than 25 years.

    Turkey has the best playground for the CIA and is the most interesting theater for US Covert Ops.

    Read Victor Ostrovsky's ''Web of the Mossad'' and research Operation Gladio.

    It'a also proven that the Gulenists in the police and armycorps worked together with PKK-members. Thats the reason why almost every operation against the PKK-terrorists was unsuccesfull.

    I dont think you have enough knowledge about this subject.

    I will come with more info soon.

    Are you sure you are Turk? Coz you either do not read turkish or you are trolling us here. Zagros is homemade rifle, has nothing to do with US.

    Dragunov is American? Good to know, i learn new shit every day.

    M16A4 photo you posted has nothing to do with Kurds its from Wikimedia article about M16. Now seriously...

    US, Germany, France, Italy, Canada, Belgium and dozen of other countries delivered small arms to Kurds in Syria, even Serbian weapons procured by NATO members you can find there, there is nothing shady about it. However still lion part of their equipment are not from that source.

    There is no question about NATO supplying Kurds with weapons in Syria to fight ISIS, not a single one, that is well known and well documented operation. However saying it has something to do with US trying to destroy mighty Turkey, seriously, climb down from the cloud you are riding.

    Victor Ostrovsky as a source? Are you.. insane? He is exactly source as much as Tom Clansy books, please stop humiliating yourself. Operation Gladio has nothing to do with Kurds...Turkish gov was part of whole thing, stop twisting history son.

    Sure, sure... we dont know shit, englight us.

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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  eehnie on Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:06 am


    Right militarov, right. This is only Turkish propaganda from this and the other guy who has a F-16 sign in the signature. No less.

    Well... how to compare the American weapons in Kurdish hands with the Turkish F-16, with the Turkish M60 tanks, with the American ships in the Turkish fleet and with the American nuclear weapons based on Turkey.

    Only to see, the biggest Turkish warships:

    TCG Gaziantep (F-490) ex-USS Clifton Sprague (FFG-16)
    TCG Giresun (F-491) ex-USS Antrim (FFG-20)
    TCG Gemlik (F-492) ex-USS Flatley (FFG-21)
    TCG Gelibolu (F-493) ex-USS Reid (FFG-30)
    TCG Gökçeada (F-494) ex-USS Mahlon S. Tisdale (FFG-27)
    TCG Gediz (F-495) ex-USS John A. Moore (FFG-19)
    TCG Gökova (F-496) ex-USS Samuel Eliot Morison (FFG-13)
    TCG Göksu (F-497) ex-USS Estocin (FFG-15)


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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:28 am

    People... we can disagree without being rude...


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    Re: Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:26 pm

    Just a question, why is there a Doubletap hosted, Ruger event photo being passed as a Turkish seizure of "PKK" weapons? You see all those black weapons with different scopes are Ruger SR 556E with a variety of x4/X6 scopes like Parms/ Leupold (yellow banded), Sch&B and they're brand new from last year's intro of the E model.

    Also the SVD is actually a Turkish captured one, probably the reason the lower receiver is wrapped into that cloth to hide the serration marks from the clamp on bipod. Based on the Chinese NMD 86 bipod.


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