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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:44 am

    Well a commemoration of the defeat of Nazi Germany is probably not worth Obamas precious time... never really like that guy....


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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  cracker on Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:58 pm

    anybody knows if france will be here?
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:03 pm

    Indian president to attend V-Day celebrations in Moscow
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  max steel on Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:28 pm

    George1 wrote:Indian president to attend V-Day celebrations in Moscow



    That's awesome .
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  Viktor on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:16 pm

    India and China presidents will be there - GREAT ... russia
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:39 pm

    Seems like the West will be conspicous by its absense at an event bringing together the world's leading states and economies in 'isolated' Russia this 9th of May Laughing
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:27 pm

    According to this http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1234356.html

    on 9th May parade we will see:

    BТR-МDМ - 12
    BМD-4М - 12

    Kurganets-25 based
    IFVs-12
    APCs-12

    Armata based
    Tanks - 12
    Heavy IFVs - 12

    Boomerangs - 12
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:20 pm

    Here http://www.military-informant.com/news/8529-9-maya-v-moskve-pokazhut-novuyu-russkuyu-armiyu.html also says that we will see Bastion and Bal anti-ship missile complexes for first time in parade as well as and military robots
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:06 pm

    cheers so they ARE showing bumerangs after all. So much for the talks about how they were defective and had severe delays...

    BTW the kurganets seam to have very short guns. Why won't they show the ones with 45mm or 57mm guns ?Sad
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:03 am

    Because there are no ready 45 or 57mm guns to show off.
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:47 am

    At the victory parade for the first time will be shown a new armored car "Тайфун-У"

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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:08 pm

    Good. Nice to see something not from those Kamaz douchebags.
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:10 pm

    TR1 wrote:Because there are no ready 45 or 57mm guns to show off.
    What about all the intensive testing of the 45mm autocannon shown on GurKhan since 2011?
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:43 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Because there are no ready 45 or 57mm guns to show off.
    What about all the intensive testing of the 45mm autocannon shown on GurKhan since 2011?

    Do you have evidence of this "intensive testing"?


    Because I have not heard anything firm since GurKhan showed that pic.
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:58 pm

    Dont you think it's idioticly pessimistic to expect absolutely no progress since then?
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:02 pm

    I think it is foolish to assume progress is being made on something we are not even sure is being ordered/wanted by the military.

    GurKhan posts disinformation all the time.

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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  cracker on Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:00 am

    45mm? i've never heard about it and it's been months i say to myself "why pick between 30 or 57mm, one is too light, the other is overkill, 45mm seems perfect, comparable in size to 40mm of NATO and even more room for HE ammo, and russia had many 45mm systems in the past"....

    Someone can show me what's it's all about? Is it based on post WW2 45mm AA cartridge or WW2 (in fact 1930s) AT gun cartridge?
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:36 am

    It is a brand new design that was played with in the 1980s as a replacement for the 30 x 165mm shell in the Soviet Air Force, Army, and Navy.

    It has a telescopic case and would be a very modern powerful round.

    Rumour has it that the updated 57mm round of the S-60 AAG and ZSU-57-2 SPAAG won because of the larger capacity of the projectile for guided shells and other special newly developed rounds.


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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:40 am

    cracker wrote:45mm? i've never heard about it and it's been months i say to myself "why pick between 30 or 57mm, one is too light, the other is overkill, 45mm seems perfect, comparable in size to 40mm of NATO and even more room for HE ammo, and russia had many 45mm systems in the past"....

    Someone can show me what's it's all about? Is it based on post WW2 45mm AA cartridge or WW2 (in fact 1930s) AT gun cartridge?

    That anti-tank gun was a legend. It was nicknamed Sorokapiadke (Fourtyfiver)
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:16 am

    Chinese troops to take part in Victory Day parade in Moscow

    Chinese leader Xi Jinping is expected to attend the Moscow celebrations of the 70th anniversary of the victory in the Great Patriotic War

    BEIJING, March 26. /TASS/. Chinese servicemen will take part in the Victory Day parade in Moscow's Red Square, a spokesman for the Chinese Defense Ministry said on Thursday.

    "China will send guards of honor to participate in the military parade in Moscow on May 9," the spokesman said.

    Chinese leader Xi Jinping is expected to attend the Moscow celebrations of the 70th anniversary of the victory in the Great Patriotic War.
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:16 am

    Finland's president to skip Victory Day parade in Moscow

    The Ukrainian conflict and international situation are cited as the reason for the president's refusal to take part in the celebrations

    HELSINKI, March 25. /TASS/. Finland's President Sauli Niinisto has no plans to attend the Moscow celebrations of the 70th anniversary of the victory in the Great Patriotic War on May 9, the Finnish Telegraph Bureau reported on Wednesday.

    The bureau quoted the president's office as saying that "the Ukrainian conflict and international situation" were the causes for Niinisto's refusal to take part in the celebrations.

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said last week that 26 heads of state, including the leaders of India, South Africa, Mongolia, Vietnam. Cuba and North Korea, have already confirmed they will attend the celebrations in Moscow.

    "Invitations to the celebrations were sent to 68 heads of state, as well as the UN, UNESCO, Council of Europe and EU chiefs," Lavrov said.
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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:30 am

    With western IFVs weighing about the same as a WWII T-34 tank (about 32 tons or more) the 30mm cannon of today just doesn't cut it in terms of reliably defeating enemy IFVS... which is a primary purpose of the main cannon on an IFV... defeat enemy IFVs, and carry missiles able to defeat tanks.

    that means a 57mm gun plus Kornet-EM missiles would be an ideal combination... the 57mm gun has enough HE fire power to replace the old 100mm rifled gun and rather more armour piercing power to defeat armour than the 30mm will ever have.

    It also offers the potential for laser beam riding 57mm HE rounds for use against aircraft and ground targets out to about 16km in the naval version.

    Note there is a naval 57mm equivalent but no current 45mm equivalent in service so new ammo could be developed for both weapons.



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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  Vympel on Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:02 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHmj5mN5w2o

    This video is entitled 'BMP-3 is preparing to participate in the Victory Day parade'.

    If the model shown in the video is the same model as that being currently produced for the army (i.e. this is, what, the third iteration of BMP-3 orders for the army?) - then they've upgraded the 'base' Army model again. The gunner's sight has been upgraded with that of the BMP-3M (i.e. it finally has a thermal imaging channel), but contrary to the BMP-3M prototypes, the old lamp-style IR searchlight on the commander's cupola has been upgraded with the newer, PL-1 square laser searchlight that is prevalent on Russian vehicles nowadays (i.e. BTR-82A, upgraded BMD-2s, etc).

    We'll find out close to parade day, I guess.

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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  akd on Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:22 pm

    Vympel wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHmj5mN5w2o

    This video is entitled 'BMP-3 is preparing to participate in the Victory Day parade'.

    If the model shown in the video is the same model as that being currently produced for the army (i.e. this is, what, the third iteration of BMP-3 orders for the army?) - then they've upgraded the 'base' Army model again. The gunner's sight has been upgraded with that of the BMP-3M (i.e. it finally has a thermal imaging channel), but contrary to the BMP-3M prototypes, the old lamp-style IR searchlight on the commander's cupola has been upgraded with the newer, PL-1 square laser searchlight that is prevalent on Russian vehicles nowadays (i.e. BTR-82A, upgraded BMD-2s, etc).

    We'll find out close to parade day, I guess.

    These BMP-3Ms are currently being produced for Azerbaijan, so not necessarily.

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    Re: 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade:

    Post  cracker on Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:42 pm

    GarryB wrote:It is a brand new design that was played with in the 1980s as a replacement for the 30 x 165mm shell in the Soviet Air Force, Army, and Navy.

    It has a telescopic case and would be a very modern powerful round.

    Rumour has it that the updated 57mm round of the S-60 AAG and ZSU-57-2 SPAAG won because of the larger capacity of the projectile for guided shells and other special newly developed rounds.

    are you sure about that 45mm? It seems to me they would use the 45mm post war naval thing, as described here it's a big mean cartridge more powerful than classic WW2 AT gun cartridge (and other various 45mm like YAK 9 gun or early 45mm AA)

    http://russianammo.org/Russian_Ammunition_Page_57mm.html

    "45x386SR 45mm SM-20-ZIF1 and ZIF-68-1 anti aircraft gun"

    http://russianammo.org/45naval1.jpg

    "900m/s HE" claimed on tony williams' website. Pretty mean mofo of a round.

    But 57mm may be the right choice indeed. After all the 57mm is not even much bigger than the 45mm (case is even shorter)! so it would be possible to carry as much 57mm as 45mm, the choice is indeed obvious.


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    cracker wrote:45mm? i've never heard about it and it's been months i say to myself "why pick between 30 or 57mm, one is too light, the other is overkill, 45mm seems perfect, comparable in size to 40mm of NATO and even more room for HE ammo, and russia had many 45mm systems in the past"....

    Someone can show me what's it's all about? Is it based on post WW2 45mm AA cartridge or WW2 (in fact 1930s) AT gun cartridge?

    That anti-tank gun was a legend. It was nicknamed Sorokapiadke (Fourtyfiver)

    I know, was a good gun, but the M1942 version was a fantastic gun, comparable in penetration to Pak 38 but lighter and with a reliable access to APCR ammo, still was used in korea and scored success against US tanks. As far as i know, M42 ammo was not compatible with earlier short 45mm guns, though the cartridge case was the same.

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