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    Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme

    Post  rkt86 on Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:34 pm

    First phase of ballistic missile shield to be deployed in 2012


    Y. MALLIKARJUN
    HYDERABAD, March 22, 2010

    Notwithstanding the recent failure of the interceptor missile test, the first phase of the indigenous Ballistic Missile Defence System to intercept and destroy incoming enemy missiles of less than 2,000-km range is expected to be deployed in two years.

    Disclosing this to The Hindu recently, V.K. Saraswat, Director-General, Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) and Scientific Adviser to Defence Minister, said the first phase would be made operational through the new concept of ‘capability-based deployment.' The Air Defence Programme has been divided into two parts — depending upon the threat perception. While the first category of threats pertains to enemy missiles with less than 2,000-km range, the second type belongs to those with more than 2,000 km. Both the phases will have two layers. The aim of the two-tier system is to first destroy an incoming missile, at a higher altitude, in the exo-atmosphere above 50 km. If that does not happen, the endo-atmospheric interception will take place up at the height of 30 km from the earth.

    The DRDO has developed the Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) missile for exo-atmospheric interception and the Advanced Air Defence (AAD) system for endo-atmosphere interception.

    With a fresh interceptor missile test in the endo-atmosphere planned in a couple of months, some more trials were planned for 2010-11 and 2011-12 to ensure reliability, repeatability and suitability for deploying phase-1assets, Dr. Saraswat said.

    Simultaneously, DRDO scientists have started work on phase-II solutions. It requires radars of longer range and new hypersonic interceptor missiles flying at Mach 6 with agility and the capability to discriminate against ballistic missile defence counter measures. “Our effort is to have interception at very high altitudes, and the entire system will be able to handle multiple, simultaneous attacks,” he said.

    A crucial requirement for the second phase is a floating test-range — a complete launch station from which interceptors will be fired. Scientists have started designing the ship and associated systems such as radar, mission control centre, launch control centre, communication network and many other equipment needed for phase-II trials.

    The ‘capability-based deployment,' under which a system would be put to use, as it got perfected, had paid rich dividends for some countries, Dr. Saraswat said. The entire work on the two phases was planned to be completed by 2016.

    http://beta.thehindu.com/news/article261220.ece

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    Re: Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme

    Post  f-insas on Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:30 pm

    claim and reality differ much my friend

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    Re: Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme

    Post  Corrosion on Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:37 pm

    Actually the date is 2014 for Delhi only. Other major cities will follow only after that. But these sort of things are only state secrets and only general statements are provided for public consumption.

    BTW I won't be surprised, if they already have something in place for a city like Delhi where ministers/VIPs live.

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    Post  Pervius on Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:56 pm

    Wouldn't it be ironic if Indian Air Defense detected several meteorites falling down to Earth and thought they were missiles, fired off a volley at them....

    Which resulted in China sending missiles their way? ....Thought India was firing at them?

    We're going to reach a point where something like this will occur.

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    Re: Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:04 am

    Ballistic missiles have a ballistic path so a very short period of tracking will allow a simple calculation to determine the target.

    Ballistic missiles fall back to earth and are great for hitting targets on the earths surface, but not much good for intercepting things from space.

    If India detects incoming threats from space and launches missiles to intercept the only thing the Chinese could misinterpret that is would be an attempt to shoot down satellites.

    I would think if India detected an incoming threat... which is perfectly plausible, the first thing they would do is alert other countries to the danger and launch missiles at the same time in the hope that other adequately equipped countries might launch interceptor missiles if they have them too.

    Of course intercepting ballistic targets with a range of 2,000km or less is not easy, but PAC-3 Patriot plus Israels ARROW and also THAAD, and a number of Soviet large long range SAMs could already perform such a role. For weapons with greater than 2,000km range there are a few missiles that could still cope both in service and in development like the S-400 and S-500.

    Not an easy task.

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    AIR DEFENCE INTERCEPTOR MISSILE SUCCESSFULLY DESTROYS BALLISTIC MISSILE

    Post  Sujoy on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:18 am

    The following is the DRDO press release :


    The Interceptor Missile AAD launched by the Scientists of DRDO from Wheeler’s Island, Odisha successfully destroyed the incoming Ballistic Missile at an altitude of 15 Kms. The interception took place at 12.52hrs. The target missile, a modified version of Prithvi, mimicking the enemy’s ballistic missile, was launched from Launch Complex III, Chandipur.

    Long Range Radar and MFC Radar located far away could detect the Missile from take-off and tracked it through its entire path. The total trajectory of the incoming Missile was continuously estimated by the guidance computer and subsequently the AAD Missile was launched at an appropriate time to counter and kill the ballistic missile.

    The Ring Laser Gyro based Navigation System in Target, Fibre Optic Gyro based INS in Interceptor, Onboard computers, Guidance systems, Actuation Systems and the critical RF Seekers used for the terminal phase have performed excellently. The AAD Missile system initially guided by Inertial Navigation system was continuously getting update of the target position by the Radar through a data link. The Radio Frequency (RF) seeker tracked the Missile & Onboard computer guided the Missile towards the Target Missile and hit the target. The Radio Proximity Fuse (RPF) exploded the warhead thereby destroying the target missile completely.

    In this mission, a special feature of intercepting multiple target with multiple interceptor was demonstrated successfully. An electronic target with a range of 1500 Kms was launched and the Radars picked up the target missile, tracked the target missile subsequently & launched an electronic interceptor missile. This electronic interceptor missile destroyed the electronic target missile at an altitude of 120 Kms. All the four missiles were tracked by the Radars and all the guidance and launch computers operated in full operational mode for handling multiple targets with multiple interceptor. All the four missiles were in the sky simultaneously and both the interceptions took place near simultaneously. This has proved the capability of DRDO to handle multiple targets with multiple interceptors simultaneously. The complete Radar Systems, Communication Networks, Launch Computers, Target update Systems and state of the art Avionics have been completely proven in this Mission.

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:22 am

    Nice!

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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:19 am

    Is there any more info and pics of the interceptor?

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    Post  Viktor on Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:02 pm

    I have a felling India while testing its antimissile systems conduits more complex scenarios than Americans Very Happy

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    Re: Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme

    Post  Sujoy on Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:32 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Is there any more info and pics of the interceptor?
    Here you go

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vAyRhIH-9cE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wX7NCLTqQ_w

    Viktor wrote:I have a felling India while testing its antimissile systems conduits more complex scenarios than Americans Very Happy

    I wish that was the case Sad since India faces a far greater threat from Ballistic and Cruise missiles than the Yankees.

    Firstly, the DRDO-released video of the interception clearly showed that the AAD interceptor’s warhead was detonated through proximity-fuzing & it wasn’t a hit-to-kill event. Secondly, incoming Prithvi-based target missile’s terminal velocity was way below that of an incoming solid fuel-powered missile, as clearly shown by the video-clip. Thirdly, it is still highly premature to claim that A) the special feature of intercepting multiple target with multiple interceptor was demonstrated successfully. B) This has proved the capability of DRDO to handle multiple targets with multiple interceptors simultaneously.

    All claims about four ‘electronic’ targets being successfully engaged at an altitudes of 120km by ‘electronically generated’ interceptor vehicles only prove the fact that the DRDO’s BMD launch control centre’s (LCC) architecture, inclusive of the launch control section, simulation section & shadow mission control centre (MCC) section, is just an end-to-end theatre missile defence simulator that was acquired by the DRDO from Israel’s Tadiran Electronic Systems almost a decade ago . Undertaking such laboratory-level electronic interceptions with imported & expensive hardware is fine for technology demonstrations, but not for operational air-defence networks where actual battlefield conditions, vagaries of the weather & EMI considerations have to be factored in for demonstrating the robustness of the air-defence network. Until, this happens, nothing else done so far conclusively proves the DRDO’s capability to handle multiple targets with multiple interceptors simultaneously.

    In reality, neither the long-awaited PDV nor the AD-1 or AD-2 (which by the DRDO’s own admission will form the definitive interceptor-missiles for India’s BMD system) have materialised as yet. Only after these three new-generation interceptor-missiles are subjected to actual test-firings against solid-fuelled ballistic missiles like Agni-1 & Agni-2 will one be able to compile a realistic appreciation of the true capabilities of a TMD/BMD system.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:48 pm

    I have a felling India while testing its antimissile systems conduits more complex scenarios than Americans

    Soviets were the same... I have read about tank tests on a gun range where the official turns up and states that the test will now be carried out at another range 500km away and that all the vehicles taking part in the test with their crews will fuel up and drive to the new test range and conduct the test when they arrive.

    I have heard similar things about air defence units that have to drive for 8-10 hours to get to the test area for the test.

    Keeps them on their toes and is more realistic.


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    Re: Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:55 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    Here you go

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vAyRhIH-9cE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wX7NCLTqQ_w

    Thanks.

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    Re: Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme

    Post  Sujoy on Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:35 pm

    Viktor wrote: Russian delegation at India-2013 made some harsh remarks on India-USA corporation and weapons sales.

    It could be that India might buy some to fill the time gap until its own is developed/tested/introduced.

    Viktor , you raise some important observations so please bear with me as I explain to you .

    The "harsh" words of the Russian delegation ( read Rosoboronexport) were directed towards the Indian media who the Russian delegation said were biased towards the US . Now , while there is a grain of truth in this observation of Rosoboronexport it is important to remember that those individuals in the Indian media who patronizes US products do so because they are on the payrolls of US defense contractors . In other words they are mercenaries . If Rosoboronexport pays them they will rub eloquence on Russian manufacturers as well . It's that simple .

    Regarding the purchase of S 300 V , India had already purchased 6 batteries of S 300 PMU2 in the mid nineties to counter Chinese and Pakistani IRBMs ( The Govt.of India does not acknowledge this deal in public because allegedly money exchanged hands under table )

    http://www.rediff.in/news/mar/26russi1.htm

    I agree with you that going forward India may well place order for S 300 V or even the S 400 .

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    Post  Viktor on Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:07 pm

    Sorry Sujoy but I found not evidence of India S-300 although there has been much talk about it.

    I have found however that India acquired few or maybe even several 36D6 EW radar system but no missiles where bought.

    I think of Russian point of view in regard to India AD system is practically nonexistent considering the threats from China and Pakistan.

    Fighters are good but not sufficient alone as airfields can come under severe ballistic and cruise missile attack and even bombers stand

    off weapons which is in arsenal of every country with more than few fighters.

    Thats where effective AD system comes in the play.









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    Post  Sujoy on Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:35 pm

    Viktor wrote:Sorry Sujoy but I found not evidence of India S-300 although there has been much talk about it.

    Yes , that's true , as I said in my earlier post that the Govt Of India did not disclose it . Here are a few more links about S 300 sold to India .


    http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/s-300pmu.htm

    Since 1995 India has been negotiating with Russia regarding purchase of the S-300, in response to Pakistan's deployment of M-11 missiles from China. In 1995 Russian Defense Deputy Minister Kokoshin offered to sell S-300 missiles during his trip to India. Following this offer Indian officials started negotiations with the Russian manufacturers, and in August 1995 the Indian Defense Secretary Nambiar went to Russia to observe tests of the missiles near Moscow. The $1 billion purchase is said to include six S-300 systems, with each combat system consisting of 48 missiles. Reportedly in June 1996 27 S-300 missiles were delivered to India.


    http://www.defensenews.com/article/20120410/DEFREG03/304100001/India-Boost-Airfield-Defenses


    The air defense system of the Indian Air Force is being further strengthened with new inductions and integration of weapons and modern sensors,” Antony said. “All airfields of IAF are being upgraded in a phased manner with modern navigation equipment and runway aids.”

    Currently, the Air Force is using Russian-made Osaka and Pechora systems, and eight squadrons of homemade Akash medium-range surface-to-air missile systems have been ordered in the last two years.

    The Russian S-300 anti-tactical ballistic missile system also is in use, while a homemade anti-missile missile system, the Pad-3, is under development by the Defence Research and Development Organisation.


    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Today/Contemporary/325-SAD.html


    Further to these developments, news began leaking out about the deployment from 1998 onwards of an Anti-tactical Ballistic Missile screen. This system is to comprise the Russian S-300V ATBM (SA-12) and India's own 'Akash' missile which has a considerable ATBM capability. In March 1997, the Indian press confirmed these reports, stating that one S-300V squadron was being purchased, with more to come in the future

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    Re: Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme

    Post  Viktor on Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:02 pm

    Interesting, so what India has S-300PMU1 (1996 model S-300) and S-300V. Where are they placed?

    But no pictures. I dont know what to believe. Why do you thing there where no pictures about it?

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    Post  Sujoy on Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:24 pm

    Viktor wrote:Interesting, so what India has S-300PMU1 (1996 model S-300) and S-300V. Where are they placed?

    I do not know but during the 1999 border war with Pakistan a minister in the central govt had said that S 300 is protecting New Delhi . AFAIK 6 batteries of S 300 PMU2 were purchased to protect as many locations .

    Viktor wrote:But no pictures. I dont know what to believe. Why do you thing there where no pictures about it?

    The Govt did not announce this deal . It was reported by certain sections of the media who have embedded sources in the Govt. Lack of transparency in defense purchases are nothing new in India and till recently arms dealers were able to swing deals either way . http://news.webindia123.com/news/Articles/India/20120508/1980276.html

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    Re: Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme

    Post  Viktor on Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:52 pm

    Sujoy wrote:I do not know but during the 1999 border war with Pakistan a minister in the central govt had said that S 300 is protecting New Delhi . AFAIK 6 batteries of S 300 PMU2 were purchased to protect as many locations .

    I know of that event and that statement. But the only picture that might relate India and S-300 from my point of view is that picture
    of 36D6 EW radar standing alone with no missiles around it. Perhaps I`m wrong but we will see.

    Sujoy wrote:The Govt did not announce this deal . It was reported by certain sections of the media who have embedded sources in the Govt. Lack of transparency in defense purchases are nothing new in India and till recently arms dealers were able to swing deals either way . http://news.webindia123.com/news/Articles/India/20120508/1980276.html

    Lack of transparency in defense purchases is nothing new in any country in the world but still we all see that India regularly brags
    around with its best stuff on military parades, exercises and so on. Pictures of all its stuff whether they are bought in transparent or non-transparent way are always there for us to see them and so in picture regard India is transparent as one can be. That`s the main reason I have troubles believing in India S-300, because I think we would have seen it by now for sure if S-300 was bought. But I`m aware I could be dead wrong on this Very Happy .

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    Post  Sujoy on Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:10 pm

    Viktor wrote: but still we all see that India regularly brags
    around with its best stuff on military parades, exercises and so on.

    And we the taxpayers bear the burnt of such mindless expenditures . First DRDO and HAL will spend billions of taxpayers money trying to develop a system and will eventually import it . Right now DRDO is busy developing an ICBM called AGNI 6 and a TBM called Prahar . Both unwarranted , but someone's inflated ego is involved so what the heck .

    Viktor wrote:That`s the main reason I have troubles believing in India S-300, because I think we would have seen it by now for sure if S-300 was bought. But I`m aware I could be dead wrong on this Very Happy .

    x2 . Actually your guess is as good as mine . If I ask 10 people in India about the S 300 purchase , 5 will say yes and another 5 will say no . Very Happy

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    Post  ricky123 on Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:44 pm

    india wont buy s300 or s400 anyways .... india is keen to have its own missile defense .and maybe a joint venture with israel .....although i would preffer russia ...

    but with recent curruption charges i dont think any defense deal is going thru soon with elections around the corner .....

    russia should seriously think about making india a partner rather then a customer ..

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:23 pm

    Making a partnership would probably just complicate a timely fix to the gaping holes in Indian strategic AD.

    In the long term, it might be a good idea.

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    Post  Viktor on Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:44 pm

    ricky123 wrote: but with recent curruption charges i dont think any defense deal is going thru soon with elections around the corner .....

    Well this could be the chance for Russia.


    ricky123 wrote: russia should seriously think about making india a partner rather then a customer ..


    As TR1 said, in the development of future system yes, but in the short term - there is simply no time.

    As I see it as of this point India does not have any serious AD network and making one for the size of India would require significant

    investment much more than some of India largest acquisition programs. Only than joint programs with Russia would make sense.




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    Re: Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme

    Post  Sujoy on Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:25 am

    I seriously doubt whether the US will allow Russia to sell S 300V4 or S 400 to any country , including India .

    India's BMD system has received sufficient inputs from Russia so it should shape up to be a great system.

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:39 am

    What could US do to stop Russia from selling any SAM to India?

    Nothing. Russia has marketed them all over the world in the past.

    Yeltsin is not around bowing to whatever is told to him, and India is under no sanctions like Iran, or international "pariah" status.

    China has been buying up S-300 and looks to be a certain customer for S-400. The US would be even more concerned about that, but what can they do? Nada.

    Russia has even delivered SAMs to Syria while the civil uprisings were already happening, if the US can't stop that, well...

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:15 am

    I seriously doubt whether the US will allow Russia to sell S 300V4 or S 400 to any country , including India .

    India's BMD system has received sufficient inputs from Russia so it should shape up to be a great system.

    No disrespect Sujoy, but India working on BMD and ignoring an integrated air defence network is like making sure the doors are locked in a house with no walls or roof.

    There is no point spending a fortune protecting yourself from BMs when cheap and simple cruise missiles can penetrate you defences.

    BTW The US simply has no say as to whom Russia sells military equipment, and can hardly lecture any country on arms exports...

    Export versions that are hardly top of the shelf . The S 300 can be exported but not the S 300V4 which is what India would need

    India wouldn't get S-300V4, they would get Antei-2500M most likely, with all the features they want. It would be easier for the US to protest the export of nuclear powered subs to India... but they haven't.

    The US still blocked the sale of Arrow 3 to India in the early part of the last decade . India only has earlier version of the S 300 PMU 2 which it bought in the mid 90s.

    The US has leverage over Israeli components only. As long as India buys the Antei-2500 and doesn't want lots of Israeli bits they should be fine.

    Two things here . First, Russia only sells the export version of the S 300 to China knowing fully well that China will reverse engineer the technology . China bought the S-300PMU-2 and then reverse engineered it to produce the HQ 18.

    Second , China unlike India is a superpower so there is hardly anything that the US can do . China manipulates it's currency regularly to make it's exports cheaper . What has the US been able to do ? Zip, zero , zilch .

    point one is why Russia would prefer to sell to India than to China, point two the US has long supported Pakistan yet has never blocked any India/Russia deal including Brahmos, Su-30MKI, or the SSNs Russia leases to India.


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