No need to apologize buddy, I know this particular corner of Europe can be very confusing place. And I wasn't upset or anything, I just wanted to deliver a lot of, possibly off topic, informations at once. Plus my brand of humor sometimes translates poorly in written form.
So about NATO, you assessment is spot-on. 95% of people here hate their guts
and it won't change any time soon (as in decades or even century).
Other 5% either don't care anymore or are either ultra liberal sellouts or traitors who whore themselves for money but you have that type of scum anywhere.
And I mean we really hate them. We may not talk about it 24/7 but that is what everyone is thinking. Ask around and you'll get the picture. Back when 9/11 happened a lot of reactions here were less than politically correct to say the least. Same with US an NATO war losses in Afghanistan and Iraq and everywhere else, you see where I'm going with this.
Whole thing is made even worse due to the fact that until 90's we Serbs considered countries like USA, UK and France allies, not the enemies.
We fought on same sides in 2 world wars so you can only imagine kind of betrayal everyone here feels.
Still we know that we have very shitty geographical location so we have to play nice
ATM, self-preservation and all that, but that does not affect our overall opinion of them. They are hypocritical scum who kill civilians, cooperate (in this particular region) with jihadists, slave traders and heroin traffickers (KLA, Bosnian mujahedin, etc) and sooner NATO organisation disappears (not countries, just institution) better off the world will be.
As for Macedonia, nobody here was surprised, it has been cooking for a long time. But now with Turk Stream and Ukraine fiasco, KLA have been given green light by USA to do their thing. In fact Serbian intelligence services warned Macedonian government that something is up six weeks before
s*it hit the fan but I guess they were in denial. Not anymore.
I don't know how everything will play out but it does not look good. Macedonia is dirt poor and split 50/50 on ethnic basis. All KLA needs to do is to wait for USA to say "OK" and war starts.
Like I said, Turk Stream + Ukraine = Macedonian crisis.
Hope it helps, if you need to know anything else just ask.
no offense taken in any sense, personally i still felt i should have put my toughts in better words. just saying, i could see why someone might taken my words the way i did not meanth them to be.
in advance before i reply to the rest of your message. thanks again for your insights regarding Serbia. for people like me, its more the lack of opportunity's to catch up to what the "everyday" Serbian feels about matters. if you know what i mean.
i was never part of what happened there, i was still an kid on school when that all happened with Serbia. i just talked to a handfull of Serbians, first somewhat distrusting me at first hand untill i basically unasked shared my views on some NATO related stuff they opened up themselves. after some drinks, some rather emotional about how NATO bombed target's they could not classify even remotely as "military". and i was just guzzling booze down as hard as they are. its more or less "building bridges" when talking sensitive stuff between foreign soldiers. again, i agreed with their interpretations.
both from what i read in history and from my own millitary there was always this deep link between Serbia and Russia. NATO intelligence briefings labeled it as "Russian propagandist influence" of course. i know its different, that there are some deep cultural connections between Serbia and Russia.
as far as hating NATO i do not blame you guys, Serbia was an problem in the U.S its foreign policy that got Serbia bombed in the air campaign. and Serbian target's that where purely civilian/infrastructure related.
you can understand of course if i believed the crap my own side NATO kept trying to shove down my throat that ten years i would not be on this forum in the first place.
i understand the feelings after 9/11. the feeling would propably be "what goes around, comes around" right?. that they deserved that with their foreign millitary campaigns and got bitten in the rear for it.
about the casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, lets just say i am rather happy with i got out with my body intact.
some that do the field-work in NATO's structure as troops do more or less "deserve" what is considered "occupational hazard". its the kind of people that consider the local population as "sand-monkey's" or give them other degenerate classifications while these people are just trying to get trough life. witch i can not classify anything else as than having an "imperial colonial" mindset. but its condoned by the "exceptional nation" of course. the ones that disagree like me are just often worked out of the chain so we do not get in the way of the U.S.
i am really no saint myself, i done some things myself i am not so sure i should be proud off. things when i think about it i still think it was necessary when i made the decision. some things really just take a moment to do it, and you ask yourself if it was a right decision afterwards. and seeing the U.S rampaging as some elephant in glass shop in Iraq and Afghanistan leaving destruction and death in its wake without reason, seeing their congress and white house drown in their own self-centered self righteous beliefs they are exceptional to do what they do.
In other threads i touched upon NATO's policy's, and why i honestly hate them with every bone in my body. not all NATO troops are bad, those from the EU and Australia at least. some of "us" tried to tell our media about what happened really in Afghanistan and Iraq. the MS Media just reported those guys to the military, an arrest followed by an dishonorable discharge for "being an security risk". anyway, i understand why people negatively affected by NATO feels that way. Serbia being one example.
i dont know, i fully understand the serbian point of view about not giving an shit about NATO casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq. its just a bit more an grey area for me. not every NATO soldier went to those country's believing in the WOT. and about 25 percent knew they where there to clean up the U.S's its CIA mess of the Soviet-Afghan war.
i understand the feeling of betrayal with the history of war in europe. not just with Serbia but its still an point i am ashamed with the 9th may celebrations with Russia where it was almost fully boycotted by the EU. over Ukraine that's ruled by the same scum we fought together in world war 2. my grandfather was an cavalarist and died defending his dying horse that got caught in an spray of an PZ-3 Coax. the german SS Panzer 3 did not even wasted its ammo and just ran him over together with his horse. i never forget world war 2, and what the people of Serbia participated in that together with other country's the Western media likes to shove under the carpet at the moment.
there is no excuse for what NATO did in the serbian campaign. i never was part of it, but at least take my word for it i would never be part of such insanity.
about NATO's contacts with local insurgents, its not just there. in 2008 there was this ambush of French troops around Kabul, Afghanistan. the Italians that did the job before the French struck a deal with the local Taliban to not attack them, involving millions in payment. as an result the French took over and severely underestimated Taliban forces. and got slaughtered unprepared.
same with Afghanistan, i was part of Airborne Recon for an while. if we got too close to some of Karzai's fammily or CIA assets we got called off those targets. since "it was better to have them on your hand than against you".
more like having NATO corrupt stooges around. we never got an honest answer of course.
i fully agree about getting rid of NATO's command. and hopefully purge a lot of high ranking EU officers in the process. they just follow U.S commands anyway and have no loyalty to their own troops or country.
NATO has no moral compass, if it can influence, equip and finance an "force" to do their foreign policy goals it does. it does not matter indeed if its Mujaheddin, KLA or whatever scum they can use.
i mentioned before in other threads, but my jobs where not only just front line combat.
its why im pretty much foaming at the mouth seeing the Ukraine scenario trying to get repeated in Macedonia, because its the exact same thing the U.S does in Iraq/Afghanistan with "proxy-warfare". and worst of that it really does not matter how many people die in the process.
maybe one of these days one of these military projections of american exceptionalism, aka "Aircraft Carrier" gets blown up and send sinking to the bottom of the sea together with its escort fleet.
i know about the KLA, if not for NATO support they would have been smashed a while ago. another point of frustration on my part being an NATO EU "specialist". supporting unprofessional homicidal splinter groups. on part of the KLA, "an greater Albania". seriously?. like Serbia, Macedonia and Greece are going to surrender parts of their territory to let that happen.
personally, i like to work to solutions. not short-term short-sighted, narrow-mindedness by assholes like MCcain trying to plunge the entire earth in flames of war and death.
like you pointed out PapaDragon this recent KLA move is no coincidence, they indeed gotten the green light by the U.S. 40 plus/minus guys do not show up out of nowhere from Kosovo into Macedonia.
i really dislike hyping up volatile situations. i rather see this Macedonia situation rather just blow over. not only for our member Macedonian. but also that NATO's war mongering has to stop. trying to meddle with internal affairs to turn things to its advantage of its foreign policy.
Macedonia might be poor economically, by Serbian Intel or not the Macedonian Anti-Terror units did caught those 40 +/- KLA insurgents off guard. someone is keeping an eye out for them. coincidence's in these things do not exist.
and if i got a question next time, ill definatly ask!. thank you!