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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:21 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Back up plan for LNG to Europe when the pipes through Ukraine are shut at the end of 2019 and NordStream2 is late?

    I'd say this is secondary reason. First is south east Asia. India alone.... China, Korea, Japan, Thailand, Philippines, Vietnam or Indonesia is like 2/3 world's population that is rapidly getting richer (lookat GDP % ) so they need energy.
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:54 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Back up plan for LNG to Europe when the pipes through Ukraine are shut at the end of 2019 and NordStream2 is late?

    I'd say this is secondary reason. First is south east Asia.  India alone.... China, Korea, Japan, Thailand, Philippines,  Vietnam or Indonesia is like 2/3 world's population that is rapidly getting richer (lookat GDP % ) so they need energy.
    Agreed but why would the need an ice breaker LNG tanker?
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:04 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Back up plan for LNG to Europe when the pipes through Ukraine are shut at the end of 2019 and NordStream2 is late?

    I'd say this is secondary reason. First is south east Asia.  India alone.... China, Korea, Japan, Thailand, Philippines,  Vietnam or Indonesia is like 2/3 world's population that is rapidly getting richer (lookat GDP % ) so they need energy.
    Agreed but why would the need an ice breaker LNG tanker?

    Like I said, Port Sabetta and Yamal gas field. That's their primary loading point. It's located in Arctic circle.

    Other tours like Norway are just bonus.
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:45 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Back up plan for LNG to Europe when the pipes through Ukraine are shut at the end of 2019 and NordStream2 is late?

    I'd say this is secondary reason. First is south east Asia.  India alone.... China, Korea, Japan, Thailand, Philippines,  Vietnam or Indonesia is like 2/3 world's population that is rapidly getting richer (lookat GDP % ) so they need energy.
    Agreed but why would the need an ice breaker LNG tanker?

    Like I said, Port Sabetta and Yamal gas field. That's their primary loading point. It's located in Arctic circle.

    Other tours like Norway are just bonus.

    in short -  northern route? + future underwater robotic gas mines?
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  kvs on Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:24 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Back up plan for LNG to Europe when the pipes through Ukraine are shut at the end of 2019 and NordStream2 is late?

    Correct, come 2019 Ukraine is getting unplugged from gas transit infrastructure. They will keep selling them gas but it will be trough likeable middle man such as Slovakia like they do already.

    No. These ships do not have anywhere near the capacity to replace the gas flow via Ukraine. Only Nordstream II has this ability.


    Those 15 ships will be hauling LNG from Yamal gas field out of Port Sabetta to anywhere from EU to East Asia.

    Russia is transitioning to LNG exports with the generous assistance of hysterical anti-Russian propaganda spewed by NATO. American LNG will have
    to compete with Russian LNG for the global market. America has zero export capacity all their bleating about fracked gas notwithstanding. America
    imports natural gas.


    Original plan was to have icebreakers accompany tankers but apparently they can operate on their own 6 months​ a year (at least) as de Margery just demonstrated. So even better (and cost effective).

    Actually, they are rated for ice over 2 meters thick and designed to operate year round. The era of 3+ meter thick ice is gone in the Arctic. The typical
    ice thickness maximum is now under 2 meters. (Of course ice can pile up in places to be thicker but these locations are relatively rare).


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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  kvs on Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:29 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Back up plan for LNG to Europe when the pipes through Ukraine are shut at the end of 2019 and NordStream2 is late?

    I'd say this is secondary reason. First is south east Asia.  India alone.... China, Korea, Japan, Thailand, Philippines,  Vietnam or Indonesia is like 2/3 world's population that is rapidly getting richer (lookat GDP % ) so they need energy.
    Agreed but why would the need an ice breaker LNG tanker?

    Like I said, Port Sabetta and Yamal gas field. That's their primary loading point. It's located in Arctic circle.

    Other tours like Norway are just bonus.

    in short -  northern route? + future underwater robotic gas mines?

    Gas extraction from seabed sources occurs as with oil via surface oil rigs. Robotic drilling is today a myth. They don't even have such facilities
    on land. Likely there will be seabed robotic pumping stations carrying gas/oil from the Arctic seabed to the coast but only after surface rigs
    with human workers have done all the drilling and installation.
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:43 am

    kvs wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Back up plan for LNG to Europe when the pipes through Ukraine are shut at the end of 2019 and NordStream2 is late?

    I'd say this is secondary reason. First is south east Asia.  India alone.... China, Korea, Japan, Thailand, Philippines,  Vietnam or Indonesia is like 2/3 world's population that is rapidly getting richer (lookat GDP % ) so they need energy.
    Agreed but why would the need an ice breaker LNG tanker?

    Like I said, Port Sabetta and Yamal gas field. That's their primary loading point. It's located in Arctic circle.

    Other tours like Norway are just bonus.

    in short -  northern route? + future underwater robotic gas mines?

    Gas extraction from seabed sources occurs as with oil via surface oil rigs.    Robotic drilling is today a myth.    They don't even have such facilities
    on land.    Likely there will be seabed robotic pumping stations carrying gas/oil from the Arctic seabed to the coast but only after surface rigs
    with human workers have done all the drilling and installation.

    Not yet, but you also doo nto build LNG tanker fleet in 0 time, or am I wrong? Smile


    Underwater drilling robot for the Arctic can appear in five years

    ARKHANGELSK, March 29 - RIA Novosti. Underwater robot for drilling under the ice of the Arctic Ocean may appear in five years, said the chief designer of the Central Design Bureau of Marine Engineering "Rubin" Yevgeny Toropov.

    By 2018, they will develop prototypes of underwater robots for the development of the Arctic
    "It is advisable to create a stand for the implementation of such an underwater drilling complex.This is a common practice in the defense sector to use the more economical financing schemes to develop a project within the next five years, to produce and test an underwater drilling robot onshore and at sea," Toropov said. forum "The Arctic is the Territory of Dialogue".
    According to him, the underwater drilling robot is the central element of the underwater drilling complex, which is being developed under the auspices of the Foundation for Advanced Research (FPI) within the framework of the Iceberg project.
    As previously stated by RIA Novosti, the head of the design group for the direction of physical and technical research FPI Victor Litvinenko, Russian scientists are developing the world's first civilian nuclear submarine, with which it is supposed to conduct seismic exploration under the ice of the Arctic.
    The Prospective Research Foundation and the Rubin Central Design Bureau for Marine Engineering with the participation of the Defense Ministry, Gazprom, Rosneft, Rosatom and United Shipbuilding Company are working on the possibility of creating equipment for the under-ice development of hydrocarbon deposits in the zone of the year-round ice cover in the Russian Arctic.


    РИА Новости https://ria.ru/science/20170329/1491062865.html
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:27 pm

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    Interesting read (interesting source too)

    The Northern Sea Route is completely ice-free and shipping thrives


    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/2017/09/northern-sea-route-completely-ice-free-and-shipping-thrives
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:43 pm


    Excellent photo report about towns in Arctic:

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/97650/

    Preview:


    Many more in the link, check it out!
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:27 pm


    First South Korean ship completed Arctic route.

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/99822/

    Hyundai Glovis with 44.000 tons of oil from Ust-Luga to Gwangyang
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:44 pm

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    Why Russia is sending robotic submarines to the Arctic

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20171121-why-russia-is-sending-robotic-submarines-to-the-arctic
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:24 am

    PapaDragon wrote:'
    Why Russia is sending robotic submarines to the Arctic

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20171121-why-russia-is-sending-robotic-submarines-to-the-arctic

    BBC anti-Russian drivel makes me cringe.   Poor safety record in nuclear submarines?   F*ck you, lying wankers.
    Give real statistics and not just "seven lost submarines".   How many missions and what actual failure rate?  
    Most of those subs went down because of non-nuclear incidents such as fires from liquid rocket fuel.    The Arctic
    submarine in question and the nuclear power plants on the seabed have nothing to do with rockets.    And the British
    racists at the BBC ignore the fact that Russia has achieved technological progress in nuclear reactors and submarines
    since the 1960s. Reading this hate-filled shit one would think that no such progress has occurred.

    The BBC is bitching at some BS potential accidents from Russian subs in the future while not making a single squeak
    about the massive amount of radiation that Japan has been dumping into the Pacific since 2011.    If you clowns
    pretend to care about nuclear contamination, then don't assign it a nationality.
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:26 am

    Who cares what they write....the dogs bark the caravan moves on
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:12 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Who cares what they write....the dogs bark the caravan moves on



    We all know that those MSM articles contain mandatory amount of horseshit and I expect you all to ignore it as usual and focus on interesting bits.
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:22 am

    If you ignore it you are accepting it as true.

    Call them on it every time they spew their lies, is the only way to deal with those biased arseholes.

    Regarding the content it is amusing considering the history of the UK in particular and Europe in general in raping the planet of all useful resources... it seems they are pissed that only now with the potential tools to take advantage of the more inaccessible resources on the bottom of the ocean under the north pole they no longer have any colonies nearby to exploit those resources for themselves.

    Those Russian bastards... thinking they can increase their military presence in the arctic... I mean just because they are building bases on Russian territory does not mean they can do what they like...

    I mean robot submarines in the Arctic.... obviously military and part of an attack on the UK and US which means the UK and US have to defend themselves by moving their own military assets into the region so they can defend themselves right?

    Imagine the Russians not rolling over to western sanctions and choosing to just give in, but actually taking steps to secure the resources in their economic exclusive zone in the arctic... for themselves... what selfish bastards... I mean the UK would be fine if other countries tried looking for oil or gas resources in the north sea right?

    The UK would not use their military power to prevent other countries looking for resources there would they?


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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:59 pm


    In spirit of holidays Kamaz presented new arctic truck KAMAZ-Arktika

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/102424/




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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:35 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:'
    Why Russia is sending robotic submarines to the Arctic

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20171121-why-russia-is-sending-robotic-submarines-to-the-arctic

    Because this is equivalent of 70s Moon launch rush? 

    Imagine how many robotic (autonomous vehicles level 4 inclusive), electronics, mechatronics, AI or material science technologies will be developed. Most of which dual use so to speak.  Underwater drilling complexes accidentally can can be sued like Chinese artificial islands as A2/AD NATO sub areas. No wonder that international community is concerned. 

    NO possibility to steal it form owners! And no Browders? no McCains? no Soros'es or other British/American "philanthropists" included? ouhg this must hurt.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:36 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
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    Love to ride such suv in city traffic Smile
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:41 pm

    Brilliant little video embedded here. When a little group of intrepid Russians exploring the Arctic in their Toyota 4x4 met the icebreaker Taymyr which powered past pretty close.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BeAQB0lnpvW/?taken-by=oper_11
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:46 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Brilliant little video embedded here. When a little group of intrepid Russians exploring the Arctic in their Toyota 4x4 met the icebreaker Taymyr which powered past pretty close.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BeAQB0lnpvW/?taken-by=oper_11

    Holy hell that monster is fast, it's like there is no ice at all! russia




    Also:

    Arctic version of Mi-171 (A2) has completed tests

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/103100/





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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:31 am

    Holy hell that monster is fast, it's like there is no ice at all!

    Of course it is fast... it is rushin.... Smile russia


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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:50 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Holy hell that monster is fast, it's like there is no ice at all!

    Of course it is fast... it is rushin....  Smile  russia
    Pity we can't upvote that comment!
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    Post  franco on Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:51 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Holy hell that monster is fast, it's like there is no ice at all!

    Of course it is fast... it is rushin....  Smile  russia
    Pity we can't upvote that comment!

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