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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:20 pm

    Hole wrote:Arctic Obsession?
    Why do you post this english Propaganda?

    It was either here or the propaganda thread, since it was on topic, i placed it here.
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  kvs on Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:43 pm

    Hole wrote:Arctic Obsession?
    Why do you post this english Propaganda?

    Funny how they never call Canada's dementia over its Arctic sovereignty an obsession. Canada has been accusing
    the USA, Russia and anyone else of violation of its virginity since some submarines and ships go through the Arctic
    Archipelago without kissing Ottawa's anus first. There is a 7 nautical mile territorial limit in confined waters and some
    of those channels are much wider than 14 nm.



    The route through McClure and Barrow Straits is super wide. Canada must be claiming subsurface rocks as
    genuine islands. But such ploys are BS according to international law. Canada has no right to impede navigation
    based on underwater obstacles.

    For example, Russia must allow Ukraine access through the Kerch Strait even though most of it is too shallow for
    shipping and there is only one narrow section (much less than 1 mile in width) that allows ships (this is where they
    built the metal bridges).
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:55 pm

    Funny... I wonder if they will do programmes on places in the UK like coal mines and former textile producers.

    Interesting fact... if you come to New Zealand and go into a department store the place where they sell bedding and home decoration stuff is often called the Manchester department... because for quite some time the boxes with material for that department had manchester printed on the side... of course that department should now be called China... wonder what has happened to all those textile factories in Britain?

    Could we make a documentary about how those towns no longer have people who make clothes and that a lot of young people have left those areas looking for better prospects?

    The amusing thing is that when talking about coal and oil sales for Russia the west talks about environmental damage and global warming, but when talking about a coastal port on the northern shipping route global warming seems to become less certain...

    From what I know about global warming is that there are often tipping points... raise the siberian temperatures a few degrees and all those frozen peat bogs stop being frozen peat bogs and start being peat bogs... full of methane... release that into the air and all of a sudden global warming becomes vastly more likely an issue... your fancy western electric cars make little difference when warmth from the sun releases trillions of tons of methane into the atmosphere....


    Funny how they never call Canada's dementia over its Arctic sovereignty an obsession.

    Or their occupation of islands round the world in locations they deem strategic (ie near potential oil reserves)... cough cough Falklands...
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  Hole on Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:05 am

    The textile factories in England were supplied by Indian fabric. With India gone...
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:20 pm

    India is still there... they obviously didn't want to pay a fair price for their fabric... it makes them uncompetitive...

    That is what colonies are for... cheap raw product... that is what the west wants for Russia... destabilise it so it can be the cheap raw material source for the western production machine... they keep their high standard of living and they don't care about Russia or Russians... why should they? They lost the cold war... and their punishment is the western use and abuse of their resources.

    Problem was Putin seemed to think Russians should benefit from the resources of Russia...
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  Hole on Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:20 am

    Yup.

    All this obsession in England with the channel and the northern sea...
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  medo on Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:22 pm

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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:54 am


    Another one for the history books thumbsup

    Container ship crosses Arctic route for first time in history due to melting sea ice

    Ice-class 42,000 ton vessel carries Russian fish and South Korean electronics to Europe


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/maersk-container-ship-arctic-ocean-northern-sea-route-venta-global-warming-a8543431.html





    And some cold hard reality from Moscow Times, posted in full so you don't have to give them clicks:

    Russia’s New Commanding Role in the Arctic (Op-ed)

    A new shipping corridor between Asia and Europe promises to strengthen Russia’s control over the Arctic.

    While Russia’s economy is increasingly burdened by Western sanctions, Moscow has recently made crucial headway with a new Arctic transport corridor, which could have far-reaching economic and geopolitical consequences.

    Last month, Maersk, which is the world’s largest shipping firm, made headlines by sending its first cargo ship through Russia’s Northern Sea Route. The NSR links Asia to Europe, utilizing Russian waters in the Arctic Ocean.

    Moscow’s case for promoting the NSR is obvious. The route between Asia and Europe is about two weeks shorter than its Suez Canal competition. Fewer days at sea means faster delivery times and lower fuel and personnel costs. There are also fewer vessels using the NSR and with Russian policing the route, piracy is not a concern, unlike in the Suez Canal or the Malacca Strait.

    Even though Russia has long used the route, the NSR is now attracting global attention due to climate change. Although it is only currently accessible for roughly three months of the year, this window — along with its global importance — is only expected to widen over the coming years as temperatures rise.

    But this new transport corridor, linking South Korea to St. Petersburg, is already redefining the international flow of goods and services. Capitalizing on increasing Asian demand for Russian natural gas exports, Moscow will increasingly link its Yamal production directly to the growing North East Asian markets of South Korea and Japan. This is dire news for the shipping economies in the region, like Singapore, which rely heavily on the tariffs generated by their role in the global transportation chain.

    For much of the past decade, analysts have said the NSR is merely a pipedream. Some critics have argued that the isolated nature and operational environment of the Arctic was a roadblock. Others argued that in order to be competitive, the NSR must be accessible year-round. Experts also have suggested that Russian energy is a thing of the past, citing “game-changing” U.S. LNG.

    Frankly, climate change is taking care of the ice and Putin has injected large investments into Arctic infrastructure to make the region more accessible. Basic market forces reject the assumption that Russian LNG is not competitive. U.S. LNG is expensive in comparison to Russian Arctic LNG, especially taking into consideration the fact that Russia’s energy export market is simply closer to the import-hungry Asian market.

    What’s more, a burgeoning global population necessarily means increases not only in energy demand, but demand of goods via our transport corridors. Congestion in the existing corridors will only continue to rise and this quite simply threatens supply security for much of the market. Enter the NSR.

    Russia will assume the Chair position for the Arctic Council in 2021, an intergovernmental forum which addresses regional issues. In the lead up, Moscow can be expected to tout the corridor as a reliable, commercially sound and secure international transport route. Which it is.

    It is likely that Russia, especially in its role of Council chair, will frame the NSR as a hallmark of Russia’s cooperative Arctic agenda. Potentially, further Arctic securitization measures including military installations will be employed by Moscow to safeguard its economic interest in the NSR. Despite the NSR tariff potential and windfalls for the Kremlin, the bigger prize for Russia is that it will facilitate Moscow’s control over a vast amount of global trade.

    Dr. Elizabeth Buchanan is the Jean Monnet Research Fellow with the Centre for European Studies at The Australian National University. Her areas of expertise are Russian foreign energy strategy and Arctic geopolitics. The views and opinions expressed in opinion pieces do not necessarily reflect the position of The Moscow Times.
    https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/russias-new-commanding-role-in-the-new-arctic-op-ed-62927
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  Hole on Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:40 am

    One sentence is wrong. It should read: "russian economy is increasingly supported by western sanctions".
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:42 pm

    Moscow beats US hegemony in the Arctic
    He failed to mention future ekranoplans!
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  medo on Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:39 am

    https://vpk.name/news/228985_bolee_13_tyis_tonn_gruzov_dostavyat_na_zemlyu_franca_iosifa_dlya_stroitelstva_aerodroma.html

    Его взлетно-посадочная полоса будет способна принимать летательные аппараты различных классов в любое время года

    МУРМАНСК, 25 сентября. /ТАСС/. Более 13 тыс. тонн строительных материалов и железобетонных плит будет доставлено в ближайшее время к острову Земля Александры (архипелаг Земля Франца Иосифа) для строительства всесезонного аэродрома Северного флота. Об этом сообщает во вторник пресс-служба флота.

    "В настоящее время погрузка материалов на теплоход ледового класса "Юрий Аршеневский", который действует в интересах Северного флота, завершается в Мурманском порту", - рассказали в пресс-службе.

    Завтра, 26 сентября, судно начнет очередной рейс к острову Земля Александры, где расположен самый северный административно-жилой комплекс замкнутого цикла "Арктический трилистник", в котором несет боевое дежурство подразделение противовоздушной обороны армии ВВС и ПВО Северного флота.

    Рядом с "Арктическим трилистником" продолжается строительство всесезонного аэродрома. Планируется, что его взлетно-посадочная полоса будет способна принимать летательные аппараты различных классов в любое время года.

    Russian Northern fleet will start with active phase of air base construction in Zemlya Aleksandra island. They will send 13.000 tons of construction materials and concrete plates to build whole year active concrete airfield.
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:14 pm

    Another "unsinkable a/c carrier" in the Arctic!
    Russian Navy fires Bastion in the Arctic
    Icebreaker naval convoy:
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:08 pm

    North Pole expeditionRussia's Rosatom to Order New Robot to Extract Minerals From Arctic Bottom ©️ Sputnik / Vladimir Astapkovich

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russia's Rosatom state nuclear corporation wants to order development of a robotic installation which would extract rare and hard-to-recover minerals at the bottom of the Arctic, Russia's Foundation for Advanced Research (FPI) told Sputnik on Monday.

    Head of the FPI’s project group Viktor Litvinenko specified that the ordering customers of the automated system would be Rosatom and its subsidiary JSC Atomredmetzoloto (ARMZ Uranium Holding).

    "This project will complement our work on the development of the Arctic … Such technology essentially does not exist … It will be quite a challenging project for ARMZ to go from land under water, where there are huge reserves of solid and hard-to-recover minerals
    . Now, we are working with them. Perhaps, there will be other partners," Litvinenko said.
    He noted that the robotic installation would be based on the existing Iceberg project, which provides for creation of separate autonomous complexes for the development of hydrocarbon fields for oil and gas companies.


    https://sputniknews.com/science/201809241068274411-rosatom-order-robot-arctic-minirels/



    Russian Researchers Hand Over Nuclear Underwater Drone Documentation to Rosatom


    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The Russia's FPI is submitting technical documentation on the Iceberg nuclear-powered robotic submarine designed to explore hydrocarbons deposits under the ice floe in the Arctic region to Russia's State Nuclear Corporation Rosatom, the head of the foundation's project group told Sputnik

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201809181068119728-russian-researchers-building-nuclear-drone-sub/

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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:58 pm

    New weapons for the Arctic
    Arctic ideology: for whom Russia is developing the Arctic?
    https://regnum.ru/news/society/2506275.html

    Arctic ambition: Beijing eyes the Polar Silk Road


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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:49 pm

    NATO exercises in & around Scandinavia & Russia: https://regnum.ru/news/society/2507800.html
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:59 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:New weapons for the Arctic
    Arctic ideology: for whom Russia is developing the Arctic?
    https://regnum.ru/news/society/2506275.html

    Arctic ambition: Beijing eyes the Polar Silk Road


    hehe I wonder how much UK and Sweden has to twist and bend facts to say they got a right to Arctic region lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:55 pm

    Sweden is a member of the Arctic Consul; UK is observer.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Council#Member_states

    Canada is a former British Dominion, is very close to UK politically & culturally. Canada doesn't have SSNs to patrol even her Arctic, but the RN SSNs routinely train there. They help the USN there.
    https://russia-insider.com/en/russias-combat-icebreakers-are-marvelous-no-threat-us/ri22994

    They r afraid that Russia will ditch the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) & claim the former Soviet sector in the Arctic if her continental shelf claim is not recognized. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea

    They mask that with usual pronouncements of "increasing Russian military activity & resulting threat" in the Arctic.


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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:23 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Sweden is a member of the Arctic Consul; UK is observer.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Council#Member_states

    sure and where exactly is Sweden posession in Arctic? Very Happy UK Observer bwahahaha they were observers in India and Africa for hundredths of years. This didnt bring any good for conquered nations. UK could be observer to Biscay Bay or perhaps Irish Sea , they have nothing to do in Arctic. Especially in Russian sector. Swedes better keep focusing on IKEA kotbullars.



    They r afraid that Russia will ditch the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) & claim the former Soviet sector in the Arctic if her continental shelf claim is not recognized. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea


    Whaat? Russia wants to claim.... her legal possessions ? !!! aggression in pure form. Russia was so close to share all possessions with US and UK in 90s damn so close and shit. lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:25 pm

    About 15% of Sweden lies north of the Arctic Circle.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden#Geography

    Finland lost her Northern coast, but is a member of the Arctic consul.
    It's not legal yet to claim the certain areas under UNCLOS, that's why Russia submitted her continental shelf data. So did the others.
    The Arctic Ocean floor will be divided as mountain chains meet/ at the N. Pole from Greenland & Asia.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:14 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:About 15% of Sweden lies north of the Arctic Circle.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden#Geography

    Finland lost her Northern coast, but is a member of the Arctic consul.
    It's not legal yet to claim the certain areas under UNCLOS, that's why Russia submitted her continental shelf data. So did the others.
    The Arctic Ocean floor will be divided as mountain chains meet/ at the N. Pole from Greenland & Asia.

    Neither Sweden, not Finland nor Denmark have any real possessions in Arctic (dont mix pls with arctic circle). OK Finland has St Claus. that's the strongest argument so far.
    Greenland is long time ago de facto.


    But most funny is old dingy lion is trying to assess "imperial order" over somebody else's wealth. lol1 lol1 lol1


    Its interstign how it will end up. Im sure Northern Round wont be any subject of "international" control not US/UK possession.


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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:21 am

    Denmark administers Greenland; Sweden had today's Norway (with her Svalbard) & Finland under her control before they split, & all 3 Nordic nations stick together on Arctic & other issues just like ASEAN members do on SC Sea issues & the Caspian littoral states do on Caspian related issues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmar_Union
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland_under_Swedish_rule
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:52 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Denmark administers Greenland; Sweden had today's Norway (with her Svalbard) & Finland under her control before they split, & all 3 Nordic nations stick together on Arctic & other issues just like ASEAN members do on SC Sea issues & the Caspian littoral states do on Caspian related issues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmar_Union
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland_under_Swedish_rule


    Of course they stick to get something not belonging to them. Western values are based on isnt it? Finalnd was also under Russian rule. Baltics were bought form Sweden king pennies. They were never occupied as us propaganda wants ;-)

    What Caepians states without access to Caspian sea are there? Actually Armenia or Belorussia should have their say too. Have same right to Caspian as Fins or Swedes for Arctic.
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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  Hole on Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:41 pm

    Gazprom and RVD will extend the railway to Sabetta. Cost: 1,7 Bill.


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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:51 pm

    Hole wrote:Gazprom and RVD will extend the railway to Sabetta. Cost: 1,7 Bill.
    .............

    Excellent move. And price-tag is minuscule given the profits involved thumbsup




    ALSO:

    More and more are testing the waters, literally:

    Ship Tasmanic Winter completed delivery of vessels through Norther Sea Route

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/113525/

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    Re: Arctic rush

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:25 pm

    Of course they stick to get something not belonging to them. Western values are based on isn't it? ..
    With exception of Denmark, they don't  claim anything at the expense of Russia. Norway border dispute  in the Barents Sea was settled 2010:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93Russia_border
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/15/russia-norway-arctic-border-dispute
    http://eu-arctic-forum.org/allgemein/delimitation-agreement-a-new-era-in-the-barents-sea-and-the-arctic/
    Upon ratification of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), a country has a ten-year period to make claims to an extended continental shelf which, if validated, gives it exclusive rights to resources on or below the seabed of that extended shelf area.Norway, Russia, Canada, and Denmark launched projects to provide a basis for seabed claims on extended continental shelves beyond their exclusive economic zones. The United States has signed, but not yet ratified the UNCLOS. The status of certain portions of the Arctic sea region is in dispute for various reasons. Canada, Denmark, Norway, Russia, and the United States all regard parts of the Arctic seas as national waters (territorial waters out to 12 nautical miles (22 km)) or internal waters. There also are disputes regarding what passages constitute international seaways and rights to passage along them. There is one single disputed piece of land in the Arctic—Hans Island—which is disputed between Canada and Denmark because of its location in the middle of an international strait. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_claims_in_the_Arctic
    What Caspian states without access to Caspian sea are there? Actually Armenia or Belarus should have their say too. Have same right to Caspian as
    They all agreed that no warships & bases of outsiders will be allowed to operate in that sea. Armenians had access to the Black Sea before the Turks took it away & they got kicked out of Baku as well; she & Belarus have no navies or merchant fleets; if/when Belorussians becomes part of the RF, they'll be there under its flag.
    Finns & Swedes northern territories r partly in the Arctic; they don't claim anything in the Arctic Ocean itself.

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