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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  Austin on Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:58 pm

    medo wrote:There is also new radar Nebo-UME, which was not noticed as it should be.
    More Info

    NNIIRT develops new dual-frequency early warning radar

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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  Viktor on Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:37 pm

    Austin wrote:
    medo wrote:There is also new radar Nebo-UME, which was not noticed as it should be.
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    NNIIRT develops new dual-frequency early warning radar
    I seriously doubt that it takes 5 hours to deploy this radar. Its a mistake. 20 min at max.
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    Came across this interesting info from MDB on MAKS

    Post  Viktor on Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:41 pm

    medo wrote:There is also new radar Nebo-UME, which was not noticed as it should be.
    Didnt notice. I thought that some mistake has been made by journalists. Tnx man.
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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:27 pm

    Interesting report on the new Nebo-UME radar by Jane's...

    NNIIRT develops new dual-frequency early warning radar
    http://www.janes.com/article/28401/nniirt-develops-new-dual-frequency-early-warning-radar
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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  Viktor on Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:43 pm

    Russia just got new OTH radar system CONTAINER.



    In the army has taken over EKR first pilot alert radar horizon detection "Container"
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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  medo on Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:38 pm

    Viktor wrote:Russia just got new OTH radar system CONTAINER.



    In the army has taken over EKR first pilot alert radar horizon detection "Container"
    Excellent. They could just place this radar in square in Ural and whole russian air space will be covered.
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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  medo on Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:34 pm

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201312031334-4e99.htm

    A video about this new OTH radar.

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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  Austin on Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:26 pm

    An OTH radar should be able to detect PAK-DA/B-2 type aircraft as they would reflect radar waves from all sides specially the top part and should generate echo from LO targets
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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  Viktor on Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:57 pm

    medo wrote:http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201312031334-4e99.htm

    A video about this new OTH radar.
    You can see at that video (2:15-2:20) 29B6 Container monitoring Denmark aviation trafic Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy 

    Container has 3000km (miles - depend on the source) range and series of them (7 I think) is ordered by Russian MOD. 

    29B6 Container

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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  Austin on Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:18 pm

    Interview with chief designer Valentin Strelkin station on container radar

    http://www.redstar.ru/index.php/component/k2/item/13117-zagorizontnyj-ryvok-rossii

    At the moment we are seeing the traffic situation over Europe. Relatively speaking, our station sees the tactical aviation located at NATO air bases, to the Channel - he commented. - We see a lot of air targets, track their trajectory and motion parameters, what type of a particular aircraft, military or civilian, he, single target or group. My goal as a commander of duty forces -

    And I must say that the intensity of a new radar ZGO increased in the last two years. In 2014, we expect to increase the combat capabilities of the station "container." Already next year its characteristics will increase. In the future, one such radar ZGO will "see" all aerodynamic targets, including small-size aircraft at a distance of up to 3,000 km, an azimuth of 240 degrees.

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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  Austin on Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:21 pm

    How does the new Container OTH radar differ from the Early Warning Radar ? The EW radar the new one being built operate in meter and decimenter band and has range of 6000 km

    What band does Container operate ?
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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:39 pm

    The other early warning radar just shoot a strong signal but is limited due to the curviture of the earth. OTH radar uses the ionosphere to reflect the signal so that they are not so limited. But usually the resolution is lower and quality of signals are not the best, hence the other radars are meant to work in conjunction with the OTH and are better for accurate tracking. I dunno if it runs off of UHF or VHF though. One my father help build in dew lines was VHF.
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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  Viktor on Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:02 pm

    No details of the radar. 




    This thing is mobile also Very Happy (its build like LEGO and may need several days and more many trucks but still) 
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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:03 pm

    Meh, ELF all the way. I'm the only one of you fkers to have seen it Smile 

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    Radar Coverage Zone

    Post  calripson on Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:20 am

    It is interesting that in ham radio ionospheric skip usually produces a signal about 2700-3000 miles away. I assume the process here is similiar. I wonder how wide an area the radar sees and if they can vary the covergae zone. For example, the radar in Mordovia is seeing Denmark. Would they have to built a radar to farther to the east to see Polish airspace ? Farther to the west to see Great Britain ? Why not put a radar of this type in Kalingrad to see the British Isles ?

    Also, I would think this type of radar would be easy to spoof/jam.
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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:30 am

    calripson wrote:It is interesting that in ham radio ionospheric skip usually produces a signal about 2700-3000 miles away. I assume the process here is similiar. I wonder how wide an area the radar sees and if they can vary the covergae zone. For example, the radar in Mordovia is seeing Denmark. Would they have to built a radar to farther to the east to see Polish airspace ? Farther to the west to see Great Britain ? Why not put a radar of this type in Kalingrad to see the British Isles ?

    Also, I would think this type of radar would be easy to spoof/jam.
    Russians will produce at least several of those radar with many more prepaired positions so they can be moved around as the need arises.. I bet they will optimize the radar field so they can see Britain too Very Happy but anyway Russia already has 6000km range radar system covering Britain and the whole Europe too.

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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  Austin on Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:09 am

    sepheronx wrote:The other early warning radar just shoot a strong signal but is limited due to the curviture of the earth. OTH radar uses the ionosphere to reflect the signal so that they are not so limited. But usually the resolution is lower and quality of signals are not the best, hence the other radars are meant to work in conjunction with the OTH and are better for accurate tracking. I dunno if it runs off of UHF or VHF though. One my father help build in dew lines was VHF.
    Could be L band or UHF
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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:07 am

    Keep in mind that from the ground you can bounce a signal almost vertically above to just on the horizon and everywhere in between so you can get coverage of pretty much all the airspace from very close to the radar antenna to very very far away... also remember that the atmosphere is curved so it is not like a big flat mirror... it is a curved mirror very high up which extends viewing much further.


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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  TR1 on Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:36 am

    flamming_python wrote:Meh, ELF all the way. I'm the only one of you fkers to have seen it Smile 
    The NSA prolly knows all about Zues now, so you might as well tell all of us. >:[
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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  flamming_python on Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:31 am

    TR1 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Meh, ELF all the way. I'm the only one of you fkers to have seen it Smile 
    The NSA prolly knows all about Zues now, so you might as well tell all of us. >:[

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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  Austin on Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:38 am

    Container OTH is a decameter radar , means radio waves can be between 10-100 m long
    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/44535/

    Duga 29B6 "Container" working on short radio waves (decameter, from 3 to 30 MHz). They are reflected from the ionosphere with small losses. For these wavelengths there is no so-called "stealth technology" (passive technology reduce radiozametnosti). Any "low observable" aircraft, ship or cruise missile will provide an excellent return signal to the same amplified secondary radiation (re-reflections inside the structure).
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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  Viktor on Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:46 am

    And from the same link Austin provided:

    Duga is mobile as suspected ! Very Happy Very Happy  

    They consist of tens of antenna-feeder masts with a height of 30 meters. In Kovylkino line of masts stretched nearly a mile. Despite this, Duga quite mobile. Antenna mast systems can quickly enough to meet equipped sites. And all the equipment, including a powerful computing complex, located in transportable containers. Because Duga "Container" does not require special construction of capital facilities, commissioning of new plants can occur quite quickly.
    Austin: here is a radar Duga that article mentiones that had 10 000km range and was constructed because of the need to monitor US ballistic missile research. 



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    It is said that radar could detect Tomahawk lounch from the middle of Atlantic ocean. 

    Funny part:

    In addition, "Doug" violated the radio, because it works on frequencies which are actively used throughout the world. U.S., UK and Canada have expressed even protest the Soviet Union, but without any result. In this assignment so strange radio long remained a mystery. Naturally, the headlines in the Western press quickly filled assumptions that "Russian want to influence the minds of people all over the world." And the news that the signal sent by the ionosphere, quickly led to speculation about the impact of "treacherous Russian" on the Earth's climate. Echoes of these fables and excite the minds of today, including ours.
    Interesting part - Russian Navy is using it too !!!!

    Second-horizon system is much more sophisticated, the station became "Wave". Their appearance would have been impossible without the participation of the prominent Soviet statesman - Navy Commander Sergei Gorshkov IG. Difficulty with the first Duga led to a skeptical attitude toward him in the Soviet leadership. Sergei G. whereas this was a devotee of military technology breakthrough. His efforts in the Navy were tested first combat laser systems and systems using electromagnetic pulses as damaging factors. Although really effective samples of such weapons only appear today to merit the Soviet Navy Commander should include the fact that he was not afraid to take responsibility, giving the course developments that then seemed fantastic
    In 1986, the station "Wave" started working in a test mode in the Far East (near Nakhodka). She was constantly improved, modernized its software and algorithmic complex, increased energy potential. By 1990, the station steadily detect and track aircraft carrying U.S. groups in the Pacific Ocean at distances much higher than 3000 kilometers, and individual air targets - at distances up to 2800 km
    Another but different OTH radar systems used by Russian Navy


    In 1999, on the Kamchatka Peninsula, in the interest of the fleet, was built new Duga "Taurus". It uses less power and signal used to detect ships and air targets at ranges up to 250 km. Development of the "Taurus" were coastal Duga "Sunflower", which is now being built in different parts of our country and even offered for export. Their range of action is about 450 km.
    More than 10 planned. 

    It was launched in pilot mode in 2002. Since that time have accumulated vast experience horizon radar, and technical facilities of the station repeatedly modernized. Currently, all major modes using it worked, and the Far East started the preparations for the construction of the station has burst "Container". There will be built more than ten such stations, which will in the short term to cover a continuous radar field, throughout the country and extensive adjacent air space.
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/44535/

    And interesting picture about the size of 29B6 damn thing (click on it)



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    Nothing New

    Post  calripson on Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:07 am

    OTH radar is nothing new - it was used by the US since the 1960s and USSR from 1970s. The US disabled most OTH radar in the 1990s. The problem with it are two fold: one resolution is very bad. At ranges of 3,000 miles with even very long radar you can only locate target within kilometers of airspace. Two, it is readily spoofed so in real war I would be highly suspect that the US/NATO would not have the technology to make Russian OTH radar less than reliable.
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    Re: Russian Radar systems

    Post  Viktor on Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:29 am

    calripson wrote:OTH radar is nothing new - it was used by the US since the 1960s and USSR from 1970s. The US disabled most OTH radar in the 1990s. The problem with it are two fold: one resolution is very bad. At ranges of 3,000 miles with even very long radar you can only locate target within kilometers of airspace. Two, it is readily spoofed so in real war I would be highly suspect that the US/NATO would not have the technology to make Russian OTH radar less than reliable.
    With what might US disable OTH radars 3000km away?

    Its not necessary for OTH radars to have ultimate precision (although 29B6 entered production because of considerably increased accuracy). It servers as an EW.

    His informations will alert more precision radar systems that cruise missiles or fighters or something else is flying their way and Russian PVO will raise fighters and interceptors and alert SAM 

    stations. Thats his main purpose to give as much time as it can to Russian PVO to prepare for incoming attack or monitor situation that everything is fine and there is nothing to worry 

    about. On the other hand Russian Navy might use it in more deadly way.

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    Removed Radar

    Post  calripson on Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:40 pm

    When I say disabled, I mean the US removed its own radar in the 1990s because it was felt the military value was not worth the operational cost.

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