UFOs & Extraterrestrial Life

Tsavo Lion wrote:
If it isn't alien, why still refusing to talk about & clear it up? Is it still classified on the same level as other UFO related events & if so, why?

I was well aware of Kecksburg, and the near certainty it is ET. Indeed, there is no reasonable prosaic explanation. Timing indicates it wasn't a Venera craft. If it was, why hasn't it been revealed?? A '60s Soviet craft is just cave man technology compared to what we've had for years already.
But the Kecksburg object, like Roswell material, was obviously retrieved by the US government. Inasmuch as Washington has a virtual monopoly on incontrovertible proof, "disclosure" by other governments doesn't amount to much.

Abductees with health problems r the living evidence. So r the substances left by UFOs:

Both interesting but alas, neither is conclusive proof of ET.

No matter what the scientists say, those who were there are convinced that what they saw was unlike anything on earth.

Same for witness testimony…..

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1314480/UFO-Pentagon-report-aliens-sighting-White-House-investigation-extraterrestrial-evidence?int_source=traffic.outbrain&int_medium=traffic.outbrain&int_term=traffic.outbrain&int_content=traffic.outbrain&int_campaign=traffic.outbrain

We will have to wait a very long time for an intact/wrecked alien craft, since they r not going to have high accident rate. Most probably they'll also automatically self-destruct so the environment isn't harmed & they don't fall into wrong hands. What would be left of them won't pass as undoubtedly remnants of their craft. The aliens will officially reveal themselves to us & open contact at the time & place of their own choosing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tv8JtM4FzQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd2zC5nz9_I&list=PLob1mZcVWOaiAndXgqszrgEeVi8whxxuk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMy2Lf40Xts

Tsavo Lion wrote:
We will have to wait a very long time for an intact/wrecked alien craft,

No, this has happened already.

since they r not going to have high accident rate.

At least one tome says they have a zero accident rate, but still came down. All interested parties should definitely see this book:

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-alien-grand-design-tim-donovan/1137331176?ean=9781952269868

https://www.amazon.com/Alien-Grand-Design-Tim-Donovan/dp/1952269865

Most probably they'll also automatically self-destruct so the environment isn't harmed & they don't fall into wrong hands. What would be left of them won't pass as undoubtedly remnants of their craft.

They have been undoubted remains since the start of the modern UFO era, seen by some laymen initially but quickly covered up.

The aliens will officially reveal themselves to us & open contact at the time & place of their own choosing.

Sure and don't hold your breath waiting...

No, this has happened already.

could be, but the odds of it happening again anytime soon r not great.

They have been undoubted remains since the start of the modern UFO era, seen by some laymen initially but quickly covered up.

this proves that as a civilization, we were/r not yet ready to face the reality of their presence in the Solar System.

Sure and don't hold your breath waiting...

I don't- for that to happen, they/we would need to be in a survival situation requiring help, view us as equals &/ worthy of respect.

Tsavo Lion wrote:
could be, but the odds of it happening again anytime soon r not great.

Virtually certain IMO. We can't be sure of the odds; at any time there might be another incident like those of '62 and '65. Or '96.

this proves that as a civilization, we were/r not yet ready to face the reality of their presence in the Solar System.

Right, and unreadiness for the reality of ET here isn't the only concern.

I don't- for that to happen, they/we would need to be in a survival situation requiring help, view us as equals &/ worthy of respect.

ET appears to respect us to some extent, as we're potential equals. I don't think we'll need their help with the environment or economy but as the aforementioned tome predicts, a future regime will need ET help to succeed.

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0979388147/ref=pd_luc_mri?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

Essentially the "starchild skull" is like the bulk of other evidence for ET: While interesting, and suggestive of "visitors," it doesn't clinch the case for them. The phenomenon is gradually getting us used to it, and will not let the populace have definitive proof yet. For a comprehensive look at what ET is really up to see this: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-alien-grand-design-tim-donovan/1137331176?ean=9781952269868
Also available on amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Alien-Grand-Design-Tim-Donovan/dp/1952269865

https://www.rbc.ru/society/15/08/2020/5f373c5d9a7947b6d8fddf28

There were two Roswell sites. As the aforementioned book explains, one was of real significance the other intended to mislead, in time.

https://www.livescience.com/reasons-to-believe-life-on-mars.html

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/08/unusual-meteorite-more-valuable-gold-may-hold-building-blocks-life

I was aware of those arguments favoring life on Mars but IMO they're not very persuasive. First, I doubt there are substantial "warming periods" due to obliquity shifts. If real warming spells had recurred frequently, resulting in higher atmospheric pressure, there would be much more evidence for post-Noachian erosion.
Mars may have plenty of features carved by flowing water, but it is fallacious to view them as "ancient rivers." As Carr wrote, outflow channels not only could have been formed under present climatic conditions, they may even have required present climatic conditions since only a thick permafrost plug could've withstood all that artesian pressure prior to release (due to impact or volcanic heating). I don't believe Mars was ever "warm and wet." It is true that in Noachian time Mars had a relatively thick atmosphere causing perceptible erosion. But that ended c 3.8 billion years ago. The problem is that Mars was already in its present deep freeze by then hence may have been completely inhospitable before life could appear.
Sure, life might lurk in underground niches. It may not be very likely though, since the heat flux from the Martian interior doesn't appear to amount to much. Essentially Mars is geologically dead. The lack of significant volcanic activity since the lower Amazonian attests to the exhaustion of internal heat--the only source of energy for underground life.
Several known exoplanets may hold much more promise than Mars. The Red Planet has long had a certain mystique, but that shouldn't mean an inordinate focus on it. At least half the money spent on Mars research would've been better invested in missions like Kepler.

UFO video footage captured by Russian cosmonaut sent for analysis - Roscosmos

Earlier on Wednesday, Russian astronaut Ivan Vagner, who is currently at the ISS, said that he might have detected a group of five unidentified flying objects (UFOs) when shooting a time lapse video

MOSCOW, August 19. /TASS/. The footage of five unidentified objects flying over the Southern hemisphere captured by a Russian cosmonaut at the International Space Station (ISS) has been sent to experts for analysis, Roscosmos Spokesman Vladimir Ustimenko said on the Rossiya-24 channel on Wednesday, noting that it is too early to jump to conclusions over the nature of the objects captured on video.

"It is too early to make conclusions until our Roscosmos researchers and scientists at the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences tell us what they think," he said. "It was decided to hand over those materials to experts, who will tell us what that was in their opinion."

Earlier on Wednesday, Russian astronaut Ivan Vagner, who is currently at the International Space Station (ISS), said that he might have detected a group of five unidentified flying objects (UFOs) when shooting a time lapse video. He was shooting the peak of Aurora Borealis when flying over the Antarctic.

The spaceman stated that he had informed Russian state space corporation Roscosmos about his findings, also sending the video to the Central Research Institute of Machine Building (TsNIIMash) and the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences for further analysis.

https://tass.com/science/1191653

George1 wrote:

UFO video footage captured by Russian cosmonaut sent for analysis - Roscosmos

Earlier on Wednesday, Russian astronaut Ivan Vagner, who is currently at the ISS, said that he might have detected a group of five unidentified flying objects (UFOs) when shooting a time lapse video

MOSCOW, August 19. /TASS/. The footage of five unidentified objects flying over the Southern hemisphere captured by a Russian cosmonaut at the International Space Station (ISS) has been sent to experts for analysis, Roscosmos Spokesman Vladimir Ustimenko said on the Rossiya-24 channel on Wednesday, noting that it is too early to jump to conclusions over the nature of the objects captured on video.

"It is too early to make conclusions until our Roscosmos researchers and scientists at the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences tell us what they think," he said. "It was decided to hand over those materials to experts, who will tell us what that was in their opinion."

Earlier on Wednesday, Russian astronaut Ivan Vagner, who is currently at the International Space Station (ISS), said that he might have detected a group of five unidentified flying objects (UFOs) when shooting a time lapse video. He was shooting the peak of Aurora Borealis when flying over the Antarctic.

The spaceman stated that he had informed Russian state space corporation Roscosmos about his findings, also sending the video to the Central Research Institute of Machine Building (TsNIIMash) and the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences for further analysis.

https://tass.com/science/1191653

Human tech for sure.

George1 wrote:
MOSCOW, August 19. /TASS/. The footage of five unidentified objects flying over the Southern hemisphere...

Can't they be more specific as to where they flew and is there any corroboration from observers on the ground or at sea? In any event, even if really ET this doesn't seem very spectacular; there have been a gazillion sightings prior to this.

UFO Abductions, A Global Phenomenon 

https://www.amazon.com/UFO-Abductions-Assorted-Experts-Witnesses/dp/B000A34558


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxjc4Nm728M

I don't trust Hessemann. Like so many others, he spread misinfo.

For sure that all the sightings of UFOs do not involve aliens from other planets. Also, ball lightning gets reported as UFOs so atmospheric phenomena are tagged as aliens.

And no aliens are going to travel across the galaxy to anally probe humans.

As to whether aliens exist. That is 100% certain. There are simply too many Earth-like planets for it to be impossible to have human-like sentient species outside the
Earth. And it is clear that no hyperspace or wormhole travel has been found by any of the likely millions of sentient alien species out there. So we are all basically
permanently isolated from each other.

And it is clear that no hyperspace or wormhole travel has been found by any of the likely millions of sentient alien species out there.

did aliens tell u that telepathically? do u know more than Einstein, Sagan & Hawkins?

did aliens tell u that telepathically? do u know more than Einstein, Sagan & Hawkins?

You believe in aliens on earth but don't accept communicating with the dead?

thegopnik wrote:
Unannounced black projects could also be an explanation of UFOs

A few perhaps but generally the phenomenon has always exhibited capabilities beyond anything known here. If 1940s/50s UFOs were just new technologies undergoing testing, you'd think by now we'd have flying saucers instead of jets.

kvs wrote:For sure that all the sightings of UFOs do not involve aliens from other planets.    Also, ball lightning gets reported as UFOs so atmospheric phenomena are tagged as aliens.

Sure there have been many misidentifications of prosaic phenomena. (Once when walking around just after dark I overheard a woman say "It's not moving….could be just a star." No doubt she was referring to Venus, then visible.) But prosaic phenomena can't explain the phenomenon; if they could there would've been UFO sightings en masse long before 1947. Venus doesn't appear on radar or leave landing traces.

And no aliens are going to travel across the galaxy to anally probe humans.

Previously I mentioned a book, The Alien Grand Design  which shows that much reported ET activity is not genuine but intended to mislead us about the purpose of their mission here.

As to whether aliens exist.   That is 100% certain.   There are simply too many Earth-like planets for it to be impossible to have human-like sentient species outside the
Earth.   And it is clear that no hyperspace or wormhole travel has been found by any of the likely millions of sentient alien species out there.    So we are all basically
permanently isolated from each other.  

In view of our own rapid progress and the likelihood that some ET civilizations are vastly older, hence incredibly more advanced, it's naive to think our understanding of physics is the last word. Innumerable reports of strange craft and beings by credible witnesses shouldn't be dismissed on the basis of our current understanding; they indicate we have much more to learn, since ET is clearly here.

Laughing Previously I mentioned a book, The Alien Grand Design which shows that much reported ET activity is not genuine but intended to mislead us about the purpose of their mission here.

Another factor is that it is rather easy to fake, and there are plenty of attention seekers out there... perhaps even people who are lonely who suddenly get all this attention because they mentioned they saw lights in the sky... I mean it is getting much harder now to make your camera create video out of focus, but the people taking movies and photos of things seem to be able to manage it... all the photos of nessie are fuzzy...

We are an old planet. In an extremely young universe. Reason why ET has not phoned home yet. But probability of alien life, seems very high. So high as to be a certainty.

They tried to grow life in a test tube. Mud mixed with water. In Nitrogen rich atmosphere. Zapped with electricity. But failed. No Frankenstein yet. So variables for creation of life must be more numerous. And operate within narrower range of values.

Yet scientists have evolved microbes, that feed on radically different foods. More radical than were thought to be possible. And of course life exists here in thermal vents. And extends a few kilometers under the soil.

To find life out there. To target our efforts. Best bet is to find old planets. Like ours. Not just in the habitable zone. But must be four or five billion years old. Have we found such old planets yet? Does anyone know?


https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg15921452-100-an-alien-diet/