Russia - Algeria military contracts

Russia to supply Su-30, Yak-130 planes to Algeria in 2011

RIA Novosti

10:24 02/06/2010

ABU DHABI, June 2 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will supply Su-30 Flanker fighters and Yak-130 Mitten trainer/light attack jets to Algeria in 2011, the deputy head of the Russian Federal Service for Military Technical Cooperation, Vyacheslav Dzirkalin, said.

"The delivery of Su-30s and Yak-130s [to Algeria] is due to begin next year, this is no military secret," Dzirkalin said.

Earlier in April, the head of Russian Technologies state Corporation, Sergei Chemezov, in an interview with the Novaya Gazeta weekly said Russia would ship to Algeria "a party of modern Russian fighters" at a price of about $1 billion.

Dzirkalin did not specify the number of aircraft to be delivered to Algeria.

Speaking about Russian-Algerian Navy partnership, Dzirkalin said that "636 series diesel submarines are being repaired and modernized, but the Algerian side has not stated anything on the purchase of the new subs."

The 636 Kilo diesel-electric submarine is a more advanced version of a 877 Paltus sub. The Chinese Navy has two Russian Kilo submarines built at one of the leading submarine shipbuilding companies, Admiralty Shipyards in St.Petersburg.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2010/06/mil-100602-rianovosti01.htm

http://lenta.ru/news/2012/09/19/subs/

Algeria got quite a strong army for its defense budget.

It also got on order western and Russian equipment in big quantities.

They recently modernized its three Kilo subs and are now acquiring two more.

They got two Tigr class on order too.

They clearly don't want any early spring to come to their region....


See what I did there...?

According to Gur Khan attacks! and Algerian newspapers new huge contract is in preparations. Algeria plans to buy:

- S-400
- Su-34
- Mi-28
- T-90MS
- BMPT
- TOR
etc

S-400? Not gonna happen. If it is real, then S-300V4 would be closest option (or at least Antey-2500 with updated missiles and tracking system).
T-90MS? Good choice. Although, it may be better to find upgrades for T-72's and T-90's in Algerian service and get them to MS standard.
Su-34? That would mean Su-34 would find its first export customer. Su-34 is a strategic aircraft for Russia and they are in desperate need of replacing current aircrafts in service, they need to concentrate Su-34 development for domestic consumption (I heard rumors of even more orders for Su-34 for domestic use, which is very important). But if they can open up a new line specifically for export, then it is a good idea. It is probably the most effective aircraft from Russia next to Su-30MKI and PAK FA's development. It would give Algeria capabilities of launching long range engagements, and give probably the best EW capabilities in Africa.
Mi-28 - Good choice. Although, would be an even better choice if they can get that MMW radar working.
BMPT - Or in this case, BMPT-72 which is an amazing looking upgrade and would give Algeria capabilities that many would want.

Let us wait and see. But that shopping list seems a tad bit odd especially since some of those systems are not for sale and or just experimental and or not ready for such rate of production (Su-34)

sepheronx wrote:S-400? Not gonna happen.  If it is real, then S-300V4 would be closest option (or at least Antey-2500 with updated missiles and tracking system).
T-90MS?  Good choice.  Although, it may be better to find upgrades for T-72's and T-90's in Algerian service and get them to MS standard.
Su-34?  That would mean Su-34 would find its first export customer.  Su-34 is a strategic aircraft for Russia and they are in desperate need of replacing current aircrafts in service, they need to concentrate Su-34 development for domestic consumption (I heard rumors of even more orders for Su-34 for domestic use, which is very important).  But if they can open up a new line specifically for export, then it is a good idea.  It is probably the most effective aircraft from Russia next to Su-30MKI and PAK FA's development.  It would give Algeria capabilities of launching long range engagements, and give probably the best EW capabilities in Africa.
Mi-28 - Good choice.  Although, would be an even better choice if they can get that MMW radar working.
BMPT - Or in this case, BMPT-72 which is an amazing looking upgrade and would give Algeria capabilities that many would want.

Let us wait and see.  But that shopping list seems a tad bit odd especially since some of those systems are not for sale and or just experimental and or not ready for such rate of production (Su-34)

Few thoughts 

1. S-400 - > gona happen. I suspect as of 2015 when Almaz Antej finishes 3 new factories and S-400 production jumps to 10+ batteries annually we will see export S-400. 

2. Algerian T-72 are being brought up to T-90 standard - that was signed during the 2007 contract

3. I always thought Su-34 has huge selling potential and I bet Russians can organize production if need arises like in this case

Viktor wrote:According to Gur Khan attacks! and Algerian newspapers new huge contract is in preparations. Algeria plans to buy:

- S-400
- Su-34
- Mi-28
- T-90MS
- BMPT
- TOR
etc

If the contract materializes, I expect the Mi-28, T-90MS, BMPT and TOR deliveries to happen in 2014-2016.
S-400 and Su-34 deliveries can happen by 2017-2020.

Su-34 (Su-34KA?) makes perfectly god sense as an Su-24MK replacement.

S-400...they just bought a bunch of S-300PMU-2 batteries, they've got a bunch of Su-30MKAs, so there doesn't seem to be as big of a need there. Unless they want to blow up airplanes over Valencia for some reason I don't know about?

SOC wrote:Su-34 (Su-34KA?) makes perfectly god sense as an Su-24MK replacement.

S-400...they just bought a bunch of S-300PMU-2 batteries, they've got a bunch of Su-30MKAs, so there doesn't seem to be as big of a need there.  Unless they want to blow up airplanes over Valencia for some reason I don't know about?

As I recall, Algeria initially ordered more S-300 batteries than latter on got. I dont know why but this latter on S-400 order could be a continuation of that thought. 

On the other hand Algeria has been warned that Arab spring will come to them too by Qatar Emir and the Middle East gang, right after Syria. 

There was even a case of the story from some western bloggers on training, about expected and planned uprising in Algeria that Algerian newspapers picked up. 

All that coupled with frequent terrorists attacks, destabilised Libya, France intervention in Mali, ever arming Morocco 

and all other countries being taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood in a action planed and organized by some EU countries, USA, Middle East countries, Turkey and Israel must have had 

troumendous impact on the mindset of Algerian political elite.

This indeed would be big if proceed with, imagine combining this with an egyptian megacontract!

Anyway from what i know from algerian fora, few more more details:

Mi-28- contract for 42 apparently under negotiation, the Mi-28UB prototype should have been sent to Algeria for testing last month.
Yak-130- in addition to the 16 delivered, apparently they intend to buy/are under negotiation for another 36, possibly for COIN role.
They also have in plan upgrading or perhaps replacing their Kub batteries, there seems to have been some interest in the czech Kub upgrade with Aspide (or is it some other type) missiles, but imo probably they would be served better if just replacing their Kubs with Buk-M2, this way they will have a fully integrated seamless air defence network.

They are also under negotiation/evaluation/intention for a new MMRCA to replace the MiG-29s, tanker and transport aircraft, AEWs, chinese UAVs etc, but these systems are likely not russian.

And apparently that's not all, i found the original article where all this info is coming from, and they also talk about possibly another order for Su-30, but this time, an export derivative of the Su-30SM, rather than the original MKA. The SM adds among other things, improved radar, RVV-MD and RVV-SD missiles, and allegedly, more powerful engines according to rumours ( 13,500-14,000kgf Izd. 99SM ?), and imo even a western MAWS system like on MKM is possible, so it will be significantly improved in capability. And not only that but it appears the plans are to have close to 100 (!) Su-30s in service or on order by 2016! Are we looking at 24-48 Su-32 and at least 48 Su-30MKA2 ?!
http://secret-difa3.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/gaid-salah-moscou-pour-finaliser-le.html

I wonder if the Iranians might see the first export of the Su-32 as an opportunity to buy some... from what I have read they liked the Su-24 and they need something to replace the F-14 at some stage...

Imagine Iran buying a split purchase of Su-32s with half fitted out for strike and attack missions and the other half fitted out for air to air as an interceptor equipped with RVV-BD missiles...

Or perhaps they could approach the Russians and get in on the program to develop a replacement for the Mig-31...

Personally I think if Gaddafi had not looked west and had just bought lots of new Russian stuff he would still be in power and a lot of people who are currently dead would be alive.

GarryB wrote:Personally I think if Gaddafi had not looked west and had just bought lots of new Russian stuff he would still be in power and a lot of people who are currently dead would be alive.

He WAS going to buy a lot of Russian stuff. The problem is that he waited too long. Assad bought Russian SAMs and ASCMs and Chinese EW systems, and did he get bombed? Nope. Libya was a target range within a few weeks, it took us well over a year to really begin considering to even use cruise missiles in Syria. The last full-length feature I wrote for Jane's Intelligence Review covers "unconventional" missile proliferation and its effects, with unconventional not meaning WMD but rather SAMs and cruise missiles. Normally people think "missile proliferation" and they rarely think beyond something ballistic. But if you look at Syria, and some of the newer capabilities on offer by various exporters like Russia and China, the game is changing. Missile systems like this can now be a deterrent to Western intervention, or a protective bubble that emboldens someone to act out. NATO/the West flat out owned the skies over Iraq, Libya, and the FRY because those nations had not figured out that relying solely on 1960s-level technology is a great way to get the crap bombed out of you. Syria, they figured it out, and what do you know? How many bombs actually fell? Notice how Israel isn't flying deep into Syria unopposed anymore, either, having to rely on coastal strikes or quick cross-border strikes.

Of course, the problem in Libya's case is that if Moammar bought a bunch of Yakhonts and S-300PMU-2s, it might not have prevented his ouster, it just would've been a lot harder for them to get done without Western air cover.

We also have to accept that while Syria has hostile nations on or near its border like Turkey and Israel, it also has a friend in Iran.

For Algeria this suggests previous purchases of modern weapons from Russia and future purchases are prudent... especially if it can be made to be more than just off the shelf purchases, and grow to involve new training and tactics and also military alliances and relationships that improve stability.

Russia has quite a few Mig-31s available... perhaps a short term upgrade to improve performance and reduce operational costs along with some work to make them very much like mini AWACS like aircraft, or possibly even adaptation of the aircraft for smaller countries that don't need the extreme speed but could use long endurance and heavy payload.

Russia is going to upgrade the Kuznetsov with catapults to allow AEW to be carried, so why not look at an export land based model as an affordable AWACS aircraft to fill gaps for Russia and to operate as primary defence controller for smaller countries.

Combination of Su-32 or Mig-31 plus a Yak-44M would greatly improve the air defence capability of most small countries... in fact with its 360 degree radar coverage imagine a Yak-44M with 27 or 30 RVV-BDs under belly in 9-10 rows of three and 18-21 RVV-SD missiles in 6-7 triple underwing racks to engage enemy cruise missiles and aerial threats... Add a few emergency self defence 9M100 missiles to engage enemy long range SAMs and AAMs and you have a really badass land based aircraft to defend your airspace.

Algerian Yak-130 - nice to see them






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Contract for two more (6 all in all) project 636 expected soon   

Russia to supply Algeria two submarine type "Varshavyanka!
http://itar-tass.com/politika/991413

Nice   

"Rostvertol" started production of six Mi-26T2 for the Algerian Air Force

WoW nice going Algeria   

Holding "Helicopters of Russia" took up the largest contract for the supply of modern Algerian Air Force helicopters

- 6 Mi-26T2
- 42 Mi-28N
- modernization of 39 Mi-8AMTSh

Total contract value = 2.7 bin $

Great news, looking forward to the Su-34s and S-400s (and the other goodies on the wish list from last year)!  

mack8 wrote:Great news, looking forward to the Su-34s and S-400s (and the other goodies on the wish list from last year)!  

We should not forget 2 more Kilo subs they ordered also    but Im waiting for Su-34 and Su-35 perhaps even

Anyway, export version of S-400 will be in production from 2016 so Im guessing that S-400 customers are placing their orders as about now. It would be interesting to take a peak in

those papers