Iraq turns its eye on Russian weapons

TR1 wrote:Of all the available pieces, they bought heavy-ass D-20?

d_taddei2 wrote:

TR1 wrote:Of all the available pieces, they bought heavy-ass D-20?

I kinda agree they would be better with something self propelled, like 2S3's, 2S1's, or for extra range 2A36 Giatsint-B or make self propelled the 2S5 Giatsint-S. and maybe buy a few 2S4 Tulpans and 2S7 Pion for some really powerfull and long range devastation, but my guesses are that i doubt Iraqi soliders could use 2S4 and 2S7 to the best of there ability without help. But i suppose price is a factor going for the towed D-20, but surely they would have been better getting the 2A36 Giatsint-B then and have the extra range, and cheap upgrades can make them more effective, upgrades exist for them such as: NAP" satellite positioning unit and Satellite receiver, various computer etc. And the Iraqi did use to use them.

I wonder what else will be on the shopping list, i am led to believe they have TOS-1 which is ideal for urban assaults. BMPT would be a great addition along with some Kamaz Typhoon's

TR1 wrote:Of all the available pieces, they bought heavy-ass D-20?

Mike E wrote:Yep, plus, if they are destroyed, better the D-20s than anything else...

Werewolf wrote:To bad Iraqi bought the Mi-28NE's without MAW sensors, they should have ordered the full spectrum TWICMS instead of just LWR and RWR, not much help they will get from those sensors against MANPADS.

Werewolf wrote:Well then the US has her hands deep in Iraqis ass.

Werewolf wrote:Well the MAK-IR L-136 MAWS were designed specifically to operate with the L-150-01 Computing Module of Threat Warning and the MAK-IR was designed to be as accurate as possible to distinguish the UV spectrum of incoming missiles according to their plume and give those information of what kind of possible SAM/MANPAD this missile could be and generate counter measures of flares in a squence that has the highest probability to fool the missile. Obviously that means regardless how well AAR-47 MAWS are they will need adjustment to achieve same cooperation between Counter Measure Control Unit and MAWS information.

sheytanelkebir wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Well the MAK-IR L-136 MAWS were designed specifically to operate with the L-150-01 Computing Module of Threat Warning and the MAK-IR was designed to be as accurate as possible to distinguish the UV spectrum of incoming missiles according to their plume and give those information of what kind of possible SAM/MANPAD this missile could be and generate counter measures of flares in a squence that has the highest probability to fool the missile. Obviously that means regardless how well AAR-47 MAWS are they will need adjustment to achieve same cooperation between Counter Measure Control Unit and MAWS information.

perhaps it was simply not offered to the Iraqis since its considered "secure"?

Similarly Iraqis are still buying more and more new build Mi17s ... but all come without MAWS and ATK fit them with AAR47s when they arrive in Iraq. So it seems that the russian system is either not offered to the Iraqis or is much more expensive?

Werewolf wrote:

sheytanelkebir wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Well the MAK-IR L-136 MAWS were designed specifically to operate with the L-150-01 Computing Module of Threat Warning and the MAK-IR was designed to be as accurate as possible to distinguish the UV spectrum of incoming missiles according to their plume and give those information of what kind of possible SAM/MANPAD this missile could be and generate counter measures of flares in a squence that has the highest probability to fool the missile. Obviously that means regardless how well AAR-47 MAWS are they will need adjustment to achieve same cooperation between Counter Measure Control Unit and MAWS information.

perhaps it was simply not offered to the Iraqis since its considered "secure"?

Similarly Iraqis are still buying more and more new build Mi17s ... but all come without MAWS and ATK fit them with AAR47s when they arrive in Iraq. So it seems that the russian system is either not offered to the Iraqis or is much more expensive?

That is unlikely since President-S (fully TWICMS which have MAK-IR MAWS) is offered for export and not only domestic use. Maybe there is a big price difference or they already bought enough AAR-47s as spare parts or having contracts for them and similiar equipment.

mack8 wrote:Sheytan, how about the Su-25s status? It seems IMF folks talk about as many as 20 being on order/delivered so far?

Mike E wrote:

mack8 wrote:Sheytan, how about the Su-25s status? It seems IMF folks talk about as many as 20 being on order/delivered so far?

That sounds about right... I've heard they've been put to good use!

At the same time, he stressed that new purchases of Russian weapons will be carried out "in the first place, to fight terrorism." "In particular we are talking about lots of new military fighters. Anyway plans to purchase Iraq the most modern military equipment from Russia ... Received this summer weapons from Russia and support your country has been very helpful to the Iraqi government in the fight against the so-called" Islamic State " . This was very useful and timely "- said Zebari.

Viktor wrote:Nice  

Zebari: Iraq will continue to purchase weapons from the Russian Federation, including fighters

At the same time, he stressed that new purchases of Russian weapons will be carried out "in the first place, to fight terrorism." "In particular we are talking about lots of new military fighters. Anyway plans to purchase Iraq the most modern military equipment from Russia ... Received this summer weapons from Russia and support your country has been very helpful to the Iraqi government in the fight against the so-called" Islamic State " . This was very useful and timely "- said Zebari.