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    Post  Dima on Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:49 pm



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    Post  Dima on Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:20 pm

    DPR Korea's intercontinental ballistic missile Hwasong-13 (KN-08) is evolving

    During 15 April 2012 military parade


    During 10th October 2015 military parade





    North Korea unveils new version of KN-08 ICBM
    Richard D Fisher Jr, Washington, DC

    North Korea revealed a modified version of its liquid-fuelled KN-08 intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) with an apparent smaller nuclear warhead in its 10 October parade celebrating the 70th anniversary of the Workers' Party of Korea.

    First seen in North Korea's 15 April 2012 military parade, the earlier version of what the United States calls the KN-08 ICBM, and what North Korea calls the Hwasong-13, has three powered stages though its third stage has a smaller diameter than the first two. It also featured a prominent conical warhead, although at the time it was assessed that this missile was a mock-up.

    A key difference for the modified KN-08 missile is that it is slightly shorter, the difference is due to changes in both the third stage and warhead section.

    Available early imagery does not yet enable an assessment of the missile's stages, such as whether the third stage is now larger or smaller than on the earlier missile version. Exact sizing of the stages and how many stages there are is unclear, although some analysts have pointed to the R-27 Zyb submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) - which is the basis for North Korea's BM-25 Musudan-1, or the R-29 Vysota SLBM. A wider/larger third stage would increase the KN-08's range well beyond previous estimates of 5,500-6,000 km.

    The modified KN-08 features a new smaller and blunter warhead shape that could confirm US intelligence assessments and North Korean claims of success in miniaturising its nuclear warheads. On 10 October, the North Korean parade announcer stated, "Our powerful tactical rockets loaded with diversified and miniaturised nuclear warheads are on the move."

    A blunter shape is likely also influenced by the quality of the ablative materials available to Pyongyang. Lower quality ablative materials may not be able to withstand higher re-entry temperatures, requiring a slower and blunter shape to better assure warhead integrity through re-entry.

    Also, below link..
    http://index.heritage.org/military/2016/assessments/threats/asia/
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    Post  Dima on Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:30 pm




    Analysis: Redesigned KN-08 missile unveiled in military parade
    New features including reduced length, new nosecone/shroud, similarities to Russian Volna
    Scott LaFoy
    October 16th, 2015

    The KN-08 mobile missile system on display at the October 10, 2015, parade in North Korea is significantly different from the KN-08 missiles displayed at all previous parades. The changes visible in the KN-08 design include a shortened missile, either a new nosecone or a shroud, and indicate a possible basis on the Russian R-29R missile. It is apparent that North Korea is continually researching and upgrading its ballistic missile designs.

    Assuming these differences are real and not simply models or deceptive false alterations, the KN-08, appears significantly shorter, indicating the elimination or redesign of later stages. Additionally, it has a radically different nosecone that could be indicative of guidance systems based on Russian technology. In the best case scenario, it is either a cosmetic cover for the purposes of the parade or a shroud for protecting the reentry vehicle (RV, colloquially referred to as the warhead) during ascent. The data cabling along the side has also changed, though this is a much more minor data point than the previous two.

    The differences between early and current KN-08s are so great that, if both sets have been functional missiles, they should and will likely receive a different common designation from the previous KN-08 (such as KN-08 Mod 2 for example). Alternatively, since the KN-08 is not fully operational, it may be that the previous versions end up waved off as prototypes and KN-08 becomes the standard for the final product.
    read full in the above link
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    Post  Dima on Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:39 pm

    Thought of posting couple of videos related to earlier rocket launches

    DPR Korea launched its new Unha-3 rocket carrying Kwangmyŏngsŏng-3 satellite on 13 April 2012 from Sohae Satellite Launch centre which failed in its mission after a flight of 90 seconds. The western experts and media were delighted and predicted the next "missile test" launch to happen only two years later, but contrary to their belief, 8 months later on 12 December 2012, the improved and slightly modified/longer Unah-3 rocket was launched successfully placing an earth observation satellite in the orbit.
    Ignore the commentary and enjoy the footage.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4mbfjMAAIU


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RUgfr9736I


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aac7zYMnztg
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    Post  Dima on Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:00 pm

    News reports on the earlier SLBM launch


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqdLX6GFCl8


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5VoLrXdr5g

    Russia might be bound by treaties and other limitation to transfer long-range weaponry to its allies as deterrence, but North Korea presents an alternative source for these allies for such strategic weapons. All we need to see is Korea successfully developing these and having a good production with proper quality control.
    I won't mind a dozen or two Long-range Kwasong-13 (KN-08) intercontinental ballistic missile in the armory of Syria. Very Happy
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:45 pm

    North Korea is already said to be responsible for Iran's ballistic missile technology. Apparently Iran's missiles are possibly based around the Taepodong or the Nodong missiles.
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    Post  max steel on Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:20 pm

    North Korea’s Ballistic Missile Submarine Program: Full Steam Ahead





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    Post  Dima on Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:51 pm

    Good news on N-test and the missile launches. Let the experts write it off as a failure and propagate it, it should not be bothered. What the Koreans needs to do is test, validate and improve their N-designs (even if its not a H) and the SLBM ejection and missile stages. The long rangers with a heavy 'payload' are the only guarantee against murican aggression who have been threatening a non-nuclear DPRK with their nuclear weapons based in the ROK for past many decades. Now when DPRK have made strides in their n-weapons programme and probably testing out their designs, the muricans and their lapdogs are crying like a crybaby.

    Its history repeating itself. Soviet Russia went Nuclear coz of the murican nuclear threat, India too went nuclear (though with a peaceful middle finger) due to the murican threat it encountered in the 1971 war. DPRK's nuclear status is unfolding due to the same murican devil that existed along its borders for the past six decades. It would repeat itself in the case of Iran, if the nutjob continue to wag the murican dog by tail.

    DPRK tested fired another SLBM on Dec 21
    https://www.rt.com/news/328340-pyongyang-submarine-ballistic-missile/

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    Post  Dima on Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:01 pm

    The new video of last months SLBM launch is slightly confusing....
    The missile raises too high out of the water straight up and the engine fires, where as the videos of other SLBMs and DPRKs own earlier successful SLBM ejection shows the motor ignition the moment the body is completely out of the water.

    This recent video closely resembles the underwater launch of the India's Shaurya missiles which raises to similar height after ejection before the engine starts.

    Is that by any chance a new submarine based cruise missile or like Shaurya, a lighter submarine based ballistic missile?

    I have had a long time wish to see a combo of Amur-1650 with 8-cell silos (slightly larger dia) with Iskander based underwater ballistic missile. Very Happy
    Russia will be good to have such a combo in the Baltic, Black sea among other areas of interest. Same for Syria, Iran, DPR Korea etc.
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    Re: DPR Korea Space and Missiles

    Post  Dima on Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:11 pm

    Btw, here is the twitter, but no mention of the n-test or the launch. Probably I missed it? Got it from Syrian twitter. Not sure if its a real one.
    https://twitter.com/DPRK_News

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    This seems like the offcial twitter related to DPRK, not sure still.....but the one above I posted is clearly not and probably made by a murican dickhead
    https://twitter.com/uriminzok_engl


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    Post  max steel on Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:21 pm

    Dima wrote:Good news on N-test and the missile launches. Let the experts write it off as a failure and propagate it, it should not be bothered. What the Koreans needs to do is test, validate and improve their N-designs (even if its not a H) and the SLBM ejection and missile stages. The long rangers with a heavy 'payload' are the only guarantee against murican aggression who have been threatening a non-nuclear DPRK with their nuclear weapons based in the ROK for past many decades. Now when DPRK have made strides in their n-weapons programme and probably testing out their designs, the muricans and their lapdogs are crying like a crybaby.


    DPRK tested fired another SLBM




    A liquid fuelled SLBM, how safe and practical are these?
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    Re: DPR Korea Space and Missiles

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:11 am

    Very practical... liquid propellents are generally more powerful than solid fuels.

    And as safe as any highly explosive liquid can be within a confined space...


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    Post  max steel on Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:08 pm

    North Korea to Launch Satellite-Containing Rocket Earlier by one day

    On Saturday, Pyongyang informed the International Maritime Organization (IMO) and the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) of planning the launch to take place between February 7 and 25, the NHK public broadcaster reported, quoting government sources.

    On Tuesday, the IMO said it had received North Korea’s notification of plans to launch a satellite between February 8 and 25.The DPRK's satellite launch has sparked tension in the region, with South Korean Defense Ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok previously said that Seoul would consider any of Pyongyang’s satellite launches as a ballistic missile test.

    Tensions over North Korea's nuclear and ballistic missile programs escalated after Pyongyang said on January 6 that it had successfully carried out a hydrogen bomb test, triggering condemnation from the international community.


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    Post  Militarov on Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:05 pm

    max steel wrote:
    Dima wrote:Good news on N-test and the missile launches. Let the experts write it off as a failure and propagate it, it should not be bothered. What the Koreans needs to do is test, validate and improve their N-designs (even if its not a H) and the SLBM ejection and missile stages. The long rangers with a heavy 'payload' are the only guarantee against murican aggression who have been threatening a non-nuclear DPRK with their nuclear weapons based in the ROK for past many decades. Now when DPRK have made strides in their n-weapons programme and probably testing out their designs, the muricans and their lapdogs are crying like a crybaby.


    DPRK tested fired another SLBM




    A liquid fuelled SLBM, how safe and practical are these?

    Not very practical, and not very safe but then again, what kind of rocket fuel or explosive is safe.

    All solid fuel ICBMs have 3 stages of solid fuel booster and "cruise" engines and then small maneuverable liquid-fuelled engines used to fine tune the trajectory of the MIRV. But generally liquid fueled missiles and ICBMs in general are less and less used, only when technical solutions require it. In army when we were clearing one liquid fuel storage from SA2 fuel we had to walk whole day in protective suits and masks, gloves...and leave storage every 15 minutes of work due to possible toxic fumes.

    "Solid rockets have a lower specific impulse than liquid fueled rockets. It is also difficult to build a large mass ratio solid rocket because almost the entire rocket is the combustion chamber, and must be built to withstand the high combustion pressures. If a solid rocket is used to go all the way to orbit, the payload fraction is very small. A drawback to solid rockets is that they cannot be throttled in real time, although a predesigned thrust schedule can be created by altering the interior propellant geometry.casting very large single-grain rocket motors has proved to be a very tricky business. Defects in the grain can cause explosions during the burn, and these explosions can increase the burning propellant surface enough to cause a runaway pressure increase, until the case fails."

    "Liquid fueled rockets have better specific impulse than solid rockets and are capable of being throttled, shut down, and restarted. Only the combustion chamber of a liquid fueled rocket needs to withstand combustion pressures and temperatures and they can be regeneratively cooled by the liquid propellant. On vehicles employing turbopumps, the propellant tanks are at very much less pressure than the combustion chamber, and thus can be built far more lightly than a solid propellant rocket case, permitting a higher mass ratio. For these reasons, most orbital launch vehicles use liquid propellants.

    The primary performance advantage of liquid propellants is due to the oxidizer. Several practical liquid oxidizers (liquid oxygen, nitrogen tetroxide, and hydrogen peroxide) are available which have much better specific impulse than the ammonium perchlorate used in most solid rockets, when paired with comparable fuels. These facts have led to the use of hybrid propellants: a storable oxidizer used with a solid fuel, which retain most virtues of both liquids (high ISP) and solids (simplicity).

    The main difficulties with liquid propellants are also with the oxidizers. These are generally at least moderately difficult to store and handle due to their high reactivity with common materials, may have extreme toxicity (nitric acids), moderately cryogenic (liquid oxygen), or both (liquid fluorine, FLOX- a fluorine/LOX mix). Several exotic oxidizers have been proposed: liquid ozone (O3), ClF3, and ClF5, all of which are unstable, energetic, and toxic.

    Liquid fuelled rockets also require potentially troublesome valves and seals and thermally stressed combustion chambers, which increase the cost of the rocket. Many employ specially designed turbopumps which raise the cost enormously due to difficult fluid flow patterns that exist within the casings."


    Basically liquid is less safe and preparation for use takes time, fuel is extremly toxic and in proximity contact with oxidisers which very often can lead to safety issues.
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    Post  Dima on Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:03 am

    N. Korea claims successful ‘observation satellite’ launch aboard ‘long-range missile’
    https://www.rt.com/news/331613-north-korea-rocket-launch/

    North Korea has claimed that it successfully deployed an earth observation satellite into orbit, after its “long-range missile test” on Sunday was widely criticized as provocative and in breach of UN resolutions.

    The rocket took off at around 12:30am GMT, according to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, which was tracking the flight path of the ballistic target. The US Strategic Command also detected and tracked the missile launch into space, Reuters reports.

    “NORAD determined that at no time was the missile a threat to North America,” the Strategic Command's statement said.

    Several hours after the launch, the North announced that it had succeeded in placing a“newly developed earth observation satellite Kwangmyongsong-4” into orbit, KCNA reports.

    The satellite was launched aboard a “carrier rocket Kwangmyongsong” that blasted off from the Sohae Space Center in Cholsan County. The agency said that the satellite entered its preset orbit nine minutes and 46 seconds after the lift-off at 9:09am Korean time.

    The North says that it is “legitimately exercising the right to use space for independent and peaceful purposes” and plans to send more satellites into space.
    Japanese have earlier launched solid fueled rocket which is closer to a ballistic missile and in reality could even be a test for validating their ballistic missile capablity, and even after this the Japanese shameless call the liquid fueled and proper satellite launch of N Korea as a ballistic missiles test.


    Btw, I hate this regular crap by Russian english language media RT/Suptnik/Novosti quoting western media......doesnt these guys have any Russian Govt sources and their own reporters or sources??........If they are forced to report/quote even news and events which can be had and verified from Russian Govt agencies, better close the shop and let the originals take over.
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    Re: DPR Korea Space and Missiles

    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:21 am

    Not very practical, and not very safe but then again, what kind of rocket fuel or explosive is safe.

    All first generation ballistic missiles were liquid propelled an many sub launched missiles still are liquid propellent.

    There are a few solid propellent missiles, but at the end of the day the Soviets only had one serious accident with a SLBM that was dropped on the sub as it was being loaded and that was a solid fueled rocket.

    The Akula class SSBN suffered serious external burns and got the nickname Red October AFAIK.

    At the end of the day a liquid propellent rocket is dangerous because to work of course it needs highly explosive fuel and an oxidiser, but then solid fuel needs the same.

    Most things that will start a liquid fuelled rocket burning will also start a solid fuelled rocket burning.

    In fact a storable liquid fuel (as opposed to one with propellent so corrosive it can only be loaded just before launch) can be handled empty with nitrogen pressurising it. When it is loaded on the sub it can be fuelled in place... actually much safer and easier to handle a 3-5 ton hollow metal tube into a sub and then fuel it up with however many tons of propellent, than to manhandle a heavy solid fuelled rocket whose dangerous propellent cannot be removed for safety.


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    Post  Dima on Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:36 pm

    Anatoly Zak ‏@RussianSpaceWeb  16 hours ago
    Japan: North Korea conducted launch of a rocket with a satellite. Orbital launch attempts around the world in 2016:
    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/2016.html

    Anatoly Zak ‏@RussianSpaceWeb  16 hours ago
    10-minute difference between the reported North-Korean space launch and Soyuz-2-1b with #GLONASS satellite.

    Anatoly Zak ‏@RussianSpaceWeb 15h
    Powers with full space capabilities (rocket/sat/launch site): Russia, US, Europe, China, Japan, India, Israel, S.Korea, Iran... now N.Korea?


    Its time for Russia and others to have a more open policy towards DPR Korea and help them develop their commercial/civilian projects. DPRK is progressing slowly but surely in their space and rocket development and here I see a commercial opening for low cost launches for developing countries. Russia and other nations need to support initially so that DPR Korea can create a self sustaining commercial process.
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    Post  Militarov on Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:09 am

    "North Korea is committed to striking the United States with a nuclear-armed missile, but it can’t do so without outside help, due to shortfalls in its own technology, the Pentagon said Friday. The report to Congress was written prior to a fourth nuclear test conducted by Pyongyang last month and the launch of a satellite-bearing rocket earlier this month.

    North Korea’s KN-08 intercontinental ballistic missile “likely would be capable” of striking the continental US if successfully designed and developed, said the report. However, North Korea has not been able to conduct flight tests on the highly complex system, and its “current reliability as a weapon system would be low.” “The pace of its progress will also depend, in part, on how much technology and other aid it can acquire from other countries,” it said. Pyongyang is testing a separate type of technology to strike the US with intercontinental ballistic missiles launched into space but lacks a re-entry vehicle, the report added.

    A test to launch a ballistic missile from a submarine in November ended in failure. The report, which is required by law, made note of North Korea’s special operations forces, saying they are “among the most highly trained, well-equipped, best-fed and highly motivated forces” in the country’s military. Strategic SOF units “appear designed for rapid offensive operations, internal defense against foreign attacks or limited attacks against vulnerable targets in the ROK (South Korea) as part of a coercive diplomacy effort,” it added. “They operate in specialized units, including reconnaissance, airborne and seaborne insertion, commandos, and other specialties.”

    The international community has for years tried to rein in North Korea’s nuclear ambitions, but the country shocked the world last month when it announced it had successfully tested a hydrogen bomb. The US Congress earlier adopted tougher sanctions against Kim Jong-Un’s regime, following unilateral measures from Japan days earlier. The US also is leading a push for tougher UN sanctions against Pyongyang. And South Korean firms have abandoned a joint industrial park that helped fund Pyongyang’s nuclear weapons program. The Pentagon report also said North Korea is continuing to sell weapons to other countries, circumventing sanctions by using false documents and intermediaries. “North Korea uses a worldwide network to facilitate arm sales activities and maintains a core, but dwindling group of recipient countries including Iran, Syria and Burma,” it said."


    Source: http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2016/02/14/pentagon-north-korea-lacks-technology-anti-us-nuclear-strike/80380298/
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    Post  max steel on Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:59 pm

    N. Korea launches new ICBM unit


    North Korea has formed a new military unit to deploy a road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), multiple South Korean government sources said Sunday.

    They said the KN-08 Brigade, designated after the ICBM of the same name, is a subordinate unit of the Strategic Forces, which oversees all missile units in the North. Sources said it indicates North Korea has inched closer to fielding the road-mobile ICBM.

    Last week, U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said North Korea "has already taken initial steps toward fielding this (KN-08) system, although the system has not been flight-tested." Clapper also said Pyongyang was committed to developing "a long-range, nuclear-armed missile that is capable of posing a direct threat" to the United States.

    The KN-08 was first unveiled in a military parade in April 2012 celebrating the 100th birthday of Kim Il-sung, the North's founder.Strategic Forces now commands four strategic and tactical missile units. With North Korea apparently bolstering its missile programs, the commander of the Strategic Forces, Kim Rak-kyom, was promoted to the rank of four-star general late last year.

    The KN-08 is believed to have a range of at least 10,000 kilometers. In its annual report to Congress, the Pentagon said Friday if the KN-08 is properly designed and developed, it could be difficult to track because of its mobility.

    Elsewhere in its arsenal, North Korea is said to have produced more than 300 Nodong Missiles with a range of 1,200 kilometers, and about 30 Musudan missiles that can travel some 3,000 km. They are said to be capable of reaching the U.S. military bases in Japan and in the Pacific island of Guam, a U.S. territory.
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    Post  Dima on Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:47 pm

    Aldin Abazović ‏@Ald_Aba Mar 9
    #NorthKorean miniaturized warhead design seems to fit on the KN-08 (Hwasong-13) road mobile ICBM.

    #NorthKorea claim this is latest #nuclear miniaturized warhead..


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    Post  Dima on Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:51 pm

    The Koreans have been showing good progress in the development of their long rangers, maybe some fund and field testing from Iran could help sort out any issues.
    Syria needs few dozen of these long-rangers to help the two 3rd rate $hitoles from the west and their big daddy itching for a fight to chill out.



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    Post  Dima on Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:17 pm

    Joseph Dempsey ‏@JosephHDempsey  5 hours ago
    #NorthKorea continues recent #nuclear capability narrative with simulation of ballistic missile atmospheric reentry




    Joseph Dempsey ‏@JosephHDempsey Mar 11
    #NorthKorea releases images of Thursdays two Scud variant ballistic missile launches watched by #KimJongUn



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