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    Su-30 for Russian Air Force

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    Post  medo Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:43 pm

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201501271253-h7fh.htm

    On the video is a new Su-30M2 b/n 45 in Far East regiment.
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    Post  TheArmenian Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:42 am

    Great video

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    Post  nemrod Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:46 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Great video
    Thx TheArmenian, if you have more videos like that, please share.

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    Post  ahmedfire Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:46 pm

    The highly versatile fighter Su-30SM maneuverability is a device of the family of Su-30MK, adapted to the requirements of the Russian Air Force. The plane has new radar electronically scanned antenna (AESA) and radio link systems and identification. His arms and other systems have also been modified from the original version. The Irkut group must produce 30 Su-30SM multirole fighter by 2015, according to a contract signed with the Russian Ministry of Defence in March 2012.
    http://translate.google.com.eg/translate?hl=ar&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.sputniknews.com%2Fdefense%2F20121205%2F196831637.html
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    Post  medo Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:48 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:
    The highly versatile fighter Su-30SM maneuverability is a device of the family of Su-30MK, adapted to the requirements of the Russian Air Force. The plane has new radar electronically scanned antenna (AESA) and radio link systems and identification. His arms and other systems have also been modified from the original version. The Irkut group must produce 30 Su-30SM multirole fighter by 2015, according to a contract signed with the Russian Ministry of Defence in March 2012.
    http://translate.google.com.eg/translate?hl=ar&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.sputniknews.com%2Fdefense%2F20121205%2F196831637.html

    Su-30SM have Bars-R radar, developed from Bars-M radar, which is in export Su-30MKI/MKM. Bars-M is PESA radar. Bars-R is russianized Bars-M radar, what mean it is modified for russian needs and foreign components replaced with domestic ones. Could be, that it is a kind of hybrid radar, something between PESA and AESA like Irbis is, but for sure not full AESA radar. We could assume, that domestic Bars-R is more capable than export Bars-M radar.
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    Post  medo Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:02 pm

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    New Su-30SM with b/n 06.
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    Post  ahmedfire Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:55 pm

    medo wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:
    The highly versatile fighter Su-30SM maneuverability is a device of the family of Su-30MK, adapted to the requirements of the Russian Air Force. The plane has new radar electronically scanned antenna (AESA) and radio link systems and identification. His arms and other systems have also been modified from the original version. The Irkut group must produce 30 Su-30SM multirole fighter by 2015, according to a contract signed with the Russian Ministry of Defence in March 2012.
    http://translate.google.com.eg/translate?hl=ar&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.sputniknews.com%2Fdefense%2F20121205%2F196831637.html

    Su-30SM have Bars-R radar, developed from Bars-M radar, which is in export Su-30MKI/MKM. Bars-M is PESA radar. Bars-R is russianized Bars-M radar, what mean it is modified for russian needs and foreign components replaced with domestic ones. Could be, that it is a kind of hybrid radar, something between PESA and AESA like Irbis is, but for sure not full AESA radar. We could assume, that domestic Bars-R is more capable than export Bars-M radar.
    Thanx,but it's still could be fitted with zhuk-ae radar , AFAIK India needs AESA on SU-30MKI development.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:56 am

    ahmedfire wrote:
    Thanx,but it's still could be fitted with zhuk-ae radar , AFAIK India needs AESA on SU-30MKI development.

    sure. But fitting Zhuk-AE..even if it's AESA is a retrograde. Smaller Zhuk AE antenna cannot beat larger Bars antenna, Zhuk ASE if it's ever developed will be more suitable or that NIIP Thikomirov's AESA.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:15 am

    There will be a time when AESA modules are perfected in Russia and are cheap to make and the error rate is a small fraction of a percent, and it will be cheap to put them in aircraft in large numbers and then they can mature and become lots of things they are not now.

    That day is not here and while it is not here a mature PESA makes more sense for the moment.

    The AESA radars going into MiG-35s will likely be the most powerful and capable radars you can fit in a MiG-29 sized aircraft, but currently with bigger noses like the Su-27/35 and MiG-31 there are rather more powerful radars in operation that are cheaper and more reliable.

    I am sure the multi array model going into the PAKFA will be impressive and powerful but it wont be cheap.

    Russian AESA arrays are going to be mounted on everything from attack helos, fighter and trainer aircraft, tanks and armoured vehicles, SAM systems and air defence systems, recon vehicles and of course on ships.

    They are going to need tens of millions of transmit receive modules... they are going to be very busy producing those in enormous numbers for the next decade or two at least... the numbers they will be producing will lower the price and improve performance and quality.

    They will try all sorts of materials and methods of fabrication... at one stage they will be printing them like CDs for a few cents each and that is when it makes sense to invest in putting AESAs in all your aircraft and working up their performance to ridiculous levels...
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    Post  medo Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:07 am

    Su-30 and Su-35 could take AESA radar from PAK-FA, which is already in testing now and is developed from Irbis. Other AESA radar is for MiG-35, but it is smaller and less powerful. Full PAK-FA radar could be installed in Su-35, while on Su-30 it have to be downgraded with lower peak power (15kW for Bars-M compared with 20kW for Irbis).
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    Post  medo Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:28 am

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    From Irkut.
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    Post  medo Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:11 pm

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    Post  medo Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:29 pm

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    Three new Su-30SM are now flying in Irkut with factory numbers 1118, 1120 and 1201.
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    Post  mack8 Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:16 pm

    Someone on russianplanes.net commented to the effect that one or more of those Su-30SMs might be for Kazakhstan.
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    Post  George1 Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:00 pm

    Attack aircraft exercise launched in Siberia

    Сrews of Su-30SM fighter jets and Su-25 attack aircraft will drill joint actions to penetrate the simulated enemy’s air defense system and destroy radar sites and stations located at different levels

    MOSCOW, March 16. /TASS/. Air Force manoeuvres to drill penetration of imaginary enemy’s air defense by fighter attack aircraft have been launched in Siberia, the press service of the Eastern Military District reported on Monday.

    "The personnel of the air base of the Eastern Military District, stationed in the Trans-Baikal region, have started drills within the framework of large-scale Air Force and Air Defense manoeuvres at a specialised range in the Buryatia republic," the military district spokesman Colonel Alexander Gordeyev said.

    "During the flight tactical exercise crews of the Sukhoi Su-30SM fighter jets and pilots of Su-25 attack aircraft will drill joint actions to penetrate the simulated enemy’s air defense system and destroy radar sites and stations located at different levels," said Gordeyev.

    Large-scale manoeuvres of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Eastern Military District will be held during a month. They involve more than 2,000 troops, 300 units of equipment and more than 30 planes and helicopters.

    This is the seventh military aviation exercise in Russia since the beginning of the year. In January, transport aircraft manoeuvres were conducted in the Tver region (central Russia) and in the Krasnodar region (Southern Federal District) — exercises of attack helicopters and transport-assault helicopters. In March, the MiG-31 interceptors practiced countering massive missile and air strikes in the Barents Sea. Also in early March, a strategic aviation exercise was conducted: more than 10 Russian strategic bombers Tupolev Tu-95MS and Tu-160 launched air strikes at targets at ranges in the Saratov region.

    Military-tactical aviation manoeuvres were conducted over the Barents Sea in March. They involved more than 40 crews of the MiG-31 interceptors and Sukhoi Su-24M frontline bombers. They drilled attacks to destroy missiles and aircraft of the imaginary enemy, making 118 sorties. Also in March, flight and tactical exercises with live firing were conducted in the south of Russia took (Stavropol Territory) with the participation of up to 100 troops, about 20 modernised Su-25SM strike fighters and about 50 units of special military equipment.
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    Post  medo Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:35 pm

    http://www.aex.ru/news/2015/3/18/131729/

    18 марта, AEX.RU – Корпорация «Иркут» модернизирует самолеты ВВС России Су-30СМ для того, чтобы они могли нести крылатые сверхзвуковые ракеты. Об этом сообщает Lenta.ru со ссылкой на руководителя предприятия Олега Демченко.

    По его словам, сейчас в Минобороны разрабатывается план соответствующих мероприятий, изыскиваются источники финансирования.

    Ранее сообщалось, что корпорация «Иркут» доработала индийский истребитель Су-30МКИ под применение сверхзвуковой крылатой ракеты BrahMos-A, создававшейся совместно Россией и Индией на основе экспортной российской ракеты «Яхонт». По такой схеме будут модернизированы 42 самолета индийских ВВС.

    Irkut is modernizing Russian Su-30SM, that they will carry Onyx/Yakhont anti-ship missiles, based on Indian modernization to carry Brahmos missiles.

    I would more like to see integration of Club missiles on Su-30/34/35, specially land attack cruse missiles with 1500+km range, which will give them good stand off capability.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:54 pm

    medo wrote:http://www.aex.ru/news/2015/3/18/131729/

    18 марта, AEX.RU –  Корпорация «Иркут» модернизирует самолеты ВВС России Су-30СМ для того, чтобы они могли нести крылатые сверхзвуковые ракеты. Об этом сообщает Lenta.ru со ссылкой на руководителя предприятия Олега Демченко.

    По его словам, сейчас в Минобороны разрабатывается план соответствующих мероприятий, изыскиваются источники финансирования.

    Ранее сообщалось, что корпорация «Иркут» доработала индийский истребитель Су-30МКИ под применение сверхзвуковой крылатой ракеты BrahMos-A, создававшейся совместно Россией и Индией на основе экспортной российской ракеты «Яхонт». По такой схеме будут модернизированы 42 самолета индийских ВВС.

    Irkut is modernizing Russian Su-30SM, that they will carry Onyx/Yakhont anti-ship missiles, based on Indian modernization to carry Brahmos missiles.

    I would more like to see integration of Club missiles on Su-30/34/35, specially land attack cruse missiles with 1500+km range, which will give them good stand off capability.

    The land attack 3M-54 missile has a 2,600km range.
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    Post  medo Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:43 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    medo wrote:http://www.aex.ru/news/2015/3/18/131729/

    18 марта, AEX.RU –  Корпорация «Иркут» модернизирует самолеты ВВС России Су-30СМ для того, чтобы они могли нести крылатые сверхзвуковые ракеты. Об этом сообщает Lenta.ru со ссылкой на руководителя предприятия Олега Демченко.

    По его словам, сейчас в Минобороны разрабатывается план соответствующих мероприятий, изыскиваются источники финансирования.

    Ранее сообщалось, что корпорация «Иркут» доработала индийский истребитель Су-30МКИ под применение сверхзвуковой крылатой ракеты BrahMos-A, создававшейся совместно Россией и Индией на основе экспортной российской ракеты «Яхонт». По такой схеме будут модернизированы 42 самолета индийских ВВС.

    Irkut is modernizing Russian Su-30SM, that they will carry Onyx/Yakhont anti-ship missiles, based on Indian modernization to carry Brahmos missiles.

    I would more like to see integration of Club missiles on Su-30/34/35, specially land attack cruse missiles with 1500+km range, which will give them good stand off capability.

    The land attack 3M-54 missile has a 2,600km range.

    Good, but let us take conservative range. Anti-ship Club missile have a range around 600 km. With that range Su-30SM could made an attack on ships outside the range of the most capable naval AD missiles. Such range could make a problem also to carrier based fighters, as they will have to patrol very far away to intercept it before missile launch and even in that case Su-30SM will be very hard nut as it is one of the best fighters. Russian NAVY will receive with Su-30SM and Yakhont/Club combination very potent anti-ship complex.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:17 pm

    medo wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    medo wrote:http://www.aex.ru/news/2015/3/18/131729/

    18 марта, AEX.RU –  Корпорация «Иркут» модернизирует самолеты ВВС России Су-30СМ для того, чтобы они могли нести крылатые сверхзвуковые ракеты. Об этом сообщает Lenta.ru со ссылкой на руководителя предприятия Олега Демченко.

    По его словам, сейчас в Минобороны разрабатывается план соответствующих мероприятий, изыскиваются источники финансирования.

    Ранее сообщалось, что корпорация «Иркут» доработала индийский истребитель Су-30МКИ под применение сверхзвуковой крылатой ракеты BrahMos-A, создававшейся совместно Россией и Индией на основе экспортной российской ракеты «Яхонт». По такой схеме будут модернизированы 42 самолета индийских ВВС.

    Irkut is modernizing Russian Su-30SM, that they will carry Onyx/Yakhont anti-ship missiles, based on Indian modernization to carry Brahmos missiles.

    I would more like to see integration of Club missiles on Su-30/34/35, specially land attack cruse missiles with 1500+km range, which will give them good stand off capability.

    The land attack 3M-54 missile has a 2,600km range.

    Good, but let us take conservative range. Anti-ship Club missile have a range around 600 km. With that range Su-30SM could made an attack on ships outside the range of the most capable naval AD missiles. Such range could make a problem also to carrier based fighters, as they will have to patrol very far away to intercept it before missile launch and even in that case Su-30SM will be very hard nut as it is one of the best fighters. Russian NAVY will receive with Su-30SM and Yakhont/Club combination very potent anti-ship complex.

    It isn't the problem of launching the missile, but the tracking of the target. These aircrafts can launch such missiles no problem, but if the missile has nothing guiding it to the target, then it becomes a problem, even if it "picks up" the target with its own guidance system. Reason why they are using Onyx/Yakhont is that it works in conjunction with the radar of the aircraft on detecting/tracking the target. If the ship sits still, then they could use such other missiles, but ships don't usually.
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    Post  George1 Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:49 am

    Russia’s Su-30 fighters upgraded to carry supersonic cruise missiles

    India has started flight tests of the first Su-30MKI multirole fighter modified by Russian and Indian specialists to carry BrahMos-A supersonic cruise missiles

    LANGKAWI /Malaysia/, March 19. /TASS/. Russian Sukhoi Su-30 (Flanker-C) multirole fighter jets are getting an upgrade to carry supersonic cruise missiles. The planes will be modernized both for the Russian Air Force and the Indian military aviation.

    India has started flight tests of the first Su-30MKI multirole fighter modified by Russian and Indian specialists to carry BrahMos-A supersonic cruise missiles, BrahMos Aerospace Russian-Indian Joint Venture Head Sudhir Mishra told TASS on Thursday at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition (LIMA’2015) in Malaysia.

    The work on the second Su-30MKI fighter jet is continuing and the aircraft "will be ready this year," Mishra said.

    The BrahMos Aerospace head said the flight tests for the Su-30 fighter jets would be over this year.

    India has allocated $1.1 billion to purchase 200 BrahMos-A missiles to be installed on Indian Air Force Su-30MKI fighter jets. A total of 42 Su-30 fighters will be modernized at the production facilities of India’s HAL corporation to carry supersonic cruise missiles.

    In Russia, military aircraft, including Su-30SM fighters, will be modernized at the Irkut aircraft corporation to carry supersonic cruise missiles, Irkut CEO Oleg Demchenko said at the LIMA’2015 air show.

    When asked whether the Russian Air Force would follow India’s example to modernize Su-30SM to be fitted out with supersonic cruise missiles, the Irkut head said the Russian Defense Ministry was working out a relevant plan of measures and looking for financing sources to carry out modernization.
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    Post  medo Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:03 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    medo wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    medo wrote:http://www.aex.ru/news/2015/3/18/131729/

    18 марта, AEX.RU –  Корпорация «Иркут» модернизирует самолеты ВВС России Су-30СМ для того, чтобы они могли нести крылатые сверхзвуковые ракеты. Об этом сообщает Lenta.ru со ссылкой на руководителя предприятия Олега Демченко.

    По его словам, сейчас в Минобороны разрабатывается план соответствующих мероприятий, изыскиваются источники финансирования.

    Ранее сообщалось, что корпорация «Иркут» доработала индийский истребитель Су-30МКИ под применение сверхзвуковой крылатой ракеты BrahMos-A, создававшейся совместно Россией и Индией на основе экспортной российской ракеты «Яхонт». По такой схеме будут модернизированы 42 самолета индийских ВВС.

    Irkut is modernizing Russian Su-30SM, that they will carry Onyx/Yakhont anti-ship missiles, based on Indian modernization to carry Brahmos missiles.

    I would more like to see integration of Club missiles on Su-30/34/35, specially land attack cruse missiles with 1500+km range, which will give them good stand off capability.

    The land attack 3M-54 missile has a 2,600km range.

    Good, but let us take conservative range. Anti-ship Club missile have a range around 600 km. With that range Su-30SM could made an attack on ships outside the range of the most capable naval AD missiles. Such range could make a problem also to carrier based fighters, as they will have to patrol very far away to intercept it before missile launch and even in that case Su-30SM will be very hard nut as it is one of the best fighters. Russian NAVY will receive with Su-30SM and Yakhont/Club combination very potent anti-ship complex.

    It isn't the problem of launching the missile, but the tracking of the target.  These aircrafts can launch such missiles no problem, but if the missile has nothing guiding it to the target, then it becomes a problem, even if it "picks up" the target with its own guidance system.  Reason why they are using Onyx/Yakhont is that it works in conjunction with the radar of the aircraft on detecting/tracking the target.  If the ship sits still, then they could use such other missiles, but ships don't usually.

    I think even ship or sub based Club or similar long range anti-ship missiles are not depending on radar guidance from the ship as enemy ships will be far under radar horizon and radar will not see them. Su-30/34/35 have quite powerful radars to detect planes at long ranges, so they could detect ships at 600 km range, although there is still a problem of radar horizon even if those planes fly at 20.000 m altitude. So Club like missile will anyway need outside source of target information (satellites, OTH radars, etc) and delivered to them through data link and SATCOM. With given coordinates, missile will fly with inertial and satellite guidance and in given location lock it with its own radar. Ships are not as fast as planes, so they will not move that far away.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:49 am

    Club and Brahmos are generally fired towards a location where the target is expected to be where the missiles themselves will then turn on their own radars and start looking for the targets.

    When fired in volleys however the Brahmos... like the Onyx and Yakhont will then operate as a group with a designated leader that will climb and scan from altitude and then process what it has detected and drop down to fly with the other missiles. It will pass target data to the other missiles and allocate missiles to targets detected based on their size and identity... a carrier would get 4-6 missiles allocated to it, while a corvette would only have one missile directed at it... obviously depending on the number of missiles in the group and the number of targets detected.
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    Post  George1 Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:24 am

    Irkutsk aviation plant will supply 27x Su-30SM for the air force and NAVAL aviation as well as and 12x Yak-130 , told reporters on Tuesday the Deputy Defence Minister, Yuri Borisov.
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    Post  medo Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:32 pm

    Interesting, last year Irkut said, that they will deliver 30 Su-30SM to Russian MoD in 2015. Mistake or reduction in production numbers?
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    Post  Honesroc Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:04 pm

    medo wrote:Interesting, last year Irkut said, that they will deliver 30 Su-30SM to Russian MoD in 2015. Mistake or reduction in production numbers?

    Could be a consequence to the Ukrainian conflict. I think I read somewhere that the UAC previously relied on Ukrainian manufactures for hydraulic components of their fighter aircraft, though I suspect their are multiple factors involved here.

    At any rate, I've noticed that projected production numbers typically fluctuate over time.

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